Official: Big Baby for Brandon Bass
by Jeff Clark on Dec 9, 2011 3:13 PM EST
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This is pretty big news.
According to a league source, the Cs are in discussions with Orlando to send Big Baby, in a sign-and-trade deal, to Orlando for power forward Brandon Bass - a player Magic management had been very high on at one stage.
In addition, the Celtics are pursuing Chris Wilcox, a journeyman big man who played with Detroit last season. The team is also finalizing a trade for Bucks guard Keyon Dooling and a second round draft pick. The Cs will only trade the rights to Albert Morales - a player they have held the rights to for the last five years.
For a quick scouting report on Bass: NBA Rumors: Boston Celtics, Orlando Magic Discuss Glen Davis/Brandon Bass Trade, Says Report - Orlando Pinstriped Post
Bass enjoyed a career-best season with Orlando in 2010/11, his sixth in the NBA, transitioning to a full-time starter for the first time in his professional career following the Magic's trade of Rashard Lewis to the Washington Wizards. Though undersized for a power forward, Bass provides toughness, a surprisingly smooth mid-range jumper, and uncanny offensive rebounding ability. He averaged 11.2 points, 5.6 rebounds, 26.1 minutes, and 51.5 percent field-goal shooting--all career-highs--last season.
He's also referred to by some fans as "No Pass Bass."
Update: Trade is 'done deal', according to Sherrod Blakley
BBD to Orlando for Brandon Bass is "a done deal" now. Story should be up shortly.
Contract terms via @SpearsNBAYahoo:
New Orlando Magic forward Glen Davis getting a four-year deal paying in $26 million range, source tells @YahooSports.
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Well I would say if we trade for Bass then we are not getting Green back.
Also this doesn’t solve our size problem.
Bass is a true power forward, Green a SF ...
Different skills sets. No reason we can’t have both.
by rocknrollforyoursoul on Dec 9, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
This will prevent
those silly celticsblog debates about whether JG is a small or power forward. Bass is a true PF and should keep JG at the small forward. Love it
Yes, he's a prototypical PF.
With inside and outside game.
I like the move, but I worry about his quick trigger. He’s got a nice jump shot. But layups are always better.
There are times when you need to move that ball through the offense and get a better shot, rather than take a good shot with 14 seconds on the shot clock. We’ve dealt with that enough with Big Baby, how is Bass going to be any different?
That being said, I think he’s got a higher upside than Davis, just on athletic ability alone.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
good points
In general I like the trade. I also am worried about the shoot first rep but before I pass judgement I’d like to look at his actual shot data. I’m in transit at the moment. I’ll post something on this later.
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by mmmmm on Dec 9, 2011 6:55 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
This would be fantastic!!!!
Brandon Bass is 100 times better than Davis offensively – great shooter, explosive athlete, still relatively young and cost controlled over the next 2 seasons at 4 million – UPGRADE.
Wilcox is another “upside” guy as he’s never lived up to his talent but has had multiple seasons where he’s gone through LONG stretches of highly productive offensive play. For the type of money he’s likely to receive, he’d be massively better than Kwame Brown – shot blocking, rebounding, low post scoring – this is outstanding.
Both these guys are cost controlled and have the chance to contribute going forward….love it.
by BillfromBoston on Dec 9, 2011 11:55 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I remember Wilcox from the ACC
Can jump through the roof.
LOVE IT!
Wonder if BBD will rekindle his relationship with the young boy he pushed down that one time, at band camp, in Orlando
HA HAA HA, buh by BBD – sour grapes
Don’t break your hand punching someone before the season again
Thank you DANNY!!!!!!
Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk
No doubt...
with Bass and Wilcox on board the C’s will have gotten a bit more younger and alot more athletic.
this would be a solid trade, i think...
i don’t know if Bass is gonna be that much better than BBD, i think ppl will miss him more than they’re willing to admit, but if only for the sake of the fact that I think all parties need a change, this would be solid value.
i like the wilcox news, too..
solid rebounding and size, but don’t really know how he’s been the past season or two
by JunkyardDawg on Dec 9, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Been with Detroit the last two seasons ...
and last season he averaged 7.4 points and 4.8 rebounds in 17.5 minutes over 57 games. That’s about 10 rebounds per 36 minutes, and he’s 6-10, which makes him exactly what we need.
by rocknrollforyoursoul on Dec 9, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
The problem is he’s 235 pounds and gets muscled around pretty easily because of his poor lower body strength (think about him as the anti-Glen Davis in this respect, if you wish). This also results in piss-poor shot blocking.
