Mickael Pietrus "Heavily Leaning" Towards Celtics
by Jeff Clark on Dec 23, 2011 12:55 PM EST
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But agent Bill McCandless said Friday morning that he thought there was a “15 percent” chance that a team would claim Pietrus off of waivers before he clears. But that team would have to pay Pietrus the $4.2 million on his original contract (that is pro-rated for the 66-game regular season this year; Pietrus originally was to make $5.3 million this season). Pietrus and the Suns worked out a buyout that will pay him $3 million of the $4.2 million once he clears waivers; after that he’d be free to negotiate a new contract with the team that signs him.
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Pietrus leaning 'heavily' towards signing with Celtics
Mickael Pietrus, recently released by the Phoenix Suns, is leaning "heavily" towards signing with the Boston Celtics, according to a league source.
Great news if true. He's a plus defender that can knock down shots.
In addition, Pietrus is a player who one league executive said would be "a great fit" for the Celtics.
"Without Jeff Green, they really don't have an athletic wing player," said an NBA scout. "Sasha (Pavlovic) has some athleticism, but he's not in the same class as Pietrus. And Marquis (Daniels), he's a solid player, but you wouldn't consider him as an athletic wing guy."
Works for me. Of course there's always a catch.
Pietrus was supposed to be traded to the Toronto Raptors, but a swollen knee resulted in the Raptors rescinding the trade. The knee appears to be not an issue at this time.
Hopefully it doesn't become a concern again, but it is another health issue to keep an eye one.
Still, for those of us that just were not sold on Mr. Pavlovic at the backup wing, this is good news if true.
Here's a brief scouting report from Chris Forsberg of ESPN Boston.
The 6-foot-6 Pietrus will turn 30 in October near the (expected) start of the 2011-12 season. His offensive game is pretty simple: Stand in the corner and shoot 3's. Pietrus has chucked better than four 3-pointers per game over the past three seasons and is a 35.9 percent shooter from beyond the arc for his career. That's not too shabby, but he ranked 80th in the NBA in 3-point percentage this past season. He doesn't shoot particularly well from the mid-range and the other half of his offense typically comes at the rim (though he doesn't get to the line with any sort of frequency). According to Synergy Sports stats from last season with Phoenix, 41.3 percent of his offense comes from spot-up shooting and he graded out as merely average, making only 39 of the 114 shots he took (34.2 percent) in that situation. Pietrus thrived off screens, which is intriguing for a Boston squad that generates much of Ray Allen's offense that way (though only 21 of Pietrus' total 250 shot attempts in Phoenix came off screens).
Also of note: It doesn't sound like Mickael left on very good terms in Phoenix
azcentral.com blogs - Coro's Orange Slices - PaulCoro - Suns buy out Mickael Pietrus
"Both Mickael and us realized it'd be beneficial for both parties to party ways," Suns President of Basketball Operations Lon Babby said. "There's an expression that, 'All's well that ends well.' In this case, all's well that ends."
"He was really our kind of player -- a big guy who can shoot," Suns Coach Alvin Gentry said. "In order for it to be a good fit, you've got to want to be here and I'm not sure he was every fully engaged about being here."
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Sounds great
but I heard he has a knee issue. If he can stay healthy, I think things are looking pretty good for us.
he just tweeted that he cleared waivers and sign with
“Celtics Family”
by kuekuatsheu on Dec 24, 2011 9:38 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
perspective
see, if you had just told me in July that we’d be adding Bass, Pietrus, Wilcox, Daniels, & Dooling and not bringing back Green and Baby, I’d be happy
after all the drama, that’s what we’re looking at – and that’s not too shabby
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Hm... fair enough.
… though if you’d have known it would come at the cost of Green’s heart problems…
Feel really bad for the fella. Was looking forward to seeing him grow into our system as well. Darn.
Anyway, as with all other things, time to move on.
Basketball soon, sir.
Basketball soon.
- Just call me Dirk!
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i have a feeling jeff green will be back in boston 2012-13 season
Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk
A Perfect fit for Boston
another talented player with a injury question; if signed, is a third center next ?
Good point about perspective.
It was probably silly of us to have gotten our hopes up for what were really hail mary attempts by Ainge to add all-stars (although the West thing seemed like it was all but done), we’d all be pretty happy with what he accomplished with very limited resources. I think he had a good off-season. Just rotten luck on Greens heart issue, but if Pietrus signs with us, that could really mitigate Green being lost.
They appear to have reached a buyout per ESPN:
The Phoenix Suns have waived veteran swingman Mickael Pietrus after reaching a buyout agreement on Pietrus’ $5.3 expiring contract.
By forfeiting $1.2 million of his 2011-12 salary, according to the Arizona Republic, Pietrus convinced the Suns to release him outright. That will allow Pietrus to become an unrestricted free agent if he clears waivers in 48 hours.
“Lon and I have been working on this for the past few days,” Pietrus’ agent, Bill McCandless, told ESPN.com. “We reached a buyout agreement that’s fair for Mickael Pietrus and fair for the Suns. I’m sure Mickael will have options (once he clears waivers).”
