Rumor: Celtics Expected To Make A Trade
by Jeff Clark on Feb 17, 2011 12:10 PM EST
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Ken Berger reports: Trade buzz: CBSSports.com Basketball
Sources say the Bulls and Celtics are widely expected to make a move before the deadline, and each is seeking wing help. The Cavs' Anthony Parker would be an ideal fit in both places. Wizards guard Kirk Hinrich would be a good fit, too, but his $8 million salary next season would make such a transaction troublesome.
Interesting news if we can believe it. The rumors have been mostly pointing towards buyout options but this info indicates a trade might be more attractive. Reading carefully, there aren't any specific trade rumors, just that it is "widely expected" that the C's will make a move.
Parker seems like a logical target but again, he's not specifically linked to the Celtics. Not sure what the Cavs would want in return or what Danny would be willing to give up. Hinrich seems less likely for Boston but that may have been more about a potential return to Chicago.
It isn't much but we are a week away from the trade deadline and this is a reasonably believable rumor and I'm willing to run with it. Fire up the trade machine!
Update from Ainge on WEEI: Ainge: C's 'fielding calls' on possible trades
"First of all, we need to gather all the information on Marquis," said Ainge. "We're fielding calls, nobody seems ready to pull the trigger on anything. We have a competition meeting on Friday and have a chain to talk to people and then probably starting next Monday or Tuesday we'll start getting a little more serious about possible roster moves that we can make. Right now there's a list of about 15 or 20 different options and go from there over the weekend."
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I guess there’s always room for a 35 year old who shoots 38%.
by jurrasicearl on Feb 17, 2011 7:40 AM EST via mobile reply actions
And plays good D.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
KIRK HINRICH PLEAAAAAAAAAAASE!!!
Nate, Daniels and Jermaine for Hinrich, Booker, and Howard
and then, wait Rip/Prince/Pietrus/Moon/Butler Buyout and cut Luke or Wafer
Gutting a team this late in a season can have hard to deal with chemistry issues come up.
by Warrior Spirit on Feb 17, 2011 10:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I like Parker
I rally love him: can give us some important 3s and defense. Do you remember him guarding rondo in last year playoff? Some interesting minutes. I guess Doc liked.
Anyway i don’t see how we can get him with a trade. Robinson is our only expandable chip, but Cleveland already has 3 point guards.
This is my playoff dream rotation:
Rondo/West
Allen/Hamilton (via buyout)
Pierce/Parker
Garnett/Davis
Perkins/Shaq/Wallace
I'd take either Parker or Moon honestly
Moon is a low IQ guy, but he rebounds and can play solid team defense. Parker is a steadier option and would help as well.
You lost me at "Low IQ"
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Basketball IQ
And I’d describe Tony Allen the same way. He of course had a lot of value of the bench for us.
Haha, I was half kidding with you.
Although I think a better term there might be saying “energy player” rather than “Low IQ player” which really, is kinda saying the same thing.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Parker, Hickson and Sessions...
Dan Gilbert’ll do this because he hates el-BJ that much…
but i like Hinrich as well..
Lol. I also see cavs gifting us a player or 2
by vgarcia890 on Feb 17, 2011 10:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
That would be pretty hilarious...
I mean there wasnt much animosity between the teams in the playoffs, just tough competition. I could see him giving up moon and parker really easily, sessions he could get more value out of from the hawks.
Very low chance he would give up Hickson, but if he really hates LBJ that much… that would be amazing.
GUARDS
WHY are we chasing 2 guards… its our deepest spot!
Ray.. Delonte… Wafer.. ,and also to an extent, Nate and Avery.. WTF?!
Hinrich, Parker and even Hamilton at this stage in his career… ALL 2 guards, not big enough to guard the 3 which is exactly what we need them for?
Makes no sense whatsoever!
To be fair
Neither Parker or Hinrich have actually been linked the the Celtics.
