The Buyout Waiting Game
by Jeff Clark on Feb 16, 2011 6:34 AM EST
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PrintDanny Ainge and the Celtics have admitted that they are looking around at trade possibilities but have downplayed that option somewhat. Of course you can't believe anyone this time of year, but I think the signs still point to the C's looking for buyout free agents. Wojo has a couple of Celtics related buyout rumors today.
Anthony distances himself from Nuggets - NBA - Yahoo! Sports
Trade talks have gone nowhere for [Troy] Murphy, who has an expiring contract. Nets GM Billy King will ultimately work a buyout to free Murphy to sign elsewhere. In addition to the Hornets, several other teams are expected to show interest in Murphy, including the Boston Celtics, Miami Heat, Orlando Magic and Dallas Mavericks, sources said.
Richard Hamilton will have to be willing to give back a significant portion of the two years, $25 million owed him to get a buyout on his contract. Sources said the Celtics still remain intrigued with Hamilton as a scorer off the bench.
Both players have name-recognition appeal but I'm not sure either fills our biggest need at the backup 3 position. On the other hand, if Shaq's condition worsens and the C's brass isn't 100% sure that Jermaine O'Neal can come back before the end of the year (and why would they be?), I woudn't rule out picking up a big man on the cheap.
With all that said, I wouldn't exactly rule out a trade either. We just won't know about the real possibilities until the last minute, if not till after the fact. Mark Cuban summed it up well...
"Relative to other years in terms of trade talk, I don’t think it’s really any different,’’ Cuban told The Boston Globe. "It always goes through the same process. There’s one or two early trades. We saw that with Orlando, and then everybody waits until the last possible second. And then you hit the trade deadline and they recognize it’s the last chance to save money or to do something. That’s when things happen. "That’s one of the challenges and problems the league has is that a lot of GMs like to wait until the last second.’’
Which brings me to the usual reminder this time of year: Everyone is lying! So you know, act accordingly.
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dust off Sheed & Bruce Bowen……wonder if the Rockets would do Battier a favor and cut him loose.He’d be perfect for us
Battier would be awesome
But im not counting on that one
by Kgwillkillyou on Feb 16, 2011 8:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Say no to the "Need for Sheed."
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Crazy masochist C's fans out there.
Just dieing to get tortured by lazy rotations and god awful 3-point attempts again.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Bill Russell, at age 77...
has a better chance of being asked back by Ainge than Sheed!
You're right.
I just preferred more often than not, he not come to work at all.
No player in the history of the Celtics has caused me to cause damage to household appliances and electronics as much as Sheed.
“ANOTHER BRICKED 3 PTER SHEED, COME ON JUST STAY IN THE FREAKING POST!”
That’s verbatim.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Well if regular season matters that much
To you then I see good reasons for you to dislike sheed. But at this moment with trade deadline pending and we are only two months away from the playoffs, I do not mind having him back on the team at all, ESP at the cost of only vet minimum. The only concern to me is how the team can fill the 3 forward need at first and then create a roster space.
by friedgreentomatoes on Feb 16, 2011 2:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If we had a open roster spot, then what the hell.
But we don’t.
So he’s not “just the cost of the vet min” he’s “the cost of the contract you have to buy out, plus the vet min” that means, at the very least you have to waive either Gody, Bradley, Wafer, or West, or Daniels pay off their deals (which is doubled due to the luxury tax) then sign sheed for a prorated vet min (which is doubled due to luxury tax) in order to bring him in.
So you’re looking at a bare minimum of paying 1.6mil to buy out a contract (assuming West or Wafer is bought out, who make only the vet min on 1-year deals) plus about 1mil for the prorated vet min + luxury for Wallace. 2.6mil, and the loss of West or Wafer? Not a chance. Alternatively, do I want to pay even more and lose Bradley or Gody? Nope, I like both those players and they show potential.
If they somehow worked a trade that dealt with their SF problem and opened up a roster spot (i.e. worked a 2 for 1 somehow, that brought in a SF) then sure, I’m not saying I’d be against it. Extra big man depth never hurts come playoff time.