Hopefully nobody will claim him off waivers. He would be a good fit here, it seems.
that's a good way to look at it
Another way is this: Pietrus is not a great player, but he is better than Sasha Pavlovic in every way.
by sofutomygaha on Dec 23, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Always liked the fella.
Yes please. If he clears waivers, that’d be a very, very nice, solid addition.
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im actullay happy with bench
he will be a great add and could be finale bench piece we need
Ainge has done a commendable job assembling a team for this year while keeping his options open for the future. It looks like a complementary group that should fit well. If healthy, Mickael Pietrus, especially one who reminds us of the guy we played against a couple of years back in the playoffs, would provide more depth and more options in the backup mix with Daniels and Pavlovic, both of whom I like, especially Daniels.
by SteveZ from Edgemont on Dec 23, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
I hope he comes through. And he better not pull a David west style
by CBleedsGreeN on Dec 22, 2011 9:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
+1
Jesus Shuttlesworth: I hate my name. What kind of name is Jesus anyway?
Jake Shuttlesworth: It's biblical.
Jesus Shuttlesworth: Yeah, no kidding.
by jakeshuttlesworth on Dec 23, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
3rd former Magic player
Dooling, Bass, and now maybe Pietrus
maybe part of the welcoming committee for Dwight in 2012? LOL
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well if dwight wanted to leave his team last year
why would he go to the team that is already a quarter of his last team…..cmon jeff
by the way i was on orlando’s sbn blog, they love big baby just as much as you guys like bass, so thats kinda cool. In fact they had a comment that said something like “Brand Bass couldnt do that (refering to baby’s hustle and commitment to defense)” which is exactly what you guys said of baby when bass dunked. So its kinda cool how the trade worked out for both teams, which is what gms look for. just an fyi
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
u guys dont have 'cmon son' sayings in boston?
in other words, i was joking as well……except for the awesomeness of the trade…that was serious
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Dec 22, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
the difference is that those guys are coming off the bench, rather than starting….that’s why :)
by Emilio Bonilla on Dec 22, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
It's Early
I’m sure BBD is tryng to fit in. But he’s still 6’6’ and 300 lbs and can’t jump over an SI Magazine. He’s not a good rebounder, but will take charges and a good team defender. He’s more of a small center than a PF. I think DH and Orlando will figure that out very quickly.
Bass will be Bass. High energy, athletic and a good jump shooter. I like the deal for the Celts, don’t see it working out so good for Orlando, especially if DH is traded.
I live in phx
and I saw mickael pietrus at the gym i go to (bally total fitness (which has now been bought out by LA fitness)). I ran on the treadmill next to him for a minute until he left. He looked really uncomfortable lol.
Believe
Needs to Fit In
He’s temperamental and if he doesn’t get the PT he thinks he deserves that could be a problem. I think he would possibly fit in the Cs with it’s strong veterans, but that didn’t stop BBD from being disruptive.
Otherwise a strong 3 + D, Bruce Bowen type, Worth a shot for the Vet Min.
Individuals Win Games, Teams Win Titles
If Pietrus is as good as I think he is
I don’t see how he doesn’t get time, especially with Green out.
Remember, it says Pietrus is interested in the C’s, as opposed to it just being the other way around. I’m gonna give him the benefit of the doubt that he knows what he’s getting into.
I learned how to make a sig just so it can say "DFA Darnell MacDonald". That means it must happen.
If he's willing to take a veteran minimum to come to Boston.
He’s doing it for bigger reasons than playing time.
It’s not like he’s walking into a young locker room that’s going to put up with any nonsense. He’d know exactly what he’s coming into, taking a deal in Boston wouldn’t be about egos, or money, or a chance to break out and score a big new contract next year (although ironically, it could be the best way to do just that, ala James Posey) but the bottom line is it’s about winning.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Yeah, remains to be seen if he'll settle for vet minimum.
For some reason, I rather doubt it. Even though, apparently, the buyout he received + vet minimum is just about a wash. We’ll see. A lot of guys talk about wanting to play for a team with a shot, but if better money is offered elsewhere, they usually take the money. I’m not saying that’s wrong, either. Their prime earning years are few.
He's not taking a pay cut
He’s getting bought out for his salary minus the vet minimum.
Then whomever picks him up will pay the minimum. Thus, he ends up making the same total amount.
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That's exactly what I said.
Even though, apparently, the buyout he received + vet minimum is just about a wash.
But the part in question is...
Will he simply take the vet minimum and have his salary be a wash, or will he take more money elsewhere and end up with a net gain.
Okay - got it. I read it without reading it. My bad.
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No probs. I can barely keep my eyes open at this point myself.
Signing off. zzzzzzzz
Forget Dwight is not coming through those doors , but you know who could...