Doesn’t quite make me wet my pants with excitement, but he’s as good as you’re going to get from the spare parts pile I guess.
in the celtic defense with KG it might help
i mean shaq looked 10 years younger for awhile with this team
by craziness@analltimehigh on Dec 9, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
"This also results in piss-poor shot blocking"???
We just got rid of Davis. The unshotblockyest shot blocker ever
thank mother holy god on that!
by craziness@analltimehigh on Dec 9, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
+1000
The best news of the trade is we will now no longer have to see Baby unfairly at times play at the center position.
True...
Shot blocking was not Baby’s strong point as it seems he rarely blocked shots in his Celtic career.
Bass though he is not alot taller then Baby (maybe about a inch or so ), he will with his longer wing span and better jumping ability I assume be blocking more shots then Baby did has in the past.
Well...
Baby is listed as 6’8" and 6’9" in some NBA media guides, but he is more like 6’7" in reality.
Also Bass has more vertical leap and a longer wing span then Baby which allows him to play bigger then Baby so its not just about height.
I have a surprise for you....
Bass gets blocked exactly the same amount as Davis does…
and a higher amount of close shots (16% vs 13%). (82games)
Bass is not the big upgrade everyone thinks he is. And he has had the same problems in Dallas.
But I l knew all this the last time there was talk of getting Bass a few years ago.
Still, I wish the best for Davis and hope Brandon can fill the void with his own positives- as i know he will.
I was without ...
a computer power before or i would have responded to the trade much sooner.
I will miss Glen Davis… warts and all.
+1
I’m not saying I oppose the trade. As Baby said, it was probably time for a change. I haven’t watched Bass extensively since LSU, where he was mainly just an athlete, so I can’t really evaluate his game
Regardless, say what you want about baby, and there is certainly a lot you can say, but he had personality, he hustled, and he was a valuable member of the team.
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by KGHurtYourFeelings on Dec 10, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
I Like It.
Bass is an upgrade and in better shape that BBD. I also like Wilcox if we are not giving up anything. This roster is starting to look better if these deals happen
Rondo/Dooling/Bradley
Allen/???
JO/Wilcox
Pierce/Green
KG/Bass
Bench: JJ, Daniels…am I missing someone?
I regard Bradley as an undersized 2 and not a PG at all.
Hope the Celtics see it that way too.
how you draw this conclusion
in the limited minutes we’ve seen him play I do not know
"Take it to the hoop, there's a dance involved." - DJ Tommy
Their point and rebound numbers last season were similar ...
but Bass had more blocks and better FG and FT percentages. Plus, I think he’s more explosive.
by rocknrollforyoursoul on Dec 9, 2011 12:01 PM EST reply actions
Far more athletic.
Davis has trouble clearing a sheet of paper.
Bass has spring boards for legs… as least as far as most PFs go (not arguing he’s Blake Griffin or anything, just in comparison to Davis.)
So, ya block numbers clearly will be better for a guy who can actually ya know… jump.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Great, Danny
Way to gamble away the future and give up on the Albert Morales era before it even begins.
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by KGHurtYourFeelings on Dec 9, 2011 12:05 PM EST reply actions
Hahaha, nice.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
A controversy-free trade if there ever was one
I’m all for it!
by redbridge13 on Dec 9, 2011 12:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions
on the fence, depends who else is coming and going
while bass is undersized too at 6’8 he’s got better inside game then davis IMO.
bass only makes $4m however and davis will likely get $6-7m so has to be more to the deal…
wilcox for the right price i like, he will be a decent backup who can play both big positions. just as long as he doesnt cost to much…
by craziness@analltimehigh on Dec 9, 2011 12:12 PM EST reply actions
Yea
Wilcox though not me personal preference at the right price would be a good short term fix at center to help J.O..
But the C’s still need to acquire another center for insurance I think,.especially considering J.O.’s health issues.
With duqe2 reporting Pryzibilla is out for the year, Kurt Thomas rumored to be going back to Chicago my 2 favorite low cost centers are now off the table for the C’s to possibly acquire.