As the team is currently constructed, and the current salary cap situation, let me reiterate: No chance in hell.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
I don't want him under any circumstances
PJ was a serious man, reliable. Sheed is not. He is toxic. Stay away, demon! (‘Sides, he doesn’t fill any of our holes.)
I was not saying
We should cut Bradley or Daniels or whoever in order to sign Sheed. I was saying i did not mind signing sheed to a minimum contract. We have to fill the small forward position first, and a lot of things can happen before the deadline. And it is likely we will have an open spot after trades.
The point I was making is I dont mind having him back and he will contribute. I don’t think he is that poinsonous as you seemed to suggest. No1 was suggesting cutting someone on the current roster for the sake of signing sheed, and financially I don’t think it is a big deal to pay that extra luxury taxes. Btw, players are paid on a game by game basis, so your calculation is not accurate.
by friedgreentomatoes on Feb 16, 2011 4:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If we had to give up absolutely nothing to get him.
Then ya, I’d agree with you.
That’s just not going to happen though.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
LOL
I was also frustrated with Sheed during regular season. But you have to admit that he came through in the playoffs consistently and declared that he would do so.
If only KP was healthy for that game 7…
He came through in ONE game in the playoffs
Not enough to warrant bringing back that kind of toxicity.
One?!?
A bit of an understatement.
by Warrior Spirit on Feb 16, 2011 7:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It was some other word than began to F.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
I would die to have Rasheed ....
to get another strong playoff performance out of him like he gave us last year, especially his solid low post defense on Howard, Bynum and Gasol.
Hey, we've all seen our bench toss all the bricks out of their systems
during the regular season. They shined in the playoffs. How can this be any different?
Irresponsible I stand...
Well I say yes to Sheed...
and Pierce and Shaq said last summer they say yes to Sheed also….
So some of us hope to see it happen.
Earth to Sheed fans : Danny does NOT want him...get over it!
There was complete silence from Danny when Sheed retired, and certainly no effort by Danny to get Sheed to reconsider since then.
Do the math : Danny is a man who got a very good look at Sheed last year…and hated what he saw!
My response
was to sizzl above^, No to Sheed!
What happened to Frank083?
by Great Gatsby on Feb 17, 2011 6:48 AM EST up reply actions
nate & avery
are the only ones i’d consider parting with -
nate is a chucker
Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk
I'd be pretty reluctant to part with Bradley.
I’d rather keep what we have, cut Daniels loose (if he can’t come back this year), and pick up whatever D-league guy would be the best defensive small forward. He wouldn’t have to be a 3 point thread; just have some length and be able to move his feet.
"buyout" sounds better
Daniels’ is cheap enough we could buy out his contract now, freeing up his roster spot.
We then could, per no kidding’s suggestion sign a D-Leaguer to a short contract (Jeeze I wish Lasme hadn’t gotten hurt!!!!). Maybe someone like Sims. If they work out well, they could stay with us the rest of the year. Or if Daniels looks healthier after a month, we could cut the D-Leaguer and re-sign Daniels in time to qualify for the playoff roster.
Its not optimal, but keeps Danny from having to give away anything valuable or take on anybody with a bad contract.
I have to admit that I am leaning in this direction as well.
ok...that makes sense and sounds like something reasonable...thx mmmmm
but I won’t be getting any calls from Danny asking for my input anyway
Is it Soup Yet?
Please note, as I wrote above, I would only want to "cut Daniels loose" (that is, buy him out) "if he can't come back this year."
If he can’t come back, then he can’t help us. But my first interest would be in having him out on the court playing, even if we have to wait a month or so for him to come back.
What I wrote earlier was only addressing Plan B.
If buyouts are the only option.
Then nothing is going to happen before Feb 24 anyway. They’ll explore all trade scenarios (Daniels is an expiring deal, so any team looking to save a little cash next year might take on the contract just to facilitate a trade) and if nothing materializes that doesn’t sacrifice the future, buyouts are entirely possible.
If they’re not 100% sure Daniels will be able to give the team anything this year, it makes more sense to buy out his deal, let him go rehab on his own, sign a “stop gapper” like Sims, or another D-leaguer and see where Daniels is at in a few months. You need a body right now to add some size to that 3 spot, and Wafer/West just don’t have that size.
