In Less-Surreal News, Some Celtics Notes
by Jeff Clark on Dec 9, 2011 6:06 AM EST
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PrintYesterday was crazy, intense, and above all surreal. But in the background, some very normal stuff happened as well. Players worked out, minor trades happened, free agents were looking for work.
At some point we'll have to look more in depth at new acquisition Kenyon Dooling, but I think the gist of it is that he's a decent backup point guard that can play defense but isn't the best shooter. Funny, sounds like the same skillset as the other two point guards on the team, just to a different degree.
In case you missed it, the Celtics agreed on a deal with Marquis Daniels. (See more here)
Also, it sounds like Jermaine O'Neal is itching and ready to prove that he's healthy and ready to contribute. He better be.
Jermaine O'Neal checks in - Boston Celtics Blog - ESPN Boston
O’Neal made it clear that any lingering aches and pains from his injury-plagued 2010-2011 season are a thing of the past. "Physically I couldn’t feel any better than I feel right now," he said. "When I came back [in last year’s playoffs] I had some back spasms, but my knee felt pain-free. I wanted to really challenge myself this summer to see just how much my body could take. I felt like I did that. I wanted to get as strong as possible, as fit as possible, and I put in a lot of time. To be honest, I really didn’t take much time off at all." As for a wrist injury suffered in the postseason, O’Neal said he decided against surgery on his fractured left wrist because the long recovery process would have likely been career-ending.
For those asking about Delonte West and Leon Powe, ...well, don't hold your breath (sorry, I'm sad about it too).
Far from a Marquis move for Danny Ainge - BostonHerald.com
A source close to Delonte West said that the free agent guard, who suffered through an injury-plagued season with the C’s last year, hopes to decide on a team either today or tomorrow morning. . . . Though Leon Powe had expressed interest in a return to the Celtics [team stats], his first NBA team, the interest apparently isn’t mutual. The power forward likely will return to the team he finished last season with – the Grizzlies. "I talked to (the Celtics) a while ago, but they’re not interested," agent Aaron Goodwin said. "I think he’d like to go back to Memphis. He was able to get some minutes there."
What will this first official day of free agency bring? Expect more of the surreal.
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same type of game in my opinion
but better ball handler and defender.
by craziness@analltimehigh on Dec 9, 2011 7:02 AM EST up reply actions
Not
Delonte can shoot; Dooling can’t.
Delonte is at least as good a ball handler.
They’re both good defenders, but Dooling is much longer … I know they’re listed about the same, but Dooling is tall.
"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark
I like how Dooling can play Center position
Oh wait, no he can’t.
by Wintersun on Dec 9, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
By not signing Delonte, and getting Dooling with Marquis Trade Exception, the Celtics avoid having to spend the mini MLE on Delonte who will command at least that in the free market. I am not sure who we will use it on, Reggie Evans looks like possibility. We might save it for later as well. Dooling is also less of a health risk as missing time in a compacted schedule means missing more games than usual.
by Yogesh Raghunathan on Dec 9, 2011 6:42 AM EST reply actions
reggie is a possibilty
although i think we have enough bad shooters, bad FT shooters and undersized bigs…his rebounded would be nice to have though
by craziness@analltimehigh on Dec 9, 2011 7:01 AM EST up reply actions
Um, Dooling has averaged
just 60 games per season over his NBA career.
Maybe Dooling’s less of a mental-health risk, but he’s just as bad of a physical health risk.
"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark
In the last 5 years
he averaged 70 games a season including DNPs. That’s way more durable than West.
by Yogesh Raghunathan on Dec 9, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
keep on talking stats...Stats don't measure heart, pride and desire.....you can't put a stat on that
Why DA went with Dooling over DW is just beyond my comprehension, but I again I personally can’t stand DA in so many regards…so I just have to deal with it or quit watching the Celtics…..Celtics win….ughhhhh…
Is it Soup Yet?
Maybe
DW wanted more money than we could afford to pay him. I
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by KGHurtYourFeelings on Dec 9, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
How many times do I have to say it Po...
He did not go with Dooling over West.
It’s completely apples to oranges, Ainge CANNOT NOT USE A TRADE EXCEPTION TO SIGN WEST.
So the money he spent on Dooling has absolutely ZERO to do with Delonte West.
As has been stated, numerous, numerous times, but you do not seem to have any desire to listen to it…
Danny can only offer Delonte a mini-bird exception raise on his last contract (about 1.5mil) OR the mini-mid level has has as a tax team (3mil) that’s it.