And overall, they’re called rumors for a reason. : )
Parker and Rip are capable of playing SF
Hamilton: 6’7" 193lbs.
Parker: 6’6" 210lbs.
for comparison….
Daniels: 6’6" 200lbs.
None of them are ideal size for a SF, but aren’t overly undersized and are good enough to play the position
SF defenders
I agree about Parker, for sure, not only is he 6’6" but he has good length and bulk, too. Quisy has clearly been effective as a SF defender, as well.
I’m less sure about Rip; not only is he a string-bean, I don’t believe that he’s actually 6’7", and he’s a bit alligator-arm-y regardless. I do think he could fill-in at SF on occasion, but I’d be comfortable with Parker as a full-time 3, and that’s not the case with Rip.
The other name I’d love to see the C’s go after, now that he’s back on the court, is Josh Howard.
He’s a legit 2/3 defender as well, a solid one-on-one scorer who could help the bench offense a lot, IMO, and is 5 years younger than Parker, so he might have an opportunity to have an on-going role with the team, even after a 2012 lock-out.
Like either
Parker or Rip can both play SF, probably not their best position.
Can’t see Rip coming to Boston unless he takes a heck of a discount to get out of Det, has 2 more years at 12-13M.
However here are some guys that fit under the Cap for Nate, who really is our only tradable commodity. Parker, Moon, Delfino, Dorrell Wright, Raja Bell, M. Webster. Also M Pietrus works but there’s some type restriction on his contract, don’t know what it is (I think he can’t be included in any multi player deals because he was traded in season or possibly there’s a time restriction, but not sure). In any of these deals we’d probably have to sweeten the deal with a 2nd rd pick.
+1
I also would like to see the C’s go after legit 3’s rather then attempt to acquire 2 guards who can only spot duty at the 3 position and not properly defend the larger 3 players in the NBA .
Name 1 who's available.
That isn’t named Carmelo Anthony.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Hmm
a legit 3, huh? I dunno if that guy’s available.
Tayshaun Prince, Corey Brewer, and Shane Battier have been rumored to be available
not that I think we have the bullets- just saying that there are definitely some solid SF’s that are not in the future plans of their rebuilding teams.
by sofutomygaha on Feb 17, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
Drooling over the thought of Shane.
May I ask what the background of your tag is?
by Warrior Spirit on Feb 18, 2011 9:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hinrich!
he is a monster 1 on 1 defender. recall his stellar d on pierce in the playoffs 2 years ago.
he isn’t huge but he can d up well against bigger players
Help is help...
guard, forward, center. Hinrich would really help the C’s big time. Probably too tough to match up the dollars realistically. Murphy in a buy out might be the best route.
Stick a fork in Parker
I thought he would be an equivalent player to Daniels a few years ago, but as of this season (I watch about 50% of Cavs games, been following them since the Stepien era) he is officially too old to be effective.
Walter Herrmann, anyone?
"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark
Yes, as is Posey, 2 names I dont want to see in green
by Warrior Spirit on Feb 17, 2011 9:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Don't undervalue what being switched to a competitor can do for a guys motivation.
It’s really hard, especially at his age to get up and play hard when your team is the embarrassment of the NBA. Not excusing it, but losing is a disease, once you catch it it can spread everywhere.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Jamison has it for sure
He plays soft (softer than before) and has this dire look on his face all the time now.
Put Anyone On The Celtics
and they will be motivated. Great team. Great coach. Great organization. Great shot at a ring. If the guy coming over is Parker, how could it not be motivated? From the Cavs to the Celtics? And if any of the Cavs players have revenge on their mind toward LeBron, Boston is a good place to get it come playoff time. Parker can still play. And remember, all we need is 10-12 minutes a game in the playoffs to spell Pierce. I think Parker is more than capable of that. Question is who do we give up for him? Will the Cavs take Quis so they can free more money up next season? Do we give up Nate for Parker? (no).