Maybe the C’s can still pluck some one like either Arron Gray, Tony Battie, Jeff Foster or even Dan Gadzuric if any of them are still available and have not signed elsewhere.
oy vey
I mean I’d take a flier on him but boy was he a let down last year, I was genuinely excited about bringing him on board.
"Take it to the hoop, there's a dance involved." - DJ Tommy
+1
Since Troy I assume would probably accept a 1 yr deal and probably a minimum or close to it contract, I think it would be a good signing both on and off the court.
Not me...
Id have been hoping and posting all off season for the C’s to sign Murphy as I think he would be nice fit with the C’ and could add depth at both the 4 & 5 position also in spot duty.
I am still keeping hope…though roster spots are slowly filling up.
Anywhere but L.A. at this point.
by redbridge13 on Dec 9, 2011 12:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
got to think that gets vetoed too
with howard saying trade me to the nets he’s dictating where he wants to play just like chris paul
by craziness@analltimehigh on Dec 9, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t see why. Swapping Lopez for Howard is not exactly trading Paul for a pile of spare parts. Also, neither Orlando nor the Nets are owned by the league.
you think lopez, maybe marshon brooks and draft picks is worth howard? i dont
but according to stern, he nixed the paul trade because paul basically said he wants to the lakers and wont sign with celtics, etc…if traded…thats basically what howard is doing only with NJ
by craziness@analltimehigh on Dec 9, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
The league doesn't own the Magic or the Nets
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot."
- Bill Russell
by Marjun Raposon on Dec 9, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Howard and Baby are apparently buddies, Dwight has expressed his desire to play with baby.
In reality just a futile attempt to keep Dwight
same reason cleveland traded for jamison
they want to make howard happy by getting his buddies around him…
need a change,a smart one
I see Hollinger agrees with my take
Thumbs down for Orlando, Thumbs way up for Boston.
This trade is basically a good organization running circles around a mediocre one, and in a year it’s going to become obvious what a steal Boston got with this deal.
Faced with a situation in which the Celtics didn’t want to lose an asset (Davis) but still wanted to preserve cap space for the summer of 2012, the Celtics did the only thing they could — sign-and-trade him for a one-year rental. Bass technically is signed through 2012-13, but he has an opt-out after this season, and since he makes only $4 million per annum he’s likely to take the out.
We don’t know the details on Davis’ contract yet, but I suspect it’s four years, $26.05 million. The biggest clue is that the only reason he would go for it is if it paid him more than the midlevel exception. With the Magic using the amnesty clause on Gilbert Arenas to put themselves under the luxury tax, they can take back 150 percent of Bass’ pay plus $100,000, which would be a deal starting at $6.1 million. Add in 4.5 percent raises and the full deal is likely four years, $26.05 million.
For his one-year rental in Beantown, Bass will be perfect as a first big man off the bench. While he isn’t on Davis’ level as a team defender, he’s strong enough to play as an undersized 5 just as Davis did. And offensively, these guys aren’t even close. Bass and Davis both shoot a lot of midrange jumpers; the difference is that Bass makes them. He has had a TS% of 56 for four straight seasons and averaged over 17.0 points per 40 minutes the past three.
Although he’s a good team defender who willingly takes charges and can defend post players, I consider Davis one of the league’s most overrated players. Offensively, he’s really not very good — a pick-and-pop 4 who mostly shoots 2-point jumpers and mostly misses them. Davis’ true shooting percentages the past three years are 50.2, 50.0 and 49.9 — which is terrible for a power forward — and he scores and assists at a fairly low rate.
So basically, the Celtics got a better player who makes less money while preserving all their cap flexibility, and the Magic get another iffy contract. About the only benefit to Orlando is that Davis is friends with Dwight Howard, but we saw how far that got the Hornets when they traded for Jarrett Jack.
True...
we must not overlook how Bass’s signing kills 2 birds with 1 stone by helping the C’s short term this year , but also helping the C’s cause long term by not being a long term contract and giving the C’s financial flexibility down the line .
Great post!
Excellent breakdown. Win-win for the Cs. Even if Bass exercises the option (not likely, I agree) he’s cheap.
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by mmmmm on Dec 9, 2011 7:55 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Makes sense for the Celtics. You get a more efficient PF offensively, I think with more upside and good defender at a cheaper price. The couple million dollars you save on getting Bass you can spend on resigning Jeff Green.