And if he uses the mid-level, he can’t spent it on any size the team badly needs. So basically he’s limited to begging Delonte to take less money and stay with the Celtics.
Dooling is a good player who provides injury depth and a veteran presence at either guard position. It has nothing to do with trying to sign West.
So let me state it one last time and pray you decide to listen this time, Danny did not choose Dooling over West, he got the best player he could for the trade exception to provide insurance for when/if West decides to leave for more money.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
are we a tax team though? thats a question ive been trying to find an anwser too
because the luxury tax is what $72m?? and we are at $65m i believe so wouldnt we have the $5m exp?
by craziness@analltimehigh on Dec 9, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Good question.
It’s been stated out there that the Celtics are… but I’m having trouble finding the exact figures on the tax limit thresholds anywhere.
So to be honest, I can’t prove it right now, other than to say, it’s been widely reported that the Celitics only have the mini-mid level available.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Yes but the cap is still $58M right?
so we’re still over the cap, and i think we are only at $65m towards the cap, but in reality we are somewhere around $78m (because our franchise players pay isn’t held against the cap) in projected roster spending, like we was last year.
cap i think is still $58m yes but the luxury cap is in the $70's
if im not mistaken the mini MLE of $3m is for teams ABOVE the luxury tax and the $5m MLE is for teams below the luxury tax but i cant find the right info to prove or disprove this.
by craziness@analltimehigh on Dec 9, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Sizzlelack I did not see any other post exlaining this ...my bad...but if you keep talking down to me
you and I are going to have a problem..I have not been disrespectful to you and I don’t approeciate your tone.
I am going to have other mods review this and your other posts…but I don’t deserve your disrespect just because you think my positions or desires are wrong or unfounded. Got it?
Is it Soup Yet?
Put it in a couple other threads... maybe you didn't see it.
Tone is hard to convey by test, I was trying to make my point emphatically, I had no intention of disrespecting you.
My apologies if you took it that way.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
"maybe I didn't see it" ...are you calling me a liar... I told you I didn't
you’re apologizing for my interpretation and not your tone…weak
Is it Soup Yet?
...What?
Why are you putting words in my mouth. I’m not calling you a liar, that was entirely honest. I’m admitting the possibility that you had not read my response in the other threads, I meant absolutely no sarcasm in that whatsoever.
If you did not, then I really do apologize, perhaps I was a bit harsh in that case.
Again, tone is very hard to interpret by text, you’re assuming all my words were meant with malintent, which is simply not the case.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
i hear dwight will demand a trade to jersey today
player dictating location again, here we go again lol……
it will be interesting to see if the celtics have any guys lined up to sign that have flown under the radar so far…
by craziness@analltimehigh on Dec 9, 2011 7:00 AM EST reply actions
only other celtic rumor ive seen is that they are after parker from cleveland as a FA...
if they sign him and assuming green and davis stay it would put us as 13 roster spots
rondo-dooling-bradley
ray-parker-moore
pierce-green-daniels
kg-davis
jo-jj
so depending on what we can get and where jj plays (i know im nuts but i still think he plays C) we either need two centers or a center and a PF. would love nene but seriously doubt it…so mohammed, foster wouldnt hurt on 1 year deals IMO. not much out there without a trade
by craziness@analltimehigh on Dec 9, 2011 7:11 AM EST up reply actions
Jajuan is Pf, and has no abillities to play at center position(Like Green or Davis).
WE NEED CENTER! I prefer Reggie Evans, as he himself mentioned that it would be a honor for him to be a celtic
still it's my opinion he will play C, i didnt ask you to like it.
and evans is a 6’8 PF…..not the CENTER WE NEED!
i dont want a team of undersized bigs again. we’ll just end up with davis playing center again and he’s terrible at it.
by craziness@analltimehigh on Dec 9, 2011 7:34 AM EST up reply actions
Agree, but JJJ would be just that - an undersized C
Further, his skill set screams ‘Power Forward!’ and that’s where he should be deployed.
I agree with you partly about Evans. I’m hoping we do not bring back BBD and instead can find 2 bench Cs and another bench PF. I can see Evans possibly being that additional bench PF.
If we DO bring BBD back, man I hope the rest of the team gives him a serious talking to and he gives a serious listen towards understanding what his role is supposed to be. He has talent, but he really hurt the team with the way he played down the stretch last year.
NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.
i thought davis would go in a sign and trade
until the lockout…then it made to much sense to keep him since he’s accustomed to the team and all, as much as id like a taller, better reboundign PF.
by craziness@analltimehigh on Dec 9, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
and jj would really only be undersized against some teams
as i pointed out in another threat of guys who have played centers last season:
jj: 6’10 221
noah: 6’11 232
chandler: 7’1 235
biedrins: 7’0 240
gortat: 6’11 240
camby: 6’11 235
hawes: 7’1 245
ibaka: 6’10 240
aldridge: 6’11 246
horford: 6’10 245
erden: 7’0 240
does he need to bulk up a bit? yes. has he been lifting wieghts trying to bulk up? according to him…adding 15 pounds isnt that hard if you lift and eat right….we will see
by craziness@analltimehigh on Dec 9, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
I was really hoping for both Delonte and Powe to be back...
If we can’t win a title (and sadly, I don’t think we can) I’d rather root for players that I like. Delonte and Powe are two of my favorite Celtics bench players of all-time.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
The thing is, we still CAN win a title.
The odds are not in our favor, but it is still possible.
Remember, the things that derailed last season were NOT age, injury and decline of KG, Ray & Pierce.
It was age (Shaq), injury (Shaq, Delonte’, JO, Perk, Semih, BBD, Rondo) & decline (BBD) of the team around them.
We need the supporting cast to be strong and healthy all the way through for a change. And then get a little luck.
NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.
can we?
Forever the optimist aren’t you mmmmm? Dooling sure the heck ain’t going
to help us win that title. Chicago and Miami will be even tougher to beat come
playoff time. The era of the Big Three is over my friend.
I was last year.
I see Miami sign Battier. Chicago is going to pick up a shooting guard.
If Ainge lands a decent center then I will get my hope back.
Otherwise, come playoff time we will have the same problems.
Oh, so Rondo is going to lose en elbow again?
Cause really, that was the biggest problem come playoff time.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Well, if you just want to believe it's impossible, I'm not sure what the point of watching is.
So, yeah, i’m an optimist.
But further, I don’t think I’m wrong in any of the facts expressed. So there are definitely grounds for optimism. I would not say i’m over confident. I didn’t say it would be easy!
The long lockout was awful, but the side benefit of it for our guys is a longer off-season for them to heal up from various nagging injuries. Plus our starters are so tight and experienced, they will be hurt less by the short training camp.
Our bench, though, that is critical – just like last year, that will probably decide our fate. Danny needs to come through there. If we don’t have a strong bench we’ll just wear down the starters again.
NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.
I hope you are right mmmmm
I will be watching for the same reason I used to watch the Bird Celtics
in their twilight years – I am a Celtic fan to the end. Hopefully, they
will be better than I imagine right now.
I was wondering who drank all the cool aid
Now I know.
Last year the team won 46 games. That was with Shaq and Semih kickin’ butt and takin’ names in the early part of the season. This year, with no center (OK, believe in the resurrection of JO if you want; I don’t) the Cs will be hard pressed to be a .500 team.
Might as well enjoy it for what it is … and hope that Clippers pick comes in at #11.
"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark
That's funny, and here I was wondering who drank all of negative nancy's homemade punch.
Now I know.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
struggle to be .500?
wow… back up off the ledge my friend
"Take it to the hoop, there's a dance involved." - DJ Tommy
Most will be optimistic
When we get a center. There’s still players out there and we haven’t even started the season yet. So why not be optimistic
if JO is infact healthy and can stay healthy
it’s a huge boost to teh team his inside shot blocking was doing wonders for awhile last season
by craziness@analltimehigh on Dec 9, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
They've got a Chance...
…but….
They really, really need some things to brake their way.
First off – they NEED OFFENSE!!!!
To accomplish this – Bradley, Green, & Johnson must be given a chance to contribute enough to actually develop during the season – best way to save KG/PP/Ray is to do what the Spurs do and rest the vets in favor of giving experience to the young guys.
Secondly – free agent signings who can actually put the ball in the basket – to this end, both Wilcox and Bass make tremendous sense for Boston – both players have had “near breakout” seasons where they showed the potential to be starters. I think both have been hurt by circumstance in the past, this is an opportunity for both to contribute substantially and in areas the team needs. They are both still young and highly athletic, which plays into Rondo & Green’s strengths while having experience as well.
by BillfromBoston on Dec 9, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Miami and NY got stronger.