This is obviously not ideal, and certainly the last resort for the team. If we go into the playoffs running a 3 spot of West/Wafer/D-leaguer well let’s just say… that’s not a good thing.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
foot fracture
sounds like Pedroia injury. I hope this kid get back to the NBA for a season or 2. All hustle and heart, I wanted him over Wafer, DA though other wise.
Jeffrey M Melhorn
Eh, who knows, Wafer might be on to something
like improving…
Lasme’s gonna be back next year, that’s sure.
Irresponsible I stand...
Ya that choice on Wafer is looking pretty smart right now.
He is fast looking like he could be a real asset for this team. We just need a small forward so Nate can spend the rest of the year waving a towel.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
"Spend rest of the year waving a towel"
Hahahahahaha funny but true
by OsirusCeltics on Feb 16, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
With the “cutting Daniels loose” comment bout it not sounding right.
by Warrior Spirit on Feb 16, 2011 1:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't get it...
Why would they want to buyout somebody who has been a good contributor this season? Unless they are 100% sure at some point in the near future, that he is
done for the season, at THAT point, it changes the equation.
What happened to Frank083?
by Great Gatsby on Feb 16, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
True Story.
All speculation at this point, we’ll have to wait and see.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
buying him out doesn't mean you don't like or value him
its just a way to free up the roster space while he’s injured. This allows you to put another player on the team to fill that gap. So the basic move is to either directly buy the player out and replace with a free agent, or trade his contract for a player from another team, sending cash to that team to do the buyout.
It doesn’t mean that you couldn’t re-sign him later IF he ends up able to come back and play. You just have to do so in time for the playoff roster.
From the team’s perspective this sort of move makes sense if you think the player will be out for around 30 days – the minimum time before you could re-sign him.
From the player perspective, depending on the size of the buyout, he could potentially end up making more money, if the buyout matches or is close to the remaining value of his contract and then he comes back and resigns at prorated vet minimum. The total pay could be more than if he got paid the rest of his current contract.
Its still too early to decide if this is the best move. And whenever you buy a player out there is always the risk that some other team will decide he’s worth signing and entices him to go there instead. I don’t think that would be a high risk here.
always liked murphy
the question is can he defend? he’s not really a small forward though is he ? still he rebounds and he can score and he would give the second unit another option. at this point it appears that baby is once again our back up center and given the injuries to shaq and JO I wouldn’t be shocked if baby gets the bulk of minutes at back up center in the playoffs. so getting murphy wouldn’t be all bad although it still leaves a hole at SF
I have a question
Is this possible to use Wallace contract to bring Battier?
I thought about it
and it does not make any sense, so sorry for asking…
IF, repeat if Wallace was really to retire, OR the the Rockets really are in the market for a serviceable big man and he wants to play for them, then yes, this could happen, we would have to either include a rookie or waive a player to make it work.
Now if Danny is truly willing to believe JO will give us something moving forward and that either or both Erden and Shaq are close to returning, then we would have no need fir sheed anyway so attempting to use his meaningless in every way except against the cap contract to net a helpfyl piece moving forward makes much sense.
As much as I understand everyone’s arguments against both sheed and JO, ot all boils down to injuries. If Shaq, Erden and JO are a long way from returning, or JO/Ainge doubts JO’s return even possible then Sheed could be considered a better option than anything else on the market, as long as there is acknowledgement of demands for effort.
I really do enjoy our team, but this setback for Delonte on top of Pierce’s ineffectiveness due to the long grind make it so I would not be surprised by any move. If it is to happen, I just want them to wait for the right one. And they have a much better idea than me. I would be sad to see certain players go, and would love to wait it out as long as possible to see…but I have faith in our mgmt to make the best decisions for our team. I mean realistically Erden must be close to return, and Delonte cant have set himself back more than a month right? Can Rondo, Ray, Wafer and Nate handle that backcourt rotation? My guess, probably.
by Warrior Spirit on Feb 16, 2011 1:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wallace already did retire.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Did he file the paperwork making it official?