Also, totally pumped if we can get Chris Wilcox, great backup option at the center position.
baby is pretty good on D mind you...
he is one of the top players in taking charges…and despite being short (as a center) he has a very stable base down low that bigger centers don’t get to back him down low…
eh...
he takes a lot of charges, I’ll give him that, but he is an AWFUL defensive rebounder (if someone has stats to dissprove this perception of mine Id love to see it), and his ability to have a strong “foundation” is only effective against certain types of centers. Against others he just isn’t laterally quick enough to challenge shots.
"Take it to the hoop, there's a dance involved." - DJ Tommy
Nope - you are spot on.
BBD is a poor defensive rebounder. He improved a bit last year, but still not good.
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by mmmmm on Dec 9, 2011 7:58 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
wouldve liked jason thompson more
dooling,bass,wilcox & daniels do not get em amped for the season at all so far were rondo or bust in a big way
Krstic has not been mentioned at all
he can escape from Europe ,there is a clause in contract. But Wilcox makes sense, 29 yrs old, 6’10’ , shoots 54% 9pts/game , 5+ rebounds, won a NC at Maryland. But he did sign a longterm contract with Pistons in 09 so how does this trade work ?
I don’t see him on the Pistons payroll, so he must be a free agent.
by kozlodoev on Dec 9, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Where did you hear that?
I actually heard exactly the opposite. Krstic signed for two years I think.
He wanted to go back to Europe, it wasn’t just a “lockout signing”.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
I read the same thing, two years
.
with an opt-out only with the second year. He can be bought out, for what that’s worth.
by GetYourSoxOn on Dec 9, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
we need more firepower off the bench...
crawford and jason richardson should’ve been at least considered, imo…
They probably both would have been too expensive I think.
If we trade for Brandon Bass who is already signed, and we sign Jeff Green who is our own player. I still think we have the MLE to work with? Probably wrong there, but maybe we can use that to get either.
Richard Jefferson is still looking to get amnestied so he is also another option.
Can't afford those two
They’ll be getting bigger checks from somewhere. Though I’d like either of them, for sure.
"according to a league source"
How is this “league source”’s batting average so far?
trade seems to be a done deal ,there goes my josh smith for glen/jeff dream
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The talked about signings are a step in the right direction. It’s definitely not rondo or bust. I believe this years goal is to stay competitive which if these signings actually go down, we will be. Last yr we played with an injured JO, Semih and Baby as well as KG of course as our big until Nenad came If we upgrade the 5 and 4 positions it’s a step up from last year. Also, no one is mentioning JJ who I think will make an impact by mid season. Dooling basically takes DW’s or Von Wafers spot, Quis takes Sasha’s spot. Add Moore to the mix and I think this team is better than last years. Face it, we don’t have the money to spend on big name free agents nor the trade pieces to make it work either. I also think Green will be a huge bonus this year as well. Next season will be a whole different story!
getting better
I seems things are getting a little better now.
Baby got stuffed by the rim after making nice defensive plays last year. Bass will fit better for now and the future. Wilcox was great in college. He can be a serviceable guy off the bench. Dooling and Quisy are quality players for cheap. It seems like that is what we will be stuck with. What’s next? A quality center please.
Bass is actually pretty bad defensively
he’s pretty terrible with rotations, help defense, and general defensive awareness BUT coming to the Celtics and having KG & co. helping him out might change some of that.
Offensively, though? Way better than Big Baby. I thought Big Baby was awesome during the playoffs three years ago when KG went down with that knee injury (that was three years ago, right?) and I thought he was absolutely spectacular pre-All Star break. That being said he was a pretty selfish player and his relationship with Doc ended last year. A move that was good for Boston and probably not that great for either the Magic or Big Baby (he’s going to hate SVG).
I am pretty upset that both Shrek and Donkey have left though.
I think the next step
should be to resign Jeff Green and go after Przybilla and Big Sexy.
Really...
I did not hear that,
To bad as he was on my list of possible centers Id prefer the C’s try to acquire.
Do you know why is not playing this year?
Agree
now with the:
The back court rotation all set with Ray, Rondo, Bradley Dooling and Moore,
The power forward rotation all set if Baby is traded for Bass which would be KG, JJ. and Bass.
Next the C’s need to bolster the small forward position by signing Green which would give them a nice 3 man rotation of Pierce, Green and Daniels.