Personally I would like Parker here
But I can see the other side of the arguement too.
I think the Cavs will simply take the money and pick for Parker. The question is, do we offer the most money and best pick for him? Probably won’t have the best pick to offer.
It is possible Gilbert pushes a deal in our favor since we can cause pain for the heatlets
by Warrior Spirit on Feb 17, 2011 9:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ok now ur being rediulous, he will not give away his core pieces moving forward
by Warrior Spirit on Feb 17, 2011 11:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well i'll defer somewhat
….seeing as how I don’t watch too many Cleveland games, and I don’t nessecarily put much stock in stats. That being said, he’s shooting 40% from 3. His problem appears to be 2pt shots, as he also shoots 40%. Also, he now plays for a terrible team. I seem to recall him being a decent player last year, and he hit a big shot against the C’s this year (albeit only the 2nd game, thier 1st, of the season).
Walter Herman, no thanks.
Re: Parker
Parker looked pretty damn good last night, against a likely Finals entrant from the WC:
18 pts on 7-13/2-5 shooting, 9 ast, and helped hold Kobe to 8-24 shooting and 7 TOs.
Broadly, I think “veteran legs” are a problem during the regular-season grind (esp. on such a bad team) but the fact that Parker has been officiated in deep playoff runs is a HUGE advantage in terms of his likely playoff effectiveness defensively, and he’s still a knock-down shooter.
Yes, please.
Good to know
I’ve had a thought for a while now that the C’s would target Parker after Quisy went down. I could easily be wrong about who the C’s want, but, his salary matches with Daniels perfectly. Throw in a pick and cash (for the buyout, he needs to come back to the team even if he’s not playing), and it could get done.
Deshawn Sims!!
And drop another player to add Troy Murphy
So we have a 3 to give Paul rest (Sims can also play the 4), and a player for big man insurance
Ain't gonna happen
Doc will not play an untested rookie.
In the regular season.
You think he’s gonna play him in the playoffs?
Playoffs?!!! Playoffs?!!!
Yeah, you're right
Too much at stake, he’s unporven. But they do need a pure small forward (not a 2 that can play the 3). I don’t think Anthony Parker or Hamilton is the answer. A Battier or a Posey type would be ideal
by OsirusCeltics on Feb 17, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
Posey's got nothing left.
And Battier just isn’t an option. He’d obviously be the dream scenario, but it’s a remote scenario.
I guarantee you Danny either has, or is making calls about Battier. But it’s most likely not going to happen unless he throws the kitchen sink at Hou. And he’s not about to mortgage the future of the team for a back up SF, no matter how much he might help the team. Especially when others (Like Parker) who while not quite as good, are still very serviceable and available a lot cheaper.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
If the rockets would be interested in Nate/Gody and a 1st rounder fora guy they were not going toresign anyway, why would he not do it. Question is, would they be interested?
by Warrior Spirit on Feb 17, 2011 12:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No, is the answer you're looking for.
An extra 4.5mil guaranteed next year for a player they don’t need? Not likely.
And they never said they weren’t going to resign him, only that they were waiting till after the new CBA. Battier hasn’t really pressed the issue, and he’s mentioned wanting to retire in Hou, so he might never.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
I like the Parker idea - even though I've always been interested in bringing in a D-Leaguer.
In a situation like this, with a strong contending team, it’s likely a 35 year old Parker would understand, accept, and confine himself to whatever task Doc would give him. But you’d have to worry that an untested 22 year old guy like Sims couldn’t be counted on to stay in his assigned role. Put him in a big-time playoff game with the crowd roaring and Shrek and Donkey acting up, and next thing you know, he might start thinking his moment to shine had arrived.
"Understand, accept, and confine"
Uh ya… I’d say so. Coming from a team who just set the NBA record for consecutive losses to a Championship contender team with 4 first ballot hall of famers… uh ya, I’d say he’ll be pretty excited.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
None of the rmors have much substance behind them, dont get too excited guys as none of the guys mentioned in the article are what we need
Stick to plying the rockets and suns with wine and women.