Battier and Curry to Miami, possibly also Billups. Chandler to NY. Dwight to NJ? And the Bulls are still solid. Going to be a tough year. So as of now, who do we have? Seems like a mad scramble to fill the roster. Games start in a little over 2 weeks. My tally:
Rondo’
Allen
Pierce
KG
JO
Bradley
JJ
Dooling
Green (restricted FA)
Marquis
Moore (probably bound for D-League)
And we have heard that Gilbert Brown and Sweetney in camp. Wow, Danny has some work to do. I suspect we are going to hear a batch of rumors today on who is going to the C’s.
by JPV on Dec 9, 2011 8:38 AM EST up reply actions
We need a LEGIT back up center. Sweetney is a dog and davis cannot play center when JO gets hurt
by celticinorlando on Dec 9, 2011 8:39 AM EST up reply actions
... and a legit starting center,
you know, someone who plays more than 400 minutes a season.
"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark
Now it looks like Chris Wilcox is target
would like DA to also try and rescue Krstic from overseas
You are using Eddy Curry to MIA as evidence that they're improving?
I just thought that was funny, sorry, no offense meant. Your greater point is well taken.
Basketball is like war in that offensive weapons are developed first, and it always takes a while for the defense to catch up. - Red Auerbach
Curry to Miami in itself not scary but.....
They only need servicable players with experience to surround LeBroid and the gang. So from that perspective, he is a nice pickup for them. They will also have a more balanced roster and some real length.
by JPV on Dec 9, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
Curry is a bum, plain and simple. The Heat, last season had two of the leagues top talent and it still wasn’t enough to win. Joel Anthony is a much better option than Curry believe that. lol
by KWW on Dec 9, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
Actually had 3 of the top talent (don't forget Bosh)
and came close to winning it all. I would not go so far as to call Curry a bum. In fact, a platoon of Anthony and Curry is all the Heat need. They do not need each to be great. Just both to grab some boards and play some D. I think LBJ and co. have the rest covered.
curry as a 4th or 5th option could be scary
because he was a decent scorer just couldnt rebound or play defense. with lebron, wade, bosh and maybe baron davis, billups, or arenas (its possible) he would have a lot of easy, open looks.
by craziness@analltimehigh on Dec 9, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Miami and NY got stronger?
How would you know if teams like the Heat, Celtics, Knicks, Lakers, Spurs, Mavs and Bulls haven’t completed their rosters? You’re basing these teams on being stronger because they added Curry and Chandler??
by KWW on Dec 9, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
Plus the players these teams already have on their rosters....
I never mentioned the Lakers, Spurs and Mavs. I was focused on the East. I do not care about the West since their strength only becomes an issue if we play in the finals. I think it is safe to say that the Heat improve if they sign Battier, Curry and Billups. I think the Knicks are certainly better with a much needed, quality, defense minded center in Chandler. Remember, he will be playing with Melo and Amare. That is not to be treated lightly. And the Bulls were already good and another shooter away from making the finals.
by JPV on Dec 9, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
JPV, are you following the NBA as of now? The Mavs are about to lose J.J. Barea and Tyson Chandler. The Lakers traded their 2 and 3rd best players in Gasol and Odom, and you can scratch Dwight off the Lakers list because he’s heading to New Jersey. Now the Lakers have no size, length or strength and no bench.
The Knicks may have Chandler, Melo and Amare, but they’re coached by Dantoni therefore defense will not be an importance to the Knicks. Chandler plays defense, but not Melo and Amare.
The Bulls are still a great team, but can use can upgrade at certain positions and don’t know what moves they’ll be making. That is why I don’t prejudge teams especially if they haven’t played one game yet.
by KWW on Dec 9, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
Not sure why you asked whether I am following the NBA now..
Again, my first post never evaluated the rosters of any teams from the West. I was focused on the East, which is where we need to get out of if we make the finals. Your points, though, about the West, are well-taken and there will be some change in the balance of power. I do see OKC going deep in the playoffs and possible a finals team.
Well, yes.
Miami, not so much. I don’t care about Battier and Curry.
Battier is actually a downgrade for Mike Miller (If Miller is healthy) and Curry is… well he’s Eddy Curry, why the hell would that scare anyone?
But Chandler is a legit addition to the Knicks, and that one scares me. We all saw how Chandler pretty much single handedly changed the MO of Dallas’s defense, if he does the same in New York and adds some toughness and grit to that team. With the offensively firepower they have… look out.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Agree
chandler is a major pickup for the knicks.
there going to amnesty billlups, so I wonder who will start the point for them. other than that they are looking pretty strong.
chandler needs to stay healthy
last season was one of his healthiest in years…
"Take it to the hoop, there's a dance involved." - DJ Tommy
Dooling is a lock down perimeter defender.