No.
If he did then they could not bring him back if they felt the need. This way the door was left open. I believe his contract is currently suspended, but does still count against the cap.
by Warrior Spirit on Feb 16, 2011 2:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What he said.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
If you don't feel like reading the whole thing, here's the important part.
“more importantly, that the Celtics opened their wallets this offseason to send Wallace into retirement in August, securing a buyout of the two years remaining on a three-year deal he inked with Boston before the 2009-10 season). "
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Hamilton is the better option
He fills the Daniels role more than adequately and will be a step up offensively. The cold reality is we then have to cut Daniels. However, we can only realistically do this if there is a buyout of his contract. The second unit would look like this (when healthy of course)
Davis
Hamilton
Shaq/JO/Semih
West
Wafer/Nate
That is a helluva second team.
not really
Davis, yes
Hamilton, pipe dream
Shaq/JO/Semih, hobbled/doesn’t play/injured
West, injured
Wafer/Nate, yes, and a chucker
That is a helluva second team, not really -
Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk
Hamilton not a pipe dream
if he is bought out by the Pistons. Daniels would have to go, though. As for the injury prone centers, remember there are no back to backs in the playoffs and less travel. So, it is not unreasonable to expect that a combination of these two or three can give us 8-10 minutes a game in the playoffs. West is injured but will be back. No reason to be a pessimist about him and believe his wrist will not be fine come April. We agree on Wafer and agree that Nate is a chucker. If you bring in Wafer before Nate, then all you are asking of Nate is 10 minutes a game at best. So, yes it is a helluva second team. Whose bench matches up with them?
Hamilton is very unlikely to be bought out.
Unless he gives up a significant portion of the 25million owed to him.
Pistons ownership is changing, and the new owners are not going to want to come in and drop another 20million to Hamilton after they just spent 400 to buy the team.
And I don’t see Hamilton just walking away from 15-20mil. So ya, it’s basically a pipe dream.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Disagree but we will see.........
Predicting Danny will figure this out and make him a Celtic in about a week.
It's not in Danny's control though.
There is no way in hell Danny is going to take on that contract. The only way he can get Rip, is if Rip is bought out.
Which, as we stated, is extremely unlikely to happen.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Doubtful he is willing to walk away from so much
Plus he is overrated
by Warrior Spirit on Feb 16, 2011 12:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Don't see it happening
But I sure would like to see Det buy him out and let him sign with us. He’s not overrated. He’s like Ray, needs picks to get open. Det just not that type team – too selfish. Still a great mid range shooter, I’d take him in a heart beat, but probably not going to get done, he’d have to walk away from $10M or more.
Jeff,
Why do you doubt that Rip fills the need at backup 3? Are you thinking of him as a 2? He is 6’7".
I doubt Hamilton would come here, if it’s his decision. He’d be a starter in Chicago and a good SG, which I think Hamilton really is not a SF, is all the Bulls need to be really a contender.
He has a very good relationship with the big 3 though.
Ray and Kevin were reported to have reached out to him when he was benched for that stretch.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
I think Rip could work out here just fine ... BUT
he’d have to accept a major buyout / rework of his contract to get the salaries down so that we could work a trade.
Otherwise, he’d cost too much in terms of players just to match salaries.
Jeeze, if we could negotiate a sign & trade of Prince, that would be more ideal …
No, obviously it's only a consideration if his contract is bought out.
Which is why it is very, very unlikely.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
It's all up to Rip
If the man wants it bad enough, he’ll take a buyout and come to the C’s for less money but play for a contender or he’ll demand a trade, keep his pay and start for a lesser team.
+1
Not that I’d mind either of Battier or Hamilton.
Unfortunately I don’t think we’ll be getting any of these three guys. Too expensive and/or difficult to pull the deals off.
Prince is even more difficult.
He makes 11mil, and is a bigger asset to other teams due to his expiring deal.