Kevin Love – thats the guy I want
Prefer Love over Howard
Now here;s a guy who goes out and gets it, plays hard, works at his game, no shtick. Rebounds instead of swatting the ball into the stands for show. And not a super maxi-maxi guy.
"Celtics bring order and structure to a chaotic world"
He really would be a great get.
A young, monster rebounder extraordinaire. The one silver lining in Jeff being out with his heart issue is that it should heal fine, and we still retain rights to him next year. Kind of an unexpected bonus. Rondo, Love, and Green (or have Jeff to sign and trade should Danny want to do something else) is not a bad start to a rebuild at all. Plus, we have two first rounders next year. Should be a really fun off-season.
Let's hear it for Minnesota Big Men going to Bean Town!!!
That would be a solid piece of “awesome” if Danny could pull that off.
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gotta slow this role
Love is going to get a max contract. I’m not saying it’s a bad idea- but consider how bad his defense is for that money.
by sofutomygaha on Dec 23, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
MN not known for defense.
Some players don’t turn on the defense unless the team preaches and practices it. Hoping that’s what it would be for Love anyway. The guy’s got the Celtics attitude anyway. I’d love to see that lineup!
"I don’t think in the past. I don’t think in the future. You grasp the moment." -KG
would be
a great pickup. I’d actually feel pretty happy with the bench if the C’s can get him signed.
If he’s that good, then he’ll probably get claimed off waivers, no?
by jurrasicearl on Dec 22, 2011 10:22 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Before you get too excited
Have a look at his stats on basketball reference. http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pietrmi01.html. Not so impressive. Looking for a player with similar stats, B-ref comes up with the immortal “Fatty Taylor.”
I kid you not.
Scariest thing about those stats...
Is he’s never played more than 75 games in a season, ever.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
75 games?
We won’t need him for that many :)
by CelticPride on Dec 23, 2011 1:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I thought the C's would fill the final
roster spot with a center also.
There may be 2 things in play here.
1) They may really think Steimsta can play and help them at back up center and will stick with him the rest of the year.
He has looked pretty good so far I think in this young season so he may just turn out to be able to help the C’s this year and possibly in the future also.
or
2) Maybe at the very least the C’s will want to get a good look at the Steimsta and if he regresses and does not seem he can help this year, the C’s may eventually replace him on the roster with another center down the line, maybe like Joel Pryzbilla (who I like) who the C’s have been rumored recently to have interest in signing after the new year if he decided to return to the NBA and not retire.
They have an open spot.
So they can bring Pietrus in, don’t forget Steamer’s contract is not guaranteed, so they have the option of carrying 15 players, and seeing how Steamer does, if he earns some PT and proves valuable, they keep him, his contract would become guaranteed at some point (not sure when that deadline is now with the shortened season.)
If not, and a viable Center becomes available that’s worth picking up, then they can waive him and open a roster spot.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
More KG
I think we are going to see KG play more Center this year. JO may start and finish but in between we are going to see KG play 15+/- mins at center this year. If JO can log 20-25 that only leaves 8-10 mins for others (Steamer, Bass, or Wilcox). Not sure we need the 3rd big, but if we do, I’m sure Danny and Doc will find someone to cut (Steamer or Sasha would be my guess) or a trade 2 for 1 would open up a roster spot.
I think Pietrus would be a pretty decent pickup...
He would add nice wing insurance considering Green is out for the year.
I like his athleticism and the offensive punch he would offer coming off the bench.
His defense I think is not to shabby either as he is a good shot blocker and is also a nice off the ball defender who should fit right in with Doc defensive game plan.
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Come one! Come all…..!
We’re getting excited about a guy released by the Suns and rejected by the Raptors? The Raptors?
Ok….well… I hope he comes here and is the absolute “sleeper” of the year…but…he wasn’t on my Christmas list.
Is it Soup Yet?
Have to agree
I’m not so excited but it’s either him or sasha
Yeah, Thornton is not very efficient offensively, but he is an offensive player
… if that makes any sense. He can get his points, but maybe a bit like Toine used to (in that he’ll make you want to pull your hair out). Still if our second unit struggles too much offensively, we could do worse than Thornton. But you’re right; he doubtless wants more than vet min.
He didn’t get REJECTED by the Raptors, the trade was voided because of his knee issue.
by Mub33b on Dec 22, 2011 11:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I wondered when somebody was going to say that
Master Po is on it. Beware free gifts.
Maybe he is leaning towards the Celtics because his bad knee won't let him stand up straight?
Is it Soup Yet?
Sweet - Assuming he's healthy Pietrus could do a lot for the Celtics
The players available for the Celtics to add are limited at this point but even if that weren’t the case Pietrus could bring a whole lot to the Celtics. He’s a great perimeter defender and can hit that corner 3 all day long and slash to the basket as well. He can spell Paul Piece defending Lebron or Carmelo or whoever. I haven’t heard of a better player the Celtics would have a legitimate chance of picking up. I’m crossing my fingers to see this happen.
Let's bring in more guys that have battled with our players
Dooling is already here, we know he likes to wrestle with Ray. And KG has squared off with both Bass and Pietrus.