Though Hinrich could be a nice addition, I think he goes back to Chi-town, and he is too small to play sf, which would be the glaring hole.
by Warrior Spirit on Feb 17, 2011 9:32 AM EST via mobile reply actions
The only thing good about Hinrich is that he finally quit cutting his hair with an axe... and don't forget Rondo hates him
I am like those people above ….I don’t see how these two help us ….Honestly I hope we do nothing…..unless somehow RIP wants to sacrfice millions to play for the Celtics and I don’t see that happening
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Is it Soup Yet?
I actually said he Could be a nice addition, but he does not play a position we need. And that I see him going back to Chicago more than I see him here.
In other words, not who I would pursue.
by Warrior Spirit on Feb 17, 2011 11:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Keep your feet on the ground Danny
If you are going to make a move, make the right one.
by Warrior Spirit on Feb 17, 2011 9:44 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Tayshaun Prince has worn only one uniform as a professional, but he said he’s open to being moved — to the right situation. “It would be something I’d definitely look at,” Prince said after the Pistons’ 115-109 overtime win against Indiana on Wednesday at The Palace. “Who wouldn’t want be in that situation, to have an opportunity to play for another championship?” Detroit News
However, Prince said being traded isn’t something he thinks about or desires. His contract expires after this season and he’ll be a free agent for the first time. Moving to another city for 25 games isn’t something that exactly appeals to him. “I don’t think about it at all,” Prince said. "Either way, there’s only so many games until the end of the season. “I’m not in the situation that Rip (Richard Hamilton) is in, or obviously some of the other guys in the league. I think I’ll be here for the rest of the year.” Detroit News
What isn’t known, though, is if a team can put together a package attractive enough to make the Pistons bite. “So if it’s intriguing enough, of course I’d look at it,” Prince said. His first six years, the Pistons made it to Eastern Conference Finals at worst and won a title in 2004. However, recent speculation about the Pistons’ future — and the drama inside the locker room — makes him yearn for better days. “The drama is definitely getting old,” Prince said. Detroit News
OK: Nate+Gody+JO+1st or 2nd round pick for Prince
Do they really want to take back so much in salary?
by Warrior Spirit on Feb 17, 2011 11:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
No, is the answer you're looking for.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
that's not happening
Prince is an expiring deal and a player still in his prime. Detroit’s not taking on the extra year of salary for Nate, Gody and JO even if JO’s could be nullified by him retiring after this year. That leaves them with a devalued Nate, an undersized Gody and an extremely late 1st rounder for a high quality SF on an expiring deal that they would actually want to resign after this year.
by slamtheking on Feb 17, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Id prefer...
the C’s go after a legit 3 who has more size and length.
But since Parker has only a 2.8 million contract which is up at the end of the season he may be exactly what Danny is looking for financially.
Battier would be perfect, Parker maybe OK
A strong, defensive minded, smart 3 with size like Battier would be a perfect fit. He ENJOYS guarding tough assignments like Kobe and Lebron. He’s not that bad a shooter with range to the 3 (I should have looked up his career %).
If Battier (or comparable) isnt possible, Celtics are strong enough that they might be able to get by with Parker if he has anything remaining in the tank. His performance against the Lakers might have been an audition.
Hinrick would be an upgrade over Nate, because he can actually play point guard, can shoot well enough to play some 2, has the SIZE to defend all points (except Rose) and even about half the shooting guards.
Yes, we can all agree Battier would be absolutely perfect.
Now, resign yourself to the fact that it’s just not going to happen, and prepare to settle for a “well he’s pretty good too” alternative (aka Parker.)
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
While it may not be likely, I bet we could offer something they want. Here’s hoping.
by Warrior Spirit on Feb 17, 2011 12:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
certainly we could offer them something they want
but it would not likely be something we want to give up.