Detroit would probably take JO and Nate to be rid of Rip, both players have much less money guaranteed, and they’d be grab to be rid of the contract. But Prince is expiring, they’ll never take on more money next year unless they’re getting a good player in the deal.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Murphy
He’s never really had a chance to contribute on a good team. Obviously he can rebound and shoot the 3 but I don’t think I’ve ever seen him play. Is he more like an Okur or a Rashard Lewis? How’s his post defense? He has the size to play backup C, although he’s generally not referred to as having that ability.
If he’s as good as his career numbers indicate, it seems like he could really help a contender and possibly even tilt the balance.
Celtics need.....
to acquire both a back up 3 even if Daniels returns since they were thin at the position even with Daniels healthy playing and a big with all the health questions surrounding Shaq, J.O. and Erden.
My preferred acquisitions would be Prince and Rasheed.
But with Prince so expensive it probably will not happen.
If so Battier (especially since he can play the 3 and spot duty at the 4 also) would be a nice pick up also.
Grant Hill would not be a bad pick up either, as his experience off the bench would be nice to have playing behind Pierce.
Battier is the dream scenario.
He would be absolutely perfect. But he’s reported to want to retire in HOU, and although they’re not signing any contracts right now because of the uncertain CBA, I doubt he’s going to press the issue much, and he’ll just wait till the off season.
Hill had his chance to come to Boston already, he prefers the warmer climate. Apparently winning was just never that important to him.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Battier is the best scenario.
by Warrior Spirit on Feb 16, 2011 12:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
There's the problem.
And why it is very unlikely:
1) Battier loves Hou, has openly admitted to wanting to retire there, and has never asked for a trade. Nor is it likely he would, he’s too much of a professional.
2) Even if Hou did trade him, it’d be to save money, the C’s have no exceptions to take on the money with, and the dollars will be difficult to match. You don’t want to trade Davis, and JO/Nate’s deal have an extra year guaranteed that Hou is not going to take on.
3) Hou will look to grab a young up and comer, or a 1st round pick in the deal. Bostons pick wont be very good next year, and Bradley is the only real asset they have, who hasn’t shown much of his potential yet (mostly due to lack of opportunities.) This will be a tough sell to get Hou to buy in on.
All in all, yes Battier would be the absolutely perfect fit for the team, but unless Hou is really looking to do us a favor it’s just not going to happen.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Addon to #2
What that means is you have to find a 3rd team with exceptions/cap space, who is rebuilding next year, and doesn’t care about taking the extra money on. Throw them draft picks/cash to cover some of the money owed, and essentially “buy” their free cap space.
This way, Hou sheds the salary they are looking to shed, team 2 acquires draft picks, and Boston gets their player.
A very difficult and complicated deal to complete.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
U and I have done this before
Still think that Nate & Bradley & our 1st rounder would be enough for Houston. They get a pick and Bradley which is something they want. Nate’s contract could always be a chip for a trade for them next season. If we could hoodwink a 3rd terrible team like Cleveland or Detroit to make this more what Houston wants, so be it.
Jeffrey M Melhorn
They don't save any money though.
Which is the whole point of them doing this. They’re an over the cap team that has no chance to do anything in the playoffs. They’re going to look to shed salary and get under the luxury line. And they’re adding payroll for next year, in an uncertain CBA that cap space may be at even more of a premium.
There’s just no incentive. Now if you find a team that has 20mil in cap space, needs to rebuild, and you cover the cost of the contract with cash, then they might be interested in stock piling some draft picks, and will rent their cap space by taking on Nate/JOs deal and facilitating a buyout.
So for example, Team A uses they’re cap to eat Nate’s 4.5mil owed this year, reaches a buyout with him for say 5mil of the rest owed (which is about 6mil, I believe.) They take a cap hit for 2.5mil this year, and 2.5mil next year. If you cover that cost in cash, and give them a draft pick to do it, then they might consider that enough incentive to “rent out” that 2.5mil of their 2011/2012 cap space.
Again, very complicated deals and difficult to complete, but hypothetically feasible.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
You absolutely
do not trade 1st round picks for Battier types, not worth that, regardless of
the other logistics involved. Nate also has another year left on his deal,
which for all intents and purposes, is a deal breaker.
