Danny "Agonized" Over Deal, Perkins Shed Tears
by Jeff Clark on Feb 24, 2011 10:49 PM EST
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Talk about an emotional day. Reports are that the veterans on the Celtics were "livid" with the news of the trade.
Here are Danny's remarks on WEEI about it.
Ainge: "Agonized" over Perkins deal -Celtics blog - Boston Globe basketball news
"[Perkins] wasn’t interested in doing a contract extension," Ainge said. "He wanted to test the market." It was reported that the Perkins rejected a four-year $22 million offer from the team. Perkins was reportedly asking for $30 million over the same period. "It's tough to play the O'Neals and Perk at the same time," Ainge said. "Shaq has proven to be better with our starters. We beat all of the top teams without Kendrick."
Do I even need to bother pointing out that we won a Championship WITH Kendrick? (and lost game 7 without him)
He went on to mention that he "shed some tears" when they told Perkins about it. They weren't the only ones.
BostonHerald.com - Blogs: Celtics Insider" Blog Archive " Perk upset; Nate bids adieu
"He’s taking it pretty hard because he’s been here eight years," Robinson just said while checking out of the team hotel in Denver. "He was very emotional, crying. He has to move his family, and he’s been really tight with Rondo and other guys on the team"
It is official: The OKC Thunder are my favorite Western Conference team. You can follow them on Welcome to Loud City.
Oh yeah, and the Celtics signed someone named Chris Johnson today. 10 day contract. So there's that.
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teams that are missing the playoffs
should get rid of their important players who they cant hold onto. Teams with the best record in conference, keep their pieces together. Screw DA.
Actually powe started in alot of those finals games
by stylo617617 on Feb 24, 2011 10:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Danny's Comments
"We shed some tears today," Ainge said after he told Perkins of his trade to Oklahoma City. "He’s a good kid and is going to a great situation."
Kinda smelled like “And he’s gonna go to a farm, where he can chase all the sheep and cows and stuff he wants! And he’ll have plenty of room to run around, and eat all the treats he can handle!”
Still really is just a gut punch.
Reporter: About a year ago I asked about the Celtics-Lakers thing and you said you'd really only seen it on TV. Now you've been through it, can you talk about playing the Boston Celtics for the NBA championship?
Kobe: It Sucks.
yeah
I actually wish they had traded him to a team trying to blow it up – then they might have bought out Perkins
oh well
Faith and Sports - an essay by Jeff Clark
He's going to a great situation playing alongside Durant and Westbrook in a weakened Western Conference
Of course it’d be better if he was still a Celtic, but it’s not like he got the Baron Davis treatment.
by post-it note on Feb 25, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
speaking of emotions
remember to try to express yourselves in a way that doesn’t take out frustrations on others
just a little reminder from your uncle Jeff
Faith and Sports - an essay by Jeff Clark
Thanks Uncle Jeff!
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
I don't know if Perk "reportedly" would have taken 4 years, $30 million...
… but if he would have, Danny is an absolute idiot for not giving it to him.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
True.
I was thinking 5 yrs, 50 was what he wanted. If 4 yrs 30 was the deal…yikes.
Reporter: About a year ago I asked about the Celtics-Lakers thing and you said you'd really only seen it on TV. Now you've been through it, can you talk about playing the Boston Celtics for the NBA championship?
Kobe: It Sucks.
by Tom Bellinger on Feb 24, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
Really? Wow. 4 at 30 is at the absolute outside of what I would have been willing to consider for Perkins. But then, I like the trade..
i also like the trade
the team did well before perk came back and was doing well with nate having a weak season. the talent they’re getting back is superior, especially at the offensive end. not to mention that it’s almost a guarantee that somebody else will also be signed. it will take a little time for these guys to gel, but the playoffs should be fun.
there’s a lot of venom for DA right now, but i think we’ll all be pretty happy after the season.
BK: This guy is on fire, he is really smokin'.
KenKo: Oh yeah, Bill? What's he smokin'?
With the looming lockout and new CBA
I see his hesitation to give Perk big money. BUT STILL. Perk deserved that, and DA should have given him what he deserved.
Perk testing Free Agency is what may have worried DA. Perk seems to have a lot of suitors who are more than willing to pay him big.
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot."
- Bill Russell
by Marjun Raposon on Feb 24, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
AFAIK the 4yr $22million was the max the C's could offer as an extension based on CBA
If Danny is convinced Perk will test FA in the summer, I think DA may have done this partially to keep him away from Miami or NY. Who wouldn’t resign with KD, Westbrook and an up and coming team?
Boston owns Perk's Bird Rights.