Talk Nate plus 3 mil to pay most of his salary next year, Gody and a 1st rounder.
A young proven combo guard scorer off the bench for 2 years cheap, a young project player with lots of upside and a late 1st rounder, not a bad deal either way. Overpaying on our part but for quite the piece to the puzzle.
by Warrior Spirit on Feb 17, 2011 5:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Parker is NOT a "difference maker"...
Celtics are in desperate need of “Big Man Insurance”.
Until they plug this hole, their championships hopes are very shaky!
I disagree.
He’s a good enough player to be a difference maker. That all depends how you define the term.
If “Difference maker” means 10-15 minutes of solid D, chip in 8+pts and hit some big shots. Then Parker is a “difference maker” off the bench, as he’s more than capable of that every night. Now if “difference maker” to you is a guy who’s going to score 20 pts off the bench every single night, then no, he’s not. But how many of them are there in this league? I’ll answer that for you, there’s 2, and they’re a complete anomaly. You’re not going to go and grab a Jason Terry a week before the trade deadline.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Parker will make NO difference whatsoever...
If Shaq, JO, and Semih are wearing Armani suits {while lending moral support on the bench} come late Spring, 2011.
Probably true.
But there’s no reason to expect at this point at any, far be it ALL of them will not be healthy.
And, although big man depth is helpful, as long as Perk/KG/Baby are healthy, they’d still have a chance, anything else is gravy.
Starters play more minutes in the playoff, if anyone of those 3 guys is healthy, I’m am extremely confident our big man rotation is fine. I am also extremely confident at least one, if not all of them will be ready to contribute come playoff time.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
I agree that at least 1 if not all 3 will be healthy enough to contribute in the playoffs.
Though I think the 3 man rotation of KG, Perk and Baby is formidable, I would be far more comfortable having another lengthy big as well.
by Warrior Spirit on Feb 17, 2011 6:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Parker could be a good fit.
Anthony Parker is a career 40+% 3 pt. shooter, but more importantly, he has been used to defend the other team’s best players on a regular basis, and with a very high BB I.Q., is usually the defensive leader on whichever team he’s played for.
As a back up for both the two and three- mainly the three behind Pierce, on the 2nd unit, he could play some important minutes, giving Pierce some needed rest.
He’s certainly not ideal, but the price would be right, and if Gilbert would take Quisy in a salary dump in exchange, and then we could re-sign Quisy, providing that he would get healthy, it would be a win-win situation. The question after that would be- who would go to clear a spot for Quisy in that scenario?
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I think Parker is the perfect fit.
Cheap deal, definitely available, veteran savy guy who’s not going to be scared of the big stage, really smart player, good basketball IQ, will adapt to his role well.
The only question is can you make the deal work. Clevelands not going to take on more salary here, which means they want young talent and draft picks, they wont take JO or Nates deal on.
If the deal happens, resign yourself to the fact that we’ll be saying goodbye to Avery bradley, this seems like the most likely scenario:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4gpp5a3
This, with a draft pick (or 2, maybe 2011 1st round, 2012 2nd round) in my mind, will get the deal done. Cleveland grabs draft picks, a young player with potential, and doesn’t add any salary (since Daniels is expiring anyway, and at least a portion be covered by insurance should he miss the rest of the year) for next year. Boston swaps a 2 for 1, opening a roster spot (Troy Murphy buyout signing anyone?) and grabbing a backup SF.
Seems to make a lot of sense for both teams.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
And Daniels is most likely bought out there.
Since Cleveland isn’t going to cut someone else. Perhaps Boston throws in cash to facilitate the buyout rather than a draft pick. Seems possible.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
So you think it would require more than Daniels plus cash to buy him out and a 1st round pick to get Parker?
Doubtful.