What happened to Frank083?
by Great Gatsby on Feb 16, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
I would trade a 1st round pick in a heart beat for a "Battier type"
Low 1st rounders don’t have a great track record for turning into great player. Rondo is an exception that proves the rule.
For this team right now, take the sure thing over a “shot in the dark” which is all you can really say a 25-30th ish pick in the draft is going to be.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
For a backup
small forward? I wouldn’t do it…Not like he is going to be a starter right?
What happened to Frank083?
by Great Gatsby on Feb 17, 2011 6:52 AM EST up reply actions
sorry man Battier is a starter
not on this team but he has put in the time and is a TOP defender in this league. Put’s kobe on lockdown, same with BronBron. He shoots at a high clip from the feild and the arch, gets his share of steals from playing technique like Ray Charles. Name me 1 25-32 pick in the NBA starting for a good team, any year. Low 1st rounders SUCK SUCK SUCK. That is why DA is considered one of the best GM’s. He picks um in the 2nd round. Powe, Baby, Erden all 2nd rounders. Those are the exceptions, not the rules. Hello Lester Hudson. If I woke up tomorrow and we got washington to get the cap space Houston wanted. This would be the dream senario. Like the Sizz says not gonna happen. BUT IF IT ID DID # 18 not even jokin
Jeffrey M Melhorn
I keep reading folks think Hamilton isn’t the right choice. Um,
he can fill in for PP just fine thank you AND if you haven’t noticed D West is having some issues backing up Ray
Hamilton is perfect for what we need. He is a slender but physical guy. He is an excellent shooter and if anything we need a guy who can score more than we need another Tony Allen
agree...but according to the article ...he would have to take one heckuva a loss of dollar bills
or did I miss something?
Is it Soup Yet?
I Agree
Rip would be great, but just can’t see him giving up that much money. And at 6’7" he can and has played some SF. Besides, the way Boston runs their offense not much difference between SG and SF. Generally, the biggest difference is on the defensive end.
Doctor Doctor tell me the news
Any free agent Doctors available? That would solve all our problems…;-)
My Favs…
1>Battier
2>Prince
3>Rip
Come on Shane come and get some hardware with us – 18+19!
You get to CRUSH Kobe! What could be better?
Celtic Chat Handle: Bird
by David Henderson on Feb 16, 2011 11:37 AM EST reply actions
Yeah
Battier would be fantastic
No way we can trade for him though, and if he’s bought out, who knows where he goes.. Maybe he likes warm weather and goes to Mia, LA.
agree with that
I like Battier too but he’s never once said that he wants a shot at the ring and play for a contender, maybe he’s just happy earning a solid paycheck.
I think he's just a loyal guy
Stayed at Duke when he could have went to the NBA, but wanted to win a title. He probably wants to see it works out in Houston and I wouldn’t be surprised to see him wait to see where he goes untila new CBA is reached, maybe even play overseas if there is a lockout.
+1
Battier history of playing Kobe strong defensively is another reason he would be a nice pick up for the C’s.
Two that I like
Nate, Quis and a first for Gibson and Moon, or Quis, Gody, cash and a second for Josh Howard.
somebody wants a short dodo bird who can't shooot, a guy with spinal cord problems, and maybe a late second rounder?
who are these people….I have some other stuff to sell them
Is it Soup Yet?
Yeah
I’m pretty sick of Nate myself. The first rounder was the incentive for them taking on his extra year. I’d prefer the Howard option, but am not sure if cash and a second will get him. I thought of making it Quis and a first, but figured that would be roundly bashed around here.
These are two of the more realistic options in my view. There are a lot of pie in the sky hopes being floated.
Late first rounders don't exactly have a history of turning into All stars.
It’s far from a sure thing, and not much incentive for a team to take on an extra 4.5mil for a player they don’t really want.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Getting anyone to take Nate without taking back a contract at least as long as his...
Is a tough sell. Which is why I’d view the Howard trade as more likely because it doesn’t include Nate, and Howard is expiring, and I doubt he’s in their plans for the future, so getting a first for him would be pretty good return. I’d be good with Al Thornton off their squad too. Team option on his contract next year and makes slightly less than Howard.
All the same, I'm still happier that we have Nate instead of Eddie House.