Well, owned, anyways. Boston could have paid as far over the cap as they were willing to.
by buster.jonez on Feb 24, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
This summer, yes...
Not on an in-season extension, though. $23.4 million was the most we could offer.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
There may be no Bird Right's after the CBA expires
Believe me, I don’t like the trade either, but can we not win the title without Perk? We did get a decent player in Green. There is also the waiver wire. Also can’t ignore the potential (low) lottery pick in 2012. Just trying to stay positive.
The main point ultimately is that as a free agent
Perk almost certainly would have gotten an offer at at least $8M per, and maybe $10M per and that was going to be more of a cap hit than Danny wants to carry post 2012.
So now its about just patchwork Centers until they go after Dwight when he is a FA.
A team built around Rondo + Green + Dwight could be a pretty formidable unit.
This also makes it more likely that BBD gets resigned.
"We will take it easy, and walk on down our road at our pace with our focus ahead, and your focus on us." - Warrior Spirit, on what Celtics' Ubuntu is.
+1
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot."
- Bill Russell
by Marjun Raposon on Feb 25, 2011 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
There you go
Danny could have done some things to tweek the team, but what happens in the off season if Perk gets a 10M/5 year deal. That eliminates any possible cap space – Perk, Rondo and PP would account for 38M with cap holds etc he can’t go after a stud – read Dwight Howard. Also Perk real value is in defense and he is still very limited offensively. I’m not knocking Perk; I love Perk but not at 10M per year.
Hopefully we will have a late lottery pick this season and our own 1st and I believe 3 second round picks. This is Danny at his best acquiring pieces and trying to reload on the fly while we still have a productive Big 3.
I didn’t want to see Semih traded, but the other part of these transactions are the ability to fill out the roster with bought out vets – Troy Murphy, Rip, Kapono, Mo Pete, and several others names that may be available. Signing Murphy keeps him from Orlando, who really needs another big.
The bottom line is that we still have 4 current All Stars, 2 former All Star Centers that hopefully will be back, a young, athletic forward to help in the transition from the Big 3 to Rondo and XXXX, a lottery pick and extra second round picks.
Lastly, in Danny I trust!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Danny does know what he’s doing and guarantee you he has a plan. I don’t think the plan is worried too much about banner 18. I think it has to do with banners 19, 20 and … . And yes, we have to get 18 before the others, but this team has the vets and the talent, even without Perk to win it THIS YEAR!
Good post analyzing the trade of Perk
Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live: I don’t like it. If it was simply to make room for Shaq to start, it’s a terrible trade. If it was about not re-signing Perkins this summer, it was a terrible trade because they could sign-and-trade. If it was about making sure Jeff Green is a part of the future, I don’t get it at all. If it was about Perk’s knees, I say keep him for the playoffs since he’s expiring.
Danny wants offense
obviously the question of who starts in the playoffs
is answered..I’m sure you guys saw Danny on pre-game.
Tommy seemed bummed about losing Nate unnecessarily.
Ainge explained that also..
what can we say, Danny Ainge calls all the shots for this team,
and that’s all there is to it.
Personally I would have given Perk 30.
i might add
Danny gives out too much Jermaine love.
“he’s only 31” “he’ll be back with good knees”
as if trying to justify his blunder
I want offense too!
If Jo and Shaq are healthy, GG : )
Really?....
We really let our starting young and improving center go over not giving him 7 1/2 million a year. Thats a mere 2 mil over the MLE… and he’s one of the best defensive centers in the league…
The funny thing is we will spend much more than that trying to find quality guys to fill minutes in that role next year, when we had a sure thing…
you think they can make a run at howard i can only think danny is clearing cap space for 2012 cause this justs baffles me .
lohaus #54
They could have just let Perk walk
No need to give him up this season. Jeff Green will want a raise, too.
but he's under contract until kg and allen are FA's
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Feb 25, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
Well, not necessarily true...
He’s a restricted free agent, which means he can sign with another team in the off-season. We’ll simply have the right to match, but in theory he could get a big offer and force our hand.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
true
but they also freed up $6m next year by doing these trades. depends on what they are willing to spend and how i guess.
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Feb 25, 2011 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
this just in nba tv is reporting the cavs waived leon powe any shot we take him back just saw it now i say yes to that one .
lohaus #54
I wouldn't mind getting Power back
He barely played on the Cavs because they just didn’t use him at all. I think it would be good to bring him in if Danny can’t pick up Troy Murphy. Either way though that Johnson kid is playing pretty solid for his first game as a Celtic
Get Powe back for what...??
To add to the Celts reoster of oft-injured plyers?
by KubuliCeltic on Feb 25, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
So upset can't even type right.