Since you obviously have more cap knowledge than me, why include a portion of the trade exception to include Bradley? Maybe Gody and a 1st rounder could get it done.
If this is the deal that happens so be it, but it seems like a bit much for Parker.
by Warrior Spirit on Feb 17, 2011 12:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well... maybe.
I’m operating under the assumption that Cleveland will want more than a “salary swap + draft pick” here. I certainly think, Danny’s first offer will be exactly that, assuming they’re not confident Quisy can come back and help the team at all, cash to buy him out + draft pick straight up for Parker is the first offer.
I just personally don’t see Cleveland biting on that. Maybe I’m wrong, actually, I hope I’m wrong. If Danny can somehow convince them to give up Parker for just a second round pick, and cash that’s wonderful.
Operating under the assumption they’ll want more, that’s why I’m throwing in Bradley, who is more appealing than Gody. You have to use the exception because Cleveland is capped, and Bradley’s extra salary along with Quisy makes the trade unworkable. The whole point here is Quisy can’t play, so we need to unload that contract and get a player, so you gotta make the #s work. Bradley + Gody works too, but then your trading even more young talent, and your still saddled with a roster spot for a player who can’t play (again all assuming Quisy can’t play again this year.) So that doesn’t really make sense.
Let’s put it this way, the trade I put up there, would be the final offer from Danny, that’s about as good as it’s going to get for Cleveland. It’s entirely possible that you’re right, and Quisy + draft pick, which works under the CBA since Quisy/Parker make nearly the same money; will get the deal done. I hope you’re right, cause that would be even better.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
I don't believe for a second that Danny would do that.
I could be wrong, but giving them Bradley PLUS one or two draft picks is WAY too much to give for a bench SF for 4 months.
You can’t do that if you expect to have a team after 2012.
I’d rather take my chances with Wafer as my backup 3 against small/fast SFs and Gody against big/slow SFs than give up that much.
I like Parker too, but that’s too much to pay for him.
this is in reference to up above, where you proposed that possibility (Quissy + Cash + Bradley + Picks)
I think that Quissy’s contract plus EITHER Bradley OR a draft pick would be the max Danny would give for Parker and that that should be enough to get it done.
You might be right.
Like I said, that was a “this will get it done no doubt” type scenario. Entirely possible Danny can get him for cheaper.
If Cleveland would accept a Quisy + Cash (to buy Quisy out) + Pick for Parker, I’d jump on that, obviously.
Of course, this is all assuming they’re sure Quisy can’t help the team this year.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Wouldn't Quisy have to give up his bird rights?
I like Parker on the cheap, but if you’re going to give up that much, I would prefer to give up more and try for Prince (Quisy, Jermaine, Avery, Semi and a #1). We’re playing for all the marbles now and Prince is a guy who has length and can defend LeBron and Bryant; plus he may be able to extend the future of Ray and Paul.
Semih, Avery and a #1???!?
no thanks
by Warrior Spirit on Feb 18, 2011 10:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
that's not happening
if Daniels is traded for Parker, it’s because Quisy won’t be playing this year. No sense clearing another spot to bring him back. Why would you do that? If he could play, they wouldn’t trade him.
I’d hate to see Quisy traded under those conditions (a bit sleazy) but this is a business and the goal is to win the title. If this comes to pass, hand Quisy his cut of the winnings and give the man a ring next year when the ceremony is scheduled.
by slamtheking on Feb 17, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Cause there's probably not sure he'll play.
And certainly not sure how well he’ll play. Doing the trade as mentioned, once Quisy is bought out from Cleveland (and you throw in some cash to the deal to facilitate the buyout) allows the trade to work under the CBA (since Quisys money is used to match Parkers) you open up a spot by trading Bradley, Cleveland gets a young player out of the deal which they’ll like along with the draft pick. Then you gain fliexbility with the extra roster spot. They could use it to sign Murphy (if he gets bought out) or, if Quisy recovers very well, and would want to come back and they’re confident he can help come playoffs, you can resign him.