Hell yeah bring him in! That’s the kind of intensity I want on this team.
lol
I like where u r going with that. Makes sense to me
by kuekuatsheu on Dec 23, 2011 6:33 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Always hated Pietrus when he was playing against the Celtics
I will love him if he signs with the Celtics. This would be a very good get. Great way to end the night after driving out to Amherst tonight to watch my alma mater Beat Davidson, who knocked off #11 Kansas on Monday night.
Agree
I always respect players that are good/tenacious enough to really get under my skin when they play the Celtics.
I hated Petrus too, while simultaneously respecting his game and the way he played it.
That said, I’m always weary of signing cut players from other teams. Especially ones with medical issues.
So my expectations are low, but I guess I like it as a low-risk move, and I love it if he can match his production from a couple of years ago.
"Chemistry is something that you don't just throw in a frying pan and mix it up with another something and throw something on top of that and then fry it up and put in a tortilla and put it in microwave, heat it up, give it to you and expect it to taste good. You know? If y'all don't know what I'm talking about then you can't cook and this doesn't concern you."
by KGHurtYourFeelings on Dec 23, 2011 9:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
cool
Good to finally hear somemore movement in our camp
This puts a lot of pressure on Wilcox and steam boat but wild they can step up this would be a great add
by JuJuan some moore on Dec 22, 2011 11:56 PM EST reply actions
How about a Center, too?
I like Pietrus. If it works out, that’s great. But how about adding a center too?
by Danyck on Dec 22, 2011 11:58 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Gotta get Pietrus aka Air France .
by fRANKZILa 2 1 on Dec 23, 2011 12:11 AM EST via mobile reply actions
agreed
i dont feel like goin through another heartbreak ala West/Green
Won't get my hopes up.
I would love to have him but i wont get my hopes up until it is a done deal!
Good pickup - but I'm not going to expect too much.
We look thin at SG the moment because of Paul’s heal. But once Pierce is back, then he’s back to starting and I suspect Daniels still is Doc’s preferred backup 3 over Pietrus for at least a little while. Daniels at least knows the playbook.
Pietrus may also need time for his knee to fully heal.
He could have more impact later on in the season, when back-to-back-to-backs get rough.
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Yes, but depending on what Bradley/Moore do, there's an opening there.
Daniels has always been a more efficient player at the 2 spot, he’s passable at the 3, but not as good.
So where I agree Doc probably will prefer Daniels over Pietrus, if none of the other 3 guys in the running st SG (Bradley, Moore, Pavlovic) show anything, Pietrus could allows Daniels to slide over to the 2 and fill that gap.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Yes, that's a good point.
I’m liking the look of our bench right now.
It is suspect in perimeter offense. But defensively, between Daniels, Pavs, Moore & Bradley – it’s hard to think of a team with a better squad of perimeter defenders off the bench.
And we should be able to get scoring inside & out with the front twosome of Wilcox & Bass who’s defensive shortcomings probably won’t surface too often against second team units.
Pietrus is not a great defender, but he’s not bad. And he’s a good 3PT shooter so would be a nice addition to the mix.
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Meant to include Dooling in amongs the perimeter gang.
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Is pietrus able to play sg?
Im not sure how tall he is but a second unit of dooling, pietrus, daniels, bass, and wilcox doesnt seem that bad
by Kgwillkillyou on Dec 23, 2011 1:03 AM EST via Android app reply actions
MP is 6'6" -215
but can anyone comment on probability he clears waivers?
Pietrus...
at $5.3 mill…a risky bet
at vet min…. a very good bet.
Kind of a character, but solid skills and yes….a good fit for the Celtics.
He has hit some big shots in big games in addition to decent defense over the years.
Just so you guys know, there’s a reason why Suns fans are just so eager to get rid of him. Not to mention, he’s the butt of jokes at the Suns forums.
I was on the suns blog
And couldnt find any “pietrus being the butt of suns fans jokes”
by Kgwillkillyou on Dec 23, 2011 2:21 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
As of the end of the preseason, Silo is our best shooter…
And I just read the box score on usa today, which was actually kind of funny.
They had Brooks and Buycks as DNP injured.
Gortat, who is injured, was listed as DNP coach’s decision.
Pietrus was listed as DNP coach’s decision.
One out of four ain’t bad, I guess. Although Pietrus could have been listed as DNP everybody’s decision.
after the trade with the raptors got cancelled:
so,
mickael pietrus is not even worth a conditional second-round pick. wow.
Maybee
Surely we could flip him to kansas city,st.louis or buffalo………..oh shit they dont even have teams damn!
We could maybe trade him to the D-League…
:)
True, but what's the risk, or better option?
Other than waiting for Wilson Chandler to get cleared from China, and then probably get signed by a team with cap space anyway?
If you get him on the veteran minimum, why not?
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
At least u bring a dose of reality with your Chandler musings.