The Bucks had one of the best defenses in the league last year, and Dooling was a big part of it. Chicago and Miami will be tougher, but if we don’t get injured I’ll take the Celtics in a 7 game series against any one.
by Yogesh Raghunathan on Dec 9, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
+1
He’ll be injured by New Years.
"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark
well as a JO fanboy
I’m nothing short of optimistic, but even I know he won’t play more than 40 games this year.
Bottom line, when he played last year he was still a good center by modern NBA terms.
"Take it to the hoop, there's a dance involved." - DJ Tommy
JO should be an agent after he retires (if he ever does retire). Man can that guy talk.
by jurrasicearl on Dec 9, 2011 8:05 AM EST via mobile reply actions
It's kinda awkward for Rondo coming into training camp...
..knowing that he was (still is?) almost traded.
Pardon my ignorance but...
How exactly does the “amnesty” thing work & how many players can a team afford to do that? I don’t believe I’ve come across that term in NBA deals…
Teams can amnesty exactly one player from their roster
that doesn’t mean they don’t have to pay them. They still must honor the contract, but his salary no longer counts against that team’s salary cap.
What KY said and...
Amnestied player can be bid on by teams with open cap space only, in order of their record from the previous year (I think, not 100% sure on how the order works.)
So, no capped team can be on an amnestied player, unless he clears the process and becomes a free agent (like the waiver process in football.)
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Dooling
Not an impressive start, but we have another warm body.
Why? So Stern can void the deal and drive us all over the edge?
I despise the Lakers but Stern screwed up. Everyone in the deal received fair value. My God, the Lakers gave up their 2nd and 3rd leading scorers to get Paul. NO received a bunch of solid players and Houston gets Gasol.
by JPV on Dec 9, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
The Lakers are worst off now, but some in the media will try and spin it. Personally I don’t see how any can spin this trade. If you know and understand basketball it’s clear NO got the better deal.
Now Paul put himself in a situation where he and Kobe will have to carry the load. Kobe, 33 with bad knees is not the player he was in his prime and will eventually decline. So Paul will probably be the only star in LA as his career continues.
With the Lakers positioned to have brought in DH too?
And with the eensie-market, on the market, NO loading up with a very expensive roster?
I don’t think so.
Boston’s deals wouldn’t burden NO’s finances like that and wouldn’t be rewarding a star trying to manipulate the market to just his tastes. They’ve got to let NO make some sort of deal, and going to another small market doesn’t make sense.
I can see why Danny’s still working on this.
Maybe Danny has some sort of trick up his sleeve?
I don’t understand the signing of Dooling and possibly acquisition of Daniels? That must be explained to me. Both players are descent, but what about West, Davis or Green?
I will take a stab at it...
We used a trade exception we received last year from the Daniels trade to sign Dooley. That was the only way other than using the MLE to sign him since he had a $2 million plus contract with the Bucks. We saved our MLE by doing so. Then we signed Daniels for the vet minimum. Danny actually did well here by signing two decent players (one who already knows the system) for as cheaply as possible. We do need bodies and we need them fast. I suspect he will use the MLE to get a center.
Davis is a free agent and can sign where he pleases. The Celtics are asking him to hold off, presumably to do a sign and trade. Green is restricted meaning we can match any offer he gets. West, by all accounts, is gone. He is looking for more than the vet minimum and will likely get it. It is too bad because many of us on here love West and consider him a Celtic for life. I am sure if West agreed to the minimum, the Celtics would sign him in a hearbeat.
If any of this is incorrect, there are many on this site more knowledgeable than me to correct it.
by JPV on Dec 9, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
nice pst...but I can't get past Delonte.....I'm just angry about it...but then again I am angry about alot of things
Is it Soup Yet?
You don’t know that Delonte is already sewn up, yet his agent wants more money. No fat lady in this thread
the Lakers will go after DWest now?
There were rumors that the Lakers were interested in D. West.
He could start for them. I don’t know if they can pay him more,
but he could be a starter on a contender – hard to pass up.
Ya, I don't know how they pay him anymore than the minimum.
Unless they’re willing to give him the full mid-level… which, they have the same money to spend as us I think (3mil.)
So the only way I see that going down is if, Boston isn’t willing to offer it’s own mid level (seems likely, they need that money to add size) and Dwest takes 3mil from LA, over the 1.5 max raise Danny can offer him with mini-bird rights.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
If I was Danny, I’d be sitting on Delonte, telling him, to chill out and he’ll throw whatever money he has left to him. Delonte has promised his undying love, affection, loyalty, and Shrink bills, to the Celtics for giving him a second chance. Danny has too many “maybe’s” to deal with, to worry about Delonte.