Thats roster and players…lol.
by KubuliCeltic on Feb 25, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
I'm liking this Chris Johnson kid!
Media - "How does it feel to be that fast?"
CJ - "It feel real good."
by nathangouge on Feb 24, 2011 11:23 PM EST via mobile reply actions
yeah, he's a rebounder shot blocker.
17 points, 10 rebounds, 3 blocks a game in the D. runs very well, kinda reminds me of a young camby.
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Feb 24, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
skinny as all heck
but he played well tonight.
Stepped right in and played with the big boys.
Looked out of position on a few possessions, but that’s not surprising, given the circumstances.
"We will take it easy, and walk on down our road at our pace with our focus ahead, and your focus on us." - Warrior Spirit, on what Celtics' Ubuntu is.
Somebody Please give that kid a Big Mac...
he’s too damn skinny!!! But he looked promising tonight.
by KubuliCeltic on Feb 25, 2011 1:44 AM EST up reply actions
Unbelievable man
stressed from work, opens up cblog and this. Life sucks! Go Boston and OKC!
"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing." - Vince Lombardi
Just to clarify
Sorry, I forget about what Bird Rights mean. But my main question is: Could Ainge afford Perkins at $30/4 years or not, under the CBA, under the cap, under the rainbow, whatever.
Bird Rights - a player has to be with at team at least 3 years, and the team can sign.
the way I understand it, the current CBA only allows up to 22M for four years max. Though I’m not sure if the C’s can exceed that amount if they sign Perk in the offseason.
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot."
- Bill Russell
by Marjun Raposon on Feb 24, 2011 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
They can only offer $23.4 million during the season...
… during the off-season, he’s eligible for a 6 year “max” contract, which starts somewhere around $16 million per season. (Obviously, nobody would ever go that high.)
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
LMAO
Give me a break. This is the same BS Ainge claimed when he traded Walker.
When are people going to learn Ainge is an idiot.?
He got lucky that Kevin McHale was inept at his job and deep down inside you know that is true.
Perkins was over-rated. He was a product of the team that surrounded him. He will make no difference but Ainge’s BS on the radio is Classic double talk. Ainge is famous for that.
So, Ainge is an idiot for trading an overrated Perk?
If Perk was overrated then I believe Ainge made a good decision, right?
trading walker was one of ainges best moves
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Feb 24, 2011 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
I agree & I think Ainge has made mostly solid moves
with a few exceptions. Even though I sruggle with this latest move (I like Perk) I think Ainge made the best move for the C’s. Perk’s health was questionable, his PT would be limited, and he was gone at years end. Jeff Green is a good pick up.
Getting rid of Walker was
But taking on Raef’s contract was a big mistake. It worked out okay, eventually turning into KG, but that was completely unpredictable. Raef’s contract was an albatross.
Ainge is not an Idiot
There are reasons that certain teams win year in and year out. It’s called good management. Teams like the Lakers and Spurs, that’s why they keep winning. We had that until the mid 90 and then everything went to hell in a hand basket. Do you remember being in the lottery year after year. How did you like that or are you a Johnny come Lately fan.
I listened to the Danny clips and I do believe it was hard for him to trade Perk. But he did it for the present and future of the team. As for the present, we know have a young, athletic forward who can match up with some of the better SFs in the NBA – Bron, Deng, Melo, and maybe even Kobe. I’m sure Danny expects Shaq and JO back and productive for the playoffs. And then there is the possible 5 picks in the draft this year, including possibly a later lottery.
Danny is also trying to manage Cap Space. In 2012, Dwight Howard will be available and Shaq and Jo will be retired. How about Rondo, DH, and Green as the next Big 3? I’m just speculating here, but if Danny felt that someone might or probably would give Perk a 10M/5yr deal or more doesn’t it make sense to move Perk now or should he wait and lose him like Cleve or Toronto. BTW how has that worked out for those team. What did Utah just do with DWill? even Denver trading Melo to NY was probably better for Denver than a S&T deal this summer.
Also, Perk is in a great situation. OKC needed a big man and has cap space to sign him. Danny didn’t send him to Cleve or Sacto, but to a contenber. People keep bring up how he was so bad to Employee #8. He traded him twice to Dallas where he had a chance at a title and to Miami which won the title and he got a really nice contract. So Yeah Danny is really a sob!
So why don’t we all get over the shock and look at the deal objectvely. IF (BIG IF) Shaq and JO come back and are healthy for the playoffs does anyone here believe we can’t win the Championship with this team? Let’s face it, if Perk’s MCL sprain was a tear and he required surgery, everyone on this board would be spooting that we’ll be fine when he get Shaq and JO back. So what’s the difference – we have JG and extra picks to reload and not rebuild.
trading perk means danny proably chose between baby and perk. i hate to see the big guy go. why semih? you got me.