They also need to add a couple of centers to the line up to help back up J.O. since the center position at the moment lacks depth at the moment.
Though I would prefer....
the C’s acquire a longer power forward then Bass who is a bit undersized for the postion, he would be a upgrade over Baby in the sense that he is a more athletic player, has better vertical leaping ability, a longer wingspan and plays bigger then his size..which Baby does not do.
Though he is not a greatest defensive player, I like his aggressive play and the fact he can rebound, block shots and has some offensive skills and is a good free throw shooter.
.
Again nothing to get to excited about but probably a upgrade over Baby.
Side note
Brandon Roy is retiring. Pretty…actually incredibly sad for a player who was on the cusp of greatness only to have has entire career end so quickly.
Damn.
agreed i was really sadeneed by the news
if he hadnt had all these injuries he would have definetly made it to the hall of fame.
seems like a lateral move
but I’ll take it because I was tired of Big Baby’s antics.
Makes NO sense from ORL perspective, but I'm very happy.
I have no idea why ORL or Dwight Howard would want Big Baby as opposed to Bass.
“Alex Kennedy: Glen Davis was one of the free agents that Dwight Howard told the Magic to pursue. This is clearly Otis Smith trying to appease Howard. Twitter”
Big Baby for Bass is an absolute STEAL for the Celts, especially considering Bass is signed for the next two seasons for less money than Baby wants.
I’ve wanted Bass on the Celts for the past two seasons.
It’s a shame that the team spent so much time pursuing Chris Paul that they already lost out on Battier and McGrady and others. Grabbing Bass now is a good start to building this team up. Dooling is also a good addition. Marquis reacquisition is great, as well (count me in as a big fan). Now, go out a sign Delonte!
Battier is going to Miami for most of the full MLE. I don’t see how we lost anything, given we can’t offer him more than half of what he’ll be making with the Heat.
It’s not official, but it’s been reported that he’s either going for the mini-level exemption or a portion of the mid0level exemption. The Celts still have their mini and could have found a way to creatively bring him on board. The point is he’s not being over-paid by the Heat, and therefore the Celts could have conceivably brought him on-board.
Battier is another player I thought the Celts could have used for the past four seasons. I guess Danny never wanted him.
But, Battier will help the Heat if they utilize him correctly.
I'm thinking now that the whole CP3 pursuit
Was just a strategic move by Danny to try to either prevent him from going to LA or to drive the price up to prevent them from retaining Bynum. When that failed I don’t know, but I would not be surprised if he then had Wyc rally owners to nix the deal. Yes I have no proof and it is borderline conspiracy theory. But it fits the data so it is as good a theory as any other to explain the madness!
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by mmmmm on Dec 9, 2011 8:39 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Size ???
If Howard to NJ is close and gets done and what with Paul eventually going to LA, Ainge’s two top targets for next summer will be off the board. The unfortunate thing is that the next best available centers are in this year’s market (Nene, Chandler, Gasol). I wish Ainge could work some magic to get us a shot at one of them.
There's speculation that the LA deal will be modified and then approved.
And of course CP could sign there as a FA next year no matter what.
They won't be able to appeal this decision
And LA thinks so as well…
Stern already looks weak after all this mess. If he changes his mind again, for whatever reason, he’ll look vulnerable as well and will be forced out by the owners. Stern isn’t going to let that happen.
Furthermore, LA needs cap space to be able to sign CP3 as a FA. Which means out of Bynum, Gasol, Artest, Odom, and Walton, 3 out of 5 will have to be gone by the summer. That’s not going to happen.
if howard does get traded to nj
we know they will keep willaims and morrow (both are on howards list) and assuming they dont just assorb a lot of $$$ in the deal does NJ still sign nene like they are looking at and play him next to howard at PF?
williams, morrow, nene, howard isnt a bad start to a team and because they’re below the cap they can claim amnesty players too….
by craziness@analltimehigh on Dec 9, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
They'll have to take on Turkoglu's albatross contract as well.
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lol...how many years left on that?
jersey can just use the amnesty clause…poof. then sign nene
by craziness@analltimehigh on Dec 9, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
+1
I’m with vinnie—this is a solid move by DA
by McHaleinthepost on Dec 9, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
According to SB it's a done deal
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baby is a more talented player
but his inability to keep weight off and his sometimes quesitonable attitude make this a more even trade than it appears at first glance. when right, Davis is a superior player to Bass IMO. I think the magic are planning for howard leaving and will play baby at center.