I will go the other way
Starting 5 next year of rondo Gordon Chandler kg(resigns vet min) and Love
Bench delonte, ray(resigns vet min), oh captain my captain, Josh smith, Powe, And Hakeem the dream
by kuekuatsheu on Dec 23, 2011 9:57 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Not sure what the value of those comments is though
You can easily scrape these Celtic boards for tons of negative comments about any of our players.
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Well, I'm not really trying to spark a protest against him bringing him on.
I’m just reiterating (and explaining) why some Suns fans were eager to get rid of him. Just so we all don’t think of this as a blessing to the C’s of some sort.
I’ll be all for getting him on the vet minimum, but all I’m thinking is that I’m not really expecting him to be the final piece that makes the whole clockwork run smoothly. To answer Sizzlack, there’s really not much of a risk, there may not be a better option. :) Just trying to let people know about what else could happen.
it would seem...
the main concern is his recovery from his injury issues.
How he was used (or not used) in Phoenix isn’t much of a concern, unless his ability to play has been diminished.
I’m sure the Cs will vet him on his physical for that.
His career offensive stats aren’t overly impressive but, in the past, he can make some big plays at times under the playoff spotlight. Good locker room guy as well, from what I have seen in the past.
If anyone knows someone better for that price, who wants to come here, I’d like to know who it is.
by Tom Halzack on Dec 24, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Anyone else bothered
That kobe bryant has a torn ligament in his wrist but is saying he is for sure playing but paul pierce has a sore heel and it sounds he will miss sundays game!? I hate kobe, and im a pierce fan but this bothers me.
by Kgwillkillyou on Dec 23, 2011 1:31 AM EST via Android app reply actions
I am
Kobe plays on bad knees and broken finger. Have to respect that.
+1
youre right….you HAVE to respect that. I just dont get it. Is pierce THAT soft? I understand that its only the 1st game, I understand that its just the regular season but still, it should be a matter of pride, heart, and killer instinct to want to be out there. Like I said, I hate kobe but he always beasts through injuries and still plays and plays hard. Cmon CAPTAIN!
by Kgwillkillyou on Dec 23, 2011 1:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
wow
with the history of the celtics rushing guys back from injury you want pierce to play on the first game of the season? nevermind that it may aggrevate his injury and make his injury worse?
So suddenly pierce is too soft, a guy who played through a torn meniscus during 2008 finals, who was almost stabbed to death but played a whole season? seriously guys
+1
How many players have come back after multiple stab wounds?
by kuekuatsheu on Dec 23, 2011 9:05 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Carl Landry
Was shot a few years back
by JuJuan some moore on Dec 23, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
And back after just a few weeks?
by kuekuatsheu on Dec 23, 2011 3:13 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
+1
This tangent is just … wrong ….
Kobe’s situation and Paul Pierce’s are completely unrelated. It is .. off the mark … to draw comparisons and to even begin to label Pierce as ‘soft’ reflects the memory of a … person with a very short memory ….
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by mmmmm on Dec 23, 2011 9:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Don’t forget Pierce returned to play 3 weeks after being stabbed 9 times in the damn neck. So no, Pierce isn’t THAT soft.
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by IsItTheShoes on Dec 23, 2011 5:48 AM EST up reply actions
Kgwillkillyou is just referring to basketball
…he is just trying to say that players ‘play’. That’s all.
Players play????
A foo/ ankle injury is a lot tougher to play with than a wrist. Give us a break. Rondo played with a dislocated shoulder but he couldn’t have played with a dislocated ankle/foot. You don’t run up and down the court on your wrist.
Pierce is still getting grief for that wheel chair thing where he actually thought he was seriously hurt cause he heard a pop and didn’t want to risk it. Then found he was ok in locker room so played. Laker fans said he was soft. They are the fakers not Pierce!
by Daveonthecape on Dec 23, 2011 2:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
+1
I still can’t believe people think he faked an injury. Some people need to check themselves sometimes, real talk.
I learned how to make a sig just so it can say "DFA Darnell MacDonald". That means it must happen.
he did have surgery on he knee that offseason
He was injured just not enough to not play in the finals. Probably got an injection, between that and the adrenaline you get from an injury it carried him to the mvp
by kuekuatsheu on Dec 23, 2011 6:37 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Man am I catching some heat for this
I love pierce, and hate kobe…im just saying that to play with a TORN ligament in your wrist is tough and to NOT play with a SORE heels is kinda weak. I understand a foot injury is harder to play with…but its a TORN LIGAMENT vs a SORE heel.
by Kgwillkillyou on Dec 23, 2011 6:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sore heel?
Ever had planter fascitis?
If he can play he will.
We need him for the whole season not one game then out for season
Give it up. And give him the benefit of your doubt. He’s earned that much from you.
by Daveonthecape on Dec 23, 2011 11:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Are you serious!
If PP doesn’t play it’s because he can’t play and would risk a more serious injury. The last time I looked the heel was attached to the rear of the foot. The feet take an incredible amount of pounding running, jumping etc. This is an injury that could linger all year.