Nate’s no great shakes, but I prefer his limitations to Eddie’s.
D-League ????
Why do people say just get someone, anyone from the D-League who can move their feet and just plug them into the back up three spot. ???? I can move my feet too but that doesn’t mean I can play NBA level defense. These guys are in the D-League for a reason. Working on their game on defense as well as offense. I’m not sure I would trust that to an important back up position.
It's not ideal, obviously.
But if not good buy out options come about, and a trade can’t be had that makes sense, both present and future, for the team, it’s certainly better than nothing.
A guy like Sims, has the potential to be an NBA player, yes it’s the D-league, but not just anyone can make a D-league all star team. It’s still near NBA talent, and he did well in Summer league too, where many NBA ready players (rookies, some sophomore players, etc…) also play. So to say, just because he’s in the D-league he can’t help the team, isn’t really true.
You want a proven commodity, no doubt, but if that player can’t be found, something has to be done. And giving a chance to a guy like Sims who has shown some real potential, and maybe, just maybe could surprise you if given the chance, might not be a bad idea.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Agree 100%
Id prefer also Danny go out and get a proven talent to back up Pierce.
But if he can not acquire one via mini trade or buy for what ever reasons, then I think the C’s should give Sims a shot.
He has nice length and size for a 3 and has played well in the D league to get a spot on the Allstar team so would not be a bad plan B for Danny to go to if all else fails.
I tend to use the expression "move his feet" a lot. It just means playing active defense.
Wing players are the most readily available commodity in basketball, and therefore the least expensive. If you can find a superior D-League small forward who’s dedicated to being a defensive specialist (which requires quickness and persistence), then they can often be a big addition to a contending team. It doesn’t matter if they’re not great scorers. If you can plug them into a back up role for someone like Pierce, it can make a huge difference. Think of guys like Bruce Bowen, or the Tony Allen of last year’s playoffs.
Wafer’s growing on me. But he’s overwhelmed against LeBron and Kobe. And that’s who we’ll be seeing in the playoffs.
Celts
Here we go again Murphy would be ideal if a buyout would happen his a F/C double / double player most of his career also shot blocker and can hit the 3"s then add a D- leaguer Sims or Tiny Gallon …..
Murphy ...
would be a interesting acquisition.
On the positive the Nets are looking to buy him out, he would spread the floor with his deep shooting, he can play both the 4 & 5 position and his contract runs out this year.
The negative I have questions on his defense especially in the low post and with his contact so big at almost $12 million, I think he would be too expensive for the C’s to acquire.
But Murphy overall would probably a net plus to have coming off the bench and would add extra depth and insurance in the front court.
BTW
who is Wojo mentioned in the article?
What happened to Frank083?
adrian wojnarowski
Yahoo NBA reporter / blogger.
Thanks
I am not a big Yahoo guy, unless I am checking my free e-mail, LOL!
What happened to Frank083?
by Great Gatsby on Feb 17, 2011 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
this would be GREAT!
Murphy’s got a balanced game, he can be a double double threat, can hit the 3, has good size, it would open up the court a ton for Rondo, this move seems average but think about what Okur does for Utah. And Rip would be great too, just like ray he can be an effective defender, + I think Rip in 20-25 minutes a night can be a very effective player, It would be funny cause when Ray goes out of the game the Defender thinks he can rest and stop chasing him around those screens and here comes Rip for him to chase.
Murphy?
I like Murphy,but his D is terrible and he hasn’t played all season. So he has to get back in shape, I mean game shape plus he has to learn our offense and defense. Not sure he’s the best option. I’ve thought all season that we were thin a SF/Wing and outside shooting. Murphy might be a decent shooter but doesn’t help at the wing position.
Just because he hasn't played doesn't mean he's completely out of shape.
He’s still practicing. Granted getting game timing back is a different think, but for a veteran guy, only takes a few games.
We’re talking about a guy who averaged a double/double just a year ago.
But I agree, he doesn’t fix the wing problem, so there are larger concerns right now.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
big ben anyone ?
with shaq still hobbling and jermaine still uncertain what about ben wallace and rip also .?
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