Yes!
BBD just annoyed me, endlessly.
Bass is exactly the kind of hard working athletically gifted rebounder the Celtics have been looking for!
This is an excellent move
Seems like everyone (myself included) forgot about Danny’s ability to make things out of nothing after the Perk trade. Great job.
I really don't understand this...
…for Orlando. It seems like Bass is the player Davis has wrongly convinced himself he is.
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by Ben Buchanan on Dec 9, 2011 2:37 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
LOL
I don’t know if you meant your comment to be funny, but I’m amused
by McHaleinthepost on Dec 9, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
A little bit, but I certainly mean what I say.
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USG
Baby
has much more skill on the offensive end.
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by KGHurtYourFeelings on Dec 10, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Mark Gasol?
Man, i wish there was a way to sign this guy.
by The green mamba on Dec 9, 2011 2:45 PM EST via mobile reply actions
+1000
I love Gasol also.
Behind Howard he is a center the I most hoped the C’s could somehow acquire.
I'm not sure...
But the magic don’t have cap space?… Do they?
So I’m not sure how that could be possible. The celtics only get an exception if the team they traded with had open cap space and don’t have the match the salary back.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Update:
Ok, so I checked the trade machine, and it looks like the Magic own an exception of 1.8mil from R Lewis, not sure how the dollars work out exactly. But I suppose it’s possible they used the exception to make the trade legal.
And in that case, yes, I think the Celtics would get the difference in the salaries as a trade exception back. We’ll have to wait for more details.
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bass is good but i wish he was taller. let’s hope he’s not a one bass hit but a 3 or 4 bass hit. and i wish wilcox was taller and heavier. 1 more ceter, danny, think it will be dropkick murphy.
remember all of those mid-range jumpers Baby took that we hated?
Bass actually makes those shots
Where's Roy Hobbs
How come we can trade for Bass who has 2 years at $4 mil in a S&T with BBD. Won’t Davis require quite a bit more and isn’t that a match up problem?
This just in
Stern pulls plug on BBD/Bass deal…..j/k
by Kgwillkillyou on Dec 9, 2011 3:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Apparently Baby was a guy on Dwight Howard's "wish list"
this tells me a few things:
- explains the big contract for Baby
- Orlando still thinks they can keep Howard
- Don’t expect a Howard trade until the trade deadline, or at all, unless the Magic don’t resemble anything close to a contender
Davis and Howard
With Dwight and Baby Orlando will have two of the strongest guys in the NBA.
BB Davis may actually complement Howard better than Bass. His short height
will be backed up by Howard’s shot blocking ability.
OMFG THANK YOU
This is all I wanted for Xmas
we should be getting a trade exception as well
as duqe2 pointed out above, somewhere in the $2.5M range. could come in handy.
Orlando has a 1.8mil exception.
So, I think you’re right.
Bass + 1.8mil exception gives you 5.8mil, which would be legal if Davis’s first year contract was around 6mil, max raise year to year brings the total to the 24mil reported, and 6.5mil per year.
But it only matters the value of the contract in year 1 to make the trade legal. So yes, I think the Celtics do acquire a 2mil trade exception… but we’ll need to wait for more details, can’t be sure.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
You can't combine trade exceptions with players to make salaries "match"...
Rather, salaries matched due to the new 150% rule, I’m assuming.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
Ah, ok.
So I’m overlooking that the new rule is 150%…
So:
Bass = 4mil = 150% allows up to 6mil to be brought in on the trade.
Baby = 6mil in first year (max raise year to year bringing total to the 24mil/6.5 average)
Works straight up.
Long story short. There is no trade exception.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
I'm going to stop talking.
Read Roy’s comments below, I’m wrong again.
…Smh.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Bass better for Celtics
Bass is the more polished offensive player. Bass can run the floor better too.
I say good move for the Celts. But don’t be surprised if BB Davis has a good year for Orlando as well.
4 years, $26 million...
That’s insanity. I appreciate everything that BBD has done here, but he is a limited player with a weight problem. $6.5 million is too much.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
Terrible Contract
I can’t believe any team would commit 4 years to BBD, never mind the money. Thank god it’s not us…
Unbelievable
Does that mean Orlando has to match that salary with assets coming back to the Celtics? If so, who else is in the deal?