As for Kobe’s injury, the only way it would be similar to PP is if Kobe was jumping and landing on his hands. Then I’d be impressed, but I don’t think that’s happening.
Am I bothered...
that Kobe is stupid and Pierce is smart? No. Am I bothered that nobody in the Lakers organization is brave enough to tell Kobe that they want him healthy later rather then nursing a sore wrist all season? No.
Does it bother me that some people can’t tell the difference between running around the court waving a wrist that you only stress when you shootpassdribble a 40 oz. basketball, and running around a basketball court pounding your injury into the ground with 235 pounds every other freaking step? no, not really ; )
by jbeumer on Dec 23, 2011 2:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It’s a leg injury versus a hand/arm injury and its hard to not use your leg in basketball. That’s what I think and hope.
by bfrombleacher on Dec 23, 2011 2:39 AM EST up reply actions
Not in the least
It’s December. We need our guys healthy for the playoffs.
Expect a lot of nights off for guys b/c of the condensed schedule.
Eh
I get where u guys r coming from…but I also get where I am coming from
by Kgwillkillyou on Dec 23, 2011 2:19 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Is vet min our only available offer?
’cos LAL may be interested too, right? And they can offer more money if ever :s
Yes that is all we can offer
by kuekuatsheu on Dec 23, 2011 3:14 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
The more money tangent is moot
If someone wanted to pay him more than 5.3 mill, they would pick him up off of waivers for 5.3 mill.
What ever any team pays him LESS than 5.3 mill, Phoenix is going to pick up the difference.
Glad we kept that 15th spot open
If healthy, he will fit in well here. He’s expressing interest in us so the feeling is mutual. Him, his agent, and Doc & Danny will sit down and discuss what his role will be, how much expected playing time, etc. So he knows what he’s walking into. He’s 6’6 and can hit the 3. Not much of a rebounder though. Still, he’s an upgrade over Sasha, has playoff experience, and is tough. Let’s just hope his knee is good. If so, SIGN HIM!
Kobe
Kobe is stubborn that’s all. 2 different dynamics with Pierce/Celtics-Kobe/Lakers. Pierce has a leg injury. Kobe has a wrist injury. Kobe is option #1 in LA. Pierce is tied with Allen, KG, as option #1 (or something close to that). We need to be cautious with Pierce’s heal and can afford to have him sit out more games than Kobe. Apples/Oranges.
Love to have him but....
This off season it seems like most of the useful veterans are choosing other teams. That’s what happens when your core is probably or at least perceived as too old to contend.
We arenot looking for a starter here. So a suns fan puts w video together with all his bad shots, they were not all the same game.
That being said, that was bad.
by kuekuatsheu on Dec 23, 2011 9:20 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I know,
and he had games last year that he really lit it up (tho most of them were still with the Magic)
Still, those things in the video were the common reputations he built from his playing time in PHX, and I’m hoping he sticks to shooting balanced-threes and attacking the rim if he gets here.
He will be a Reserve
Let’s face it, PP and Ray will play 30 min per game. That means we are looking for 36 quality minutes from MP, Daniels, Sasha and possibly Bass (and Bradely for Ray). Seems to me that signing MP under those circumstances is a no-brainer if he’s willing.
Also, I’ve seen MP play and he’s a good NBA player. I don’t care what kind of garbage someone spliced together of his bad shots. I’m sure I could make a similar video of DWade, Lebron or CP3. That’s why scouts look at players rather than basing decisions on stats alone. Who has actually seen him play and doesn’t think he can help this team?
Select missed/bad shots
Could put same video for even the best NBA players.
by Daveonthecape on Dec 23, 2011 11:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
assumin he clears waivers and his knee is a short respit away from healthy
Our 2nd unit is missing a floor spreader. A unit if Dooling, Daniels, Pietrus, Bass and Wilcox should be competent on both ends of the floor.
Pietrus is not a bad pickup and has been salivated over on this blog during prior offseasons. But I have confidence that Danny will make the right move (don’t know where that comes from, but I’ll go with it). Not as much offense as Thorton, better D by a mile, little older. I am ok with this roster as presently constituted and think Danny could wait to see what shakes out. But on the otherhand it is not every day that a quality defensive player with a shot says he is leaning towards Boston.
by kuekuatsheu on Dec 23, 2011 9:15 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I'm sure that Pietrus saw the opening on our roster that Green's condition created.
Positionally, among all contenders, it is an obvious fit from his perspective as an SF.
NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.
I am sure that has a ton to do with it.
Just saying Danny may or may not bite if he thinks he can do better. Dannys interest in the past and MPs now point to otherwise, but I am sure DA will give it much thought and explore all options.
by kuekuatsheu on Dec 23, 2011 3:22 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
PP vs. Kobe
The reason Kobe plays is that he’s the decider. He’s bigger than his coach. He’s bigger than his team. The reason Paul does not play is that Doc is the decider. With the Celtics nothing is bigger than the team.