Either way, there’s options.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Pollard got one in 2008
Quisy would obviously get one.
I think it is more complicated than if he could play they wouldnt trade him. We need help now not just in a month or 2 when he could return. I think if they were confident he could be of some use, yes they would bring him back, they would not bring him back (though they should) if he is not capable of competing at a desired level. Personally I think if he were bought out he should be brought in to keep working with our staff, and if it were worth waiving a player for quisys production then do it.
by Warrior Spirit on Feb 17, 2011 1:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I would hope the Celtics, if forced to trade his contract, and he is bought out.
Would show some class and give him some position in the organization the rest of the year, if he’s not able to play. Make him a “consultant” or event some title for him, let him be with the team the rest of the year, and if they hold they trophy up, give him his due with a little bling for his finger.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
"Invent some title."
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Was thinking the same thing.
by Warrior Spirit on Feb 17, 2011 6:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Parker on Bryant yesterday
I guess nobody saw him. Nice defensive game for Parker, including a couple of steal from mamba hands. Give credit to this guy. He can play damn good defense for minutes (10-12?) we need. And he is a terrific 3 point scorer with a perfect contract. Ok, i prefer battier or prince, but they are unlikely
This is kinda off-topic, but...
The Los Angeles Lakers lost to the Cleveland Cavaliers last night. Ha.
…as far as Anthony Parker being traded to the C’s is concerned, he obviously would be a healthy addition to our bench which has been struggling with injuries recently. At age 35 he probably wouldn’t be someone who would stick with the Boston Celtics very long after this season (see Michael Finley, Rasheed Wallace, etc.) however after the all-star break we could use yet another experienced role-player who at 6’6" could back up either Ray Allen or Paul Pierce until Marquis Daniels is healthy again.
lols, I wonder if Anthony Parker could somehow ‘park’ the Carmelo ‘Anthony’ trade rumors before this year’s deadline so that the New York Knicks don’t suddenly become a formidable team in the East before the playoffs this season, but then again that’s just wishful thinking… ::rolls eyes::
p.s. sorry for the lame pun on Anthony Parker’s name; I’ll shut up now.
naw, you're fine
I love the Lakers and the Clippers. Why? They lost to the Cavs. And the Clippers kicked the Heat's ass!
Ainge said "He had enough bigs"???
I think he’s blowin smoke up you know what. You never have enough bigs. Going on the premise that JO won’t help this year, you’re left with hoping Shaq is healthy come playoff time and Erdin. Big Baby will fill in, of course, but is that enough? I’d take a big any day but of course the problem is finding one decent enough for what we have to offer. So that leaves us looking for back up threes or twos.
we're good on bigs
3 centers isn’t enough??? during the playoffs i’m sure Perkins can play 30 minutes and Shaq can play 18 we NEED a small forward we’re fine on bigs
I took that to mean
that Danny knows more than we do about the health of Shaq/Semih/JO and is confident they’ll be able to contribute when needed. So that’s actually reassuring.
He is, however, expressing distinct concern and uncertainty about Quissy. That’s not reassuring.
Let's join the Melo bandwagon...
A multi-team deal with the major team players being NY & Denver of course and a “stopover” at Boston hehe. I have no idea who else can be involved or who we can offer but yeah hehe.. Well, just imagine if we can get K. Mart out of Denver via that deal?! I know… i know.. impossible haha! Maybe it’s just ‘cos i saw Martin’s solid game on the highlights section of Denver’s game yesterday
DO IT! DO IT!
parker’s an excellent shooter. He deserves to play on a championship team and i want him to win a ring.
what will you give us?
I love the Lakers and the Clippers. Why? They lost to the Cavs. And the Clippers kicked the Heat's ass!
A promise to bounce Miami from the playoffs?
Sound good?
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
+1 haha!