No, the salaries only have to be within 150% of each other, so this works...
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
The exception will just be the gap between the two contracts...
We’ll get an exception somewhere around $2 million, if the cap rules in that regard haven’t changed.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
If the rules are the same and we get that exception...
can it be traded for a player at or under the size of the exception?
If so, that would be excellent because the Celtics could then fill out the roster with mini-MLE center and use the exception to add either another player to the frontcourt or pick up a shooter at more than the minimum.
Basketball is like war in that offensive weapons are developed first, and it always takes a while for the defense to catch up. - Red Auerbach
Give BBD credit
He got his payday. We won’t miss him unless he does alot better than Bass does here though. lol
I wonder if Rivers will enjoy it
When Davis does his ridiculous flopping against us as he seemed to when Davis did it for us?
It’s a mockery of the game either way.
For that reason, if for no other…I’m glad to see Davis go.
sometimes rediculous flops
sometimes davis would get legitimately TRUCKED by the athletic freaks that make up the NBAPA. Overall I would say BBD took legit charges more often than not, he sacrificed his body no doubt.
"Take it to the hoop, there's a dance involved." - DJ Tommy
As long as it doesn't cost us a game....
I’ll laugh when I see payback to Rivers for promoting flopping, a pathetic mockery of the game of basketball when Davis pulls flops on one of our’s…
by Finkelskyhook on Dec 9, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
4years 26million??
Oh my goodness
"Victory belongs to the most Preserving" - Napoleon
by RotB_MattR on Dec 9, 2011 4:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
psstttttt Hey Danny
…………now sign Jeff Green, reel in Bass and Wilcox along with Dooling, Quis, and one more big. The best trade for the Celtics is the one that didn’t happen!! We get more athletic and JJJ is going to surprise a lot of people if he gets minutes.
+1
His game is very very KG like. His jumper looks exactly the same, it’s creepy. I’m not saying he is KG, but, I’m thinking KG is going to see a lot of himself in JJ.
yeppers
JJJ’s game is very similar to KG’s as far as his length and his shooting. Plus, he is a 4 year guy, not a one-an-dun. I think he might shock people a bit, he has a smooth game. Being from Big Ten land, I saw him quite a few times. And don’t forget….. he and Moore played together a long time at Purdue, so they know each other well. Although I think Moore does some NBDL time.
That kid in the front row
of the Magic playoff games who Baby knocked over after the game winning shot — I wonder what he’s thinking right now.
Alright
This is obviously a good trade. But everyone is missing the big story here.
BIG BABY IS MAKING OVER 8MIL A YEAR. LOL.
I've heard 4 years $26 million
If so, it’s $6.5 million a year.
Congrats Big Baby.
Thank you for your contributions as a Celtic.
Let me get this straight...
Orlando trades Bass for Davis, and gives Davis a way bigger contract than Bass? Everything I have read (or seen, I was always impressed with Bass) says Bass is superior to Davis. This makes so little sense it is crazy.
And no, I cannot believe that Orlando is grossly overpaying BBD to tickle Howards happy pants. BBD is…. ugh… we all know. Personally, every time he got the ball, I just started yelling at the screen. Dude thinks he shoots like Ray Allen and bangs like KG, neither of which are close to true. The truth is, he is a super dump wider than life fatty that people run into a lot. I can give up those charges.
I’m pretty sure Bass can get rim too, right? I mean, that’s a huge upgrade right there already.
Let's not exaggerate.
Baby is a very good player. He sacrifices his body for the team, is not afraid to take a charge, cant defend just about anyone in the post, and has a very solid jumper.
That being said, you know what you’re getting with him, and his weight/maturity has always been a question. So I’d agree I think 6.5 a year is excessive, but let’s not make him out to be some scrub. He can be a very, very good player.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
oh man
pistons bought out rip hamilton…ugh..i want him on the team damn it!
my money is on him being the bulls starting SG this season
by craziness@analltimehigh on Dec 9, 2011 5:33 PM EST reply actions
Rony
New York to get rid of center we should pick him up cheap……
Good Idea
Turiaf is tough. Should be a good pick-up in case JO’s knees give up on him again. Centers are prime commodities in this league.
not likely
to get Turiaf but he’d be a nice big for the bench if they can get him
In other news ...Al Jefferson's girlfriend arrested for biting Big AL
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AkS9yf3j.U4UAqHdqXEUlqe8vLYF?slug=ap-jazz-girlfriendarrested
I guess Al wouldn’t pull his jersey shorts up high enough ….