Hmm.......Sounds great.....
How many rings do Rivers and Pierce have combined?
How many rings does Kobe have?
I get that few people in here like Kobe. But he’s got more rings than any active player or coach. That deserves respect. You don’t get that many by not being about team. The guy’s always been a gamer.
by Finkelskyhook on Dec 23, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
I stand by what I said.
I think it’s telling that you refer to HIS rings rather than Laker championships. I respect Kobe’s talent and accomplishments, but it has always been about Kobe first. The team has always been secondary to his own interests. Otherwise, why the Shaq/Kobe breakup? Think of the Laker championships sacrificed so that he could be the unrivaled alpha dog. The fact that his incredible talent has overcome his me first mentality doesn’t negate the fact of the me first mentality. Laker success has come despite that mentality, not because it doesn’t exist.
by Elvischannel on Dec 23, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Agree
If Kobe doesn’t run Shaq out of LA he’d had 8 or 10 rings! That’s fact too.
Or Shaq didn't push his way out of LA.
Depends on your point of view.
But this is what happens when an unstoppable force meats a immovable object.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Nothing Kobe does is relevant to me
as he belongs in prison. So his NBA career is meaningless.
by Daveonthecape on Dec 23, 2011 11:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Kobe doesn't have a choice
He has to play , his new Nikes are dropping that day
lol
He has to play in his hideous Christmas shoe!
by kuekuatsheu on Dec 23, 2011 3:24 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
"no ligament left"
That’s tough.
by kuekuatsheu on Dec 23, 2011 3:25 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
He was really our kind of player -- a big guy who can shoot," Suns Coach Alvin Gentry said. "In order for it to be a good fit, you've got to want to be here and I'm not sure he was every fully engaged about being here."
Well….When you get traded from a defense oriented team who’s cornerstone is arguably the NBA’s best defensive player to a no defense team who’s cornerstone is inarguably the NBA’s worst defensive player…..It’d be awfully hard to be engaged
He had 5.6 million reasons to be engaged.
Be a professional.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
I agree
But many sports stars do not.
Though they won’t last long in Boston with that drive or lack thereof.
by kuekuatsheu on Dec 23, 2011 3:26 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Agreed
I guess I’d use the word focused. When you’re a defense-oriented guy playing with Howard you guard your own man or your own zone.
When you’re a defense-oriented guy on last year’s Suns you’re responsible for your own man, Tank Carter’s man, and Los Nash’s man, …etc etc.
Probably more confusion and focus than engagement
by Finkelskyhook on Dec 23, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
don't count your chickens
wasn’t David West a Celtic and then boom he went to Indiana. I hope he does sign with us but this is far from a done deal .
No doubt. I really think it's a longshot he ends up here...
Because if all we can offer him is 1.4M (or whatever the vet min is), and somebody else offers him 2.2M (or whatever), can you really blame him for grabbing an extra 800 thousand just for playing for 4 months?
Eh, unless that 2.2m came from a contender, I have a hard time believing he'd do that.
He’s still going to make his 5.3mil contract this year.
He took 1.2mil less on his buyout, because that’s the amount he’ll get on a veteran minimum. In other words, the money is the same, and he just doesn’t want to play in Phx, he wants to be on a contender.
So, if a contending team, who had their mini-mid level extension at 2.5mil available and offered it to him, then yes, you might be right. But I have a hard time believing any will do that. So he’s looking at the 1.2mil vet min from contending teams only, and in that light, given Green’s injury, and Pierces age, Boston is probably his best opportunity to play for a contender and see a decent chunk of minutes.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
I agree that Boston is a great fit for him.
Just saying that if somebody offered him 2.5M vs our 1.4M, I’d have a hard time resenting that he did that, given that these guys prime earning years are few, but I hope that he does come to us.
It doesn't matter if someone offers him 800K more!
That would just mean Phoenix would pay him 800K less
Unless someone offers him more than 5.3 mill – he won’t make any more money.
I don't think that's right
He reached a buyout agreement that payed him 1.2M less than his salary would have been. As I understand it, if he is claimed on waivers, then whatever team that claims him would owe him the 4.1M (takes on the old salary… I could be wrong about that though). But, if he clears waivers, he can negotiate and sign with any team he wants to, for any amount he can get, and that won’t alter the buyout he had negotiated with Phoenix. They’d still be on the hook for 4.1M, even if someone offers him 2.5M after clearing wavers. That’s my understanding. If I’m wrong, I hope someone will spell it out here.
Why do you say he's a plus defender?
His DRtg is not good, and the book on him is that he lacks focus.
Would be a great fit.
He’s a upgrade on Sasha. He can shoot, can get to the rim, and plays defense.
What more could you expect with what we have to offer?
can't see
ANy contending team paying him 4.2 mil. Not that he may not be worth it but, theoretically speaking they pobably have enough parts in place not to want to spend the dough to justify a small amount of pt. Team that really need him, he’s not gonna be much of a fit anyway. Yep, his best option would be Boston. Im really hoping for a nice xmas present:)
Could DAinge have worked out a trade
for MP? – Because his signing with the C’s is not sure; Suns were attempting to trade right up to buyout
Ehhhh....he kinda sucks...at everything...