Works for me
Conditional 2nd rounder?
by Warrior Spirit on Feb 17, 2011 6:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
3 centers enough....
No, not when most of them are injury prone or old. You can never have enough size. It doesn’t matter anyways. We aren’t getting another big. Parker, etc. is more realistic financial wise.
If Murphy gets bought out, it's entirely possible to get another.
But you’re right, I think a back up SF is the primary concern.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Realism
We don’t have to look for perfection in a trade. We need a player who can give Pierce and Allen rest time as well as play a little (or maybe a lot) of defense and at least be a scoring threat. After all, Quis didn’t come into too many games and change the world. He played solid defense and was a threat to score driving down low. Come playoff time, we need ten minutes per game of pure intensity, like what Tony Allen gave us last year. I think a lot of players out there, given Doc’s coaching and KG’s intensity, can live up to what we need. I say we get a good player while giving up the least. I don’t like the idea of blowing up the bench in hopes of getting a game changing player. We don’t need a game changing player. We have at least three of those right now, possibly four and maybe five when and if a healthy Shaq starts smelling a healthy that next ring.
True, and Parker can do that.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
He played like
a 25 year old last night against the Lakers. He’s got the timely jump shot in stressful times that Posey hit. He maybe older than a Posey,but looks like he has more in the tank.
I have come to the conclusion....besides Quisy situation...we should stand as we are
play the cards we have been dealt and let desitny take care of the rest….18
Is it Soup Yet?
Yea maybe
It sounds like this from Ainge asked about Sheed. He says not going down. The team is full of bigs he says. That means maybe J.O is on the right track to be healthy? Don’t know. We will make a minor move. If Marquis is okay to play by Late March he will still make a small move. The three guys he might move? NATE/BRADLEY/LUKE. Maybe Von too. Move one of the guys for either a roster space kind of move or for a player straight up.
Realistically If we waive Gody to free up a roster spot, is anyone really gonna pick him up this season?
No is the answer I am looking for.
by Warrior Spirit on Feb 17, 2011 6:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I came to the same conclusion, I think several of us have. I still like our team’s chances.
by Warrior Spirit on Feb 17, 2011 6:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oddly though I do kind of enjoy this process of discussing holes, refuting outlandinsh malarky proposals and discussing interesting possibilities. Point blank, there are very few players in the league I would trade for and most of those will not definetly be available. I do not just make a move to make a move as there is more than just length to consider, defense, team chemistry, picking up a complicated system with 26 games left.
If Danny didnt sound very optimistic about Quisy, than it doesnt look good. I think he in fact would still want us to win the chip and be willing to be bought out to help even if it hurts, and it will. If we make a small move to sort this out that is one thing (and pray it is Battier, lol) other than that, I agree with Po, stand pat, and let the chimps fall where they may.
by Warrior Spirit on Feb 17, 2011 6:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dan Gilbert
The biggest bone he can throw us is giving us ANYTHING in return for JO.
I want to keep this team together except i would be willing to trade JO for a back up SF. I really like everything else about this team and Nate wont be able to fire up so many threes when Delonte comes back, he will be controlling the ball with the 2nd unit.
"Be willing to trade JO for a back up SF"
Is kinda like saying “Ya, I’d be willing to go on a date with Brooklyn Decker” No kidding? Really?
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Obviously everyone wants to but Im saying i wouldnt want to make any other moves.
by celticsox937 on Feb 17, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
don wanne burst the optimism.. But remember mikal finly in finals wen he was defending farmar and brown?? Didnt work out... Id however give nate, quizz, and gody for moon and parker.. Any1 agree?
by 81bos on Feb 17, 2011 11:22 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Noones taking Nates deal with 4.5mil guaranteed next year.
Not gonna happen.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
No need to worry guys.
Cleveland will gift us and Chicago a player or two, to help us beat el-BJ.
by Celtics own the refs on Feb 22, 2011 6:35 AM EST reply actions
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