Is it Soup Yet?
SVG: “I think you are really going to love it here in Orlando”
BBD: “Yeah, well, once I figure out my role (as your go-to all-start) I will be much more comfortable. What is my Role? 3 point Ace? I just feel like you haven’t defined my role yet! Role role role. I like to role. Roley role role role!”
SVG: “Designated DH fluffer…”
No sir I don't like it
I’d rather have BB and D West off of the bench than Dooling and Bass
by calc on Dec 9, 2011 7:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Solid good trade
Brandon Bass is a big improvement with better athleticism than BBD. He’s also a more solid rebounder and gives the C’s the cap flexibility for 2012. At 4mln per year with 2 years on his deal with year 2 as a player option, he will definitely opt out. Saves C’s a lot of money vs BBD’s 4 yr / 26 mln deal. If CP3 and Dwight don’t sign any extension now, Beantown is a pretty good place to be next year. Jeff Green finally going to be at SF. The experiment at the 4 spot is finally over. JG on 4 was a disaster.
Similar player, so this has to be considered a lateral move. BBD played himself out of green with his dreadful end of season laydown last year, so I’m not going to miss him. Despite his lack of commitment to conditioning in a contract year, Davis gets rewarded with a $26m contract.
The only thing Bass can’t do as well as BBD is body up giant centers in fighting for low post position. Fortunately, there aren’t a lot of really big centers like Yao in the league. Since Orlando doesn’t figure to be a serious contender, not having BBD to battle Howard for low post position for 15 minutes or so a night shouldn’t be a big deal.
I really don’t care that Bass isn’t a good passer. The 5th Beatle on the Celtics when the Big 4 are on the floor has to only shoot and make open jumpers, and take the ball hard to the hoop in space. BB can do both. He’s a way better traffic finisher than BBD, despite the similar size.
Now the Cs need to make a big signing on some of the amnesty flotsam floating around the league. Rip Hamilton would be a great addition, and he also could be Ray’s heir apparent if RA doesn’t come back here next season (or is traded at the deadline).
Mostly lateral, I'd agree.
However, there are other benefits.
The upside on Bass is higher, due to his far superior athletic ability. He’s almost 2mil cheaper, so Danny acquired a handy little trade exception there as well, which cannot be down played. And he’s only signed one more year (with a player option for another) so you don’t have to commit anything to him long term and hold some great flexibility (something you wouldn’t have gotten with Davis, since if they signed him, he’s want multiple years, as we saw with the contract he ended up getting.)
So even though, in pure Basketball terms maybe it’s pretty lateral, if you look at the bigger picture for the team long term, it’s a fantastic move. Well done Danny, well done.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Checking the stats...
First I want to say I like Brandon Bass and think he has some potential. His game is different from Davis’, but reading the posts, you would think this was a huge upgrade. I hope it proves to be so.
But checking the raw stats…
Rebounding
2011 Bass pulled in 15% of all defensive rebounds and 7.4% offensive chances
2011 Davis pulled in 15% of all defensive rebounds and 5.1% offensive chances
Blocks
Bass blocked 52 in 26 minutes per in 76 games
Davis blocked 30 in 29 minutes per in 78 games
Steals
Bass had 27 steals in the same minutes per
Davis had 78 steals – ditto
Assists
Bass has 57 assists
Davis had 92 assists
Bass is the better shooter as this stage of the game and may be overall. Baby was a space eater inside, though he never really rebounded at a rate I thought he achieve.
I understand that many are down on Davis and we should all get excited when new players arrive.
But to get excited because someone appears more athletic can be deceiving. There are a lot of athletic players in the league who have never reached their potential. In fact, Chris Wilcox is one who fits that label.
It may be said that Davis is another player who has not reached his ‘potential’ though some think he really has already. I guess we will find out – if he gets to play a bigger role in Orlando.
The good thing is that Bass’ role doesn’t have to expand much here with this roster.
The money angle is great and both Wilcox and Bass offer some new blood and, more important, skills that the Cs need.
I am not ecstatic, but I am optimistic.
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