Sure, its only the minimum and he gives some better size options at the wing position, so versatility-wise, he helps create some more matchups.
But…
He’s not a “scorer” and he doesn’t really do anything very well – he’s a classic “bust” as the 11th pick – watched his entire career out in GSW – He’s a transition player who shoots in the corner and is a solid all around defender.
The Celtics still need someone who could potentially be explosive offensively – surprised they haven’t gone hard after Arenas or Redd – maybe they have and were turned down.
This signing doesn’t impact the team significantly at all, i don’t believe….not going to improve this team a single win or loss. This is a body for matching up with MIA – super….
Really Arenas or Redd?
Do you think Arenas can have a resurgence? Do you think he can accept and thrive in a reserve role? Can he do what A.I. could not? Do you think he has it in him? By it I mean, the it necessary to play with the fab four specifically KG. Do you think Redd’s knees will last another season, month of a season?
Better solution: pierce may start and finish but plays bulk of minutes with 2nd unit. Can think of no better solution, no bigger sacrifice for the betterment of the team, no bigger showing of leadership. Pierce would man-handle 2nd unit competition and can create on his own shot probably with greater ease as well.
Also providing opportunity to have a few more minutes of youth to run with Rondo and the 1st unit whether they choose to play big or small.
If they really intend to slash minutes and play KG for only 5 minute increments, this tactic makes even more sense. They are already going to play bench players more, they have to. Why not make this part of his role, not just team leader but specifically leader of a 2nd unit. Forget switching with Ray as to who leads bench platoon, Ray can’t create his own shot and would be best suited with Rondo and with KG. Realistically the best thing would be for the bench to exist on it’s own, but that may be difficult this year, this could be a solution.
Sorry for the tangent, I hadn’t really given any thought to Pierce off the bench before, figured I get all points on the idea out.
by kuekuatsheu on Dec 23, 2011 7:03 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Lot's of accolades
then you proceed to throw the guy under the bus. He can apply defensive pressure, His shooting game works well off the screen. Still has some years left in him. If healthy this only provides upside in terms of potential wins and what we can do offensively and defensively. And to call him a bust at 11 is a bit overstated. He’s been a journey man but he;s got game in him still. As far as playing mentality, the way the NBA players are today, if they arent where they wanna be they arent gonna put out a max effort more than likely. Maybe this is the case with Pietrus. If he wants to come here then half the problem is already resolved. We need all the help we can get..let’s not throw him to the side like we are trying to sign a d leaguer.
Getting Pietrus is like getting Posey back
The Posey we would have had the year after the title is about what we get with pietrus and indeed Pietrus is probably a little quicker but less absurdly clutch. Pose had a knack for the dagger
Id love to see this happen
This Is A Quote From The Globe Article On Doc
. ‘‘The James Poseys of the world keep the first team in line,’’ Rivers explained. ‘‘The first team, not the second team.
‘‘The first day of practice there was a moment when there was a dispute over possession of the ball between Garnett and Pierce on one side and Posey on the other. Posey grabbed the ball and said it was his and you guys could you-know-what. He brought that attitude and it never changed. Red [Auerbach] always told me you want instigators on your team, not retaliators, and Posey was an instigator."
Don’t know much about Pietrus. People always say good things about him, but I can’t remember being impressed when we’ve played against him.
My point here though is the one expressed by Doc in talking about the intangibles that lead to a championship. It didn’t matter if Posey never scored a point (maybe it did matter because his points and defensive plays were usually done just when needed). It was his ATITUDE that made him special. KG obviously has it,ML Carr had it. I don’t know if Pietrus has it or anyone else in the league for that matter. We need a player who can kick KG’s and Pierce’s @#%$. It’s all part of the chemistry. Maybe Dooling could be that guy.
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn
I loved this quote. Just as good the 2nd time, thanks.
I agree I hope there is that guy.
by kuekuatsheu on Dec 23, 2011 8:56 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Must sign Pietrus
Can’t allow another decent player to get away.
If this ends up being yet another tease (made worse if he signs with a contending rival) I will throw up all over my computer screen.
He's better than Sasha... so why not.
Pietrus is far from exciting but he could help. Especially considering that he has an easily definable skill set that Doc could fit into the current schemes.
Basketball is like war in that offensive weapons are developed first, and it always takes a while for the defense to catch up. - Red Auerbach
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MP clears waivers and signs with “Boston Celtics Family”
by kuekuatsheu on Dec 24, 2011 9:39 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Pietrus is a good player...
…but his contract is too high!!!
by AleMenardi on Dec 25, 2011 1:45 AM EST via mobile reply actions
but not for us!
We are only going to pay him vet min.
Phoenix will pick up the rest.
NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.
by mmmmm on Dec 25, 2011 2:48 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
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