Thanks Po.
I had a hard time enjoying the rest of last season after the Perkins trade and may have an equally hard time watching the Celtics without DWest. Geeze, can’t KG or Pierce lop off a million ot two from their salaries and give it to DWest? LOL. We need fearless players to deal with the likes of LeBron, etc.. Loved the way DWest played hard against the Heat last year. Ugh…can’t wait for rosters to get set. Not getting much work done the past 2 days….lol.
Chris Broussard is a scum bag!
Last night I was watching ESPN Chris Broussard. This idiot made an accusation that some how big-market teams like the Knicks and Celtics had something to do with Paul not going to LA.
Reports are NBA reconsidering its voidance of the Paul deal.
I guess the lawyers are looking at this and telling Stern and the league that voiding the deal is indefensible in court. I predict that the deal, with some minot tweaks, will be put back in play. Paul is threatening a lawsuit and the last thing the league needs is more legal wrangling and more bad publicity. Plus, if you are Paul, Odom, Gasol, where do you report until the mess is resolved in court? No way this drags out. Methinks Paul is going to be a Laker.
So sad indeed.
…well at least he made most if not all of his basketball career. A real warrior. Made POR relevant again.
I was disheartened to see this too
I really like roy as a player and its tough to watch a star burn out early to no fault of his own, especially for someone who by all accounts was a good guy/teamnate on top of being a really really good player when healthy.
"Take it to the hoop, there's a dance involved." - DJ Tommy
the mini-MLE and Big Baby
I hope the C’s use them properly. (cross-fingers)
D West and Powe
Roy Hobbs hit it on the head re those two, except I am an optimist who never sees the glass half empty. We can win it all if we get a serviceable backup center. Those two were so easy to root for – all effort types – but Sizzlack made pretty good case re the cards Danny had to play on West and Leon’s wheels must be very suspect.
Master Po, I don’t have the negative impression of Danny that you do. I don’t take the comments of these sports reporters very seriously. There are so many of them and they all need to be read and “No news today” isn’t going to do it. So the wildest of possibilities gets thrown out there. So I give Danny benefit of doubt. However if he did offer Rondo, Green and 2 #1’s for CP3 he just told his PG that he’s not really very important. I never thought the switch for Paul was in our best interests but if this was Danny’s offer he has some bad faith with Rondo to work through becasue we saw Rondo’s head when Perk was traded. That head is fragile.
once I saw Sizzlacks post (cough) I agree it makes sense ...if it in fact it is correct.
I appreciate your thoughts on Danny …I am quite biased against him I admit and it goes way back. The workd is full of people with different perspectives and many times in my long life mine perpsectives have been spot on as time revealed the truth and other times I have been out in left field screaming like my hair was on fire over nothing.
Who knows in this case. People can burn at me the stake if they wish…I have been burnt before
Hey two fire references in one post…Peace amigo
Is it Soup Yet?
Oh the double standard in things...
Was that really necessary Po. I tried to apologize if you misinterpreted my tone above, was the snide comment here really necessary?
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Cool out, fellas
Its the internet not the playground, so its not like you can each throw a punch then call it even. You both got your jabs in, so now its time to just let it go. This a reply to both Po and Sizzlack.
So, Michael Sweetney… he was fun to watch a few years ago. Any chance he actually makes the team this year?
by KY Celts fan on Dec 9, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
I love internet tough guys.
It’s funny…put a keyboard in front of someone and then they become tough. Beer muscles have become QWERTY muscles!
I think Po and Sizzlack were simply having a spirited debate
about a team they care deeply about. I did not read their posts and think they were about to go out and duel or go 15 rounds. I think the internet tough guy comment was a bit over the top, especially if you have been on this site a long time. These things happen. Remember all the back and forth when Perk got traded?
Speaking of internet tough guys...
Whatever happened to Brickowski? Are you out their under another name or just gone wherever internet people go
WAIT AND SEE
twolves owe the clippers a pick this year. so if they get pick 2, and clippers get 6. the celtics would get the clippers pick at 6. meaning danny can land – drummond, t. jones, p.jones, barnes, lamb, davis, beal. than use there own pick (most likely 20 – 25). on another player to add depth or package it for a veteran player. along with using the 2 2nd round picks they now have.
stop stop stop stop stop stop stop
bringing up a return of leon powe. i beg all of you! it makes me want to stab my brain
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