Semih's trade also baffled me.
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot."
- Bill Russell
by Marjun Raposon on Feb 24, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
True. But the upside! Sigh.
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot."
- Bill Russell
by Marjun Raposon on Feb 24, 2011 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
semih was looking like a nice little project
BK: This guy is on fire, he is really smokin'.
KenKo: Oh yeah, Bill? What's he smokin'?
Besides, we now have 3 free roster space
It is reported that the C’s might be looking for buyouts for a big and a wing (2 positions). And recently it is reported that the C’s signed a player (I don’t know who) for a 10-day contract.
Soooo. That 10-day player for Semih’s spot?
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot."
- Bill Russell
by Marjun Raposon on Feb 24, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
My only guess is that Ainge
has guys in mind that have a bigger upside. Hard to figure since Semih played well. However, If the C’s sign Murphy and get Shaq healthy things could work out just fine.
The C’s needed another athletic guy who could score and defend. And, I did question the amount of playing time Perk would get in the playoffs since Shaq was playing really well. Perhaps a healthy shaq and an athletic Green helps.
Hoping for the best.
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot."
- Bill Russell
by Marjun Raposon on Feb 25, 2011 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
Makes no sense to me either
Could have just cut Luke. No need to give up Semih too.
Yes. I saw that but I didn't bother to scroll back up to re-read the name as I was typing the comment.
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot."
- Bill Russell
by Marjun Raposon on Feb 25, 2011 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
That wasn't the case
We wouldn’t send him to Houston for Courtney Lee.
Reporter: About a year ago I asked about the Celtics-Lakers thing and you said you'd really only seen it on TV. Now you've been through it, can you talk about playing the Boston Celtics for the NBA championship?
Kobe: It Sucks.
by Tom Bellinger on Feb 24, 2011 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
Green is signed till next year
Mr. Battier is not. I think that may have played a part into it, and if Green works out, we have him for another year!
Honestly does this make sense
He won’t fit with rondo in the future. He’s only good with veterans around him. I have a feeling it won’t work out. Rondo needs like a d Howard type of guy. Correct if you want but DA knows what’s he’s doing. Yea were all depress but he got us ray and kg. I’m really sad about this. We need 18 bad!!! I’m sorry guys!!! We can get threw this.
by CBleedsGreeN on Feb 24, 2011 11:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Sorry 4 doing 4 times something is wrong with my iPhone
by CBleedsGreeN on Feb 24, 2011 11:58 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Yikes
But yes, we can get through this. In a week, we may have the roster we go to war with, and we may very well like it.
I stand not worried.
I'm not ready to surender with this team we have
I still like are chances. Whatever we have, I’m with it!!! Were gonna bring are Amos. If your not with it, it’s fine with me. Ubuntu!!!!
by CBleedsGreeN on Feb 25, 2011 12:19 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Looking for more DA moves to come.
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot."
- Bill Russell
by Marjun Raposon on Feb 25, 2011 12:27 AM EST reply actions
Incolsolable
It has been a while since i posted on CelticsBlog, but this trade has taken me out of retirement.
Perk was my favorite Celtic aside from Rondo, and I was psyched to see him and Rondo forge a new path for the Cs after the big three was gone. Now I’ll never get to see that. Personally, this trade will never be forgiven, and Danny Ainge better bring us another banner, lest i denounce him a Full On Fool.
Perk is my boy. Tough as nails. Doesn’t talk a lot. Doesn’t make friends with opposing teams. Defends the best centers in the league with a scowl.
Just another reason why I have a love/hate relationship with Professional Sports. ftw
dont want him
he was good for us and i like him but he’s undersized, has injury problems and couldnt even get minutes for cleveland. id prefer it if we add a little more hieght and someone without the injury issue if possible, we have enough injury worries
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Feb 25, 2011 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
agonized
Jeff.. youre coming across pretty agonized as well.
understandable… I def feel like I took a shot in the gut.
I’m hoping for a bright side post over the weekend…
I think its a gamble for sure, but could prove a shrewd big picture move that keeps us competing for a title this year.
Great loss against Denver tonight, Danny
Oh wait, I forgot that we will now have a couple of guys who can’t play defense, couple of future draft picks, and some cash for the playoffs this year. I stand corrected.
-1
yes, its because semih n luke didnt play…thats why we lost. I liked perk, but I can understand how overrated u guys make him out to be
by Kgwillkillyou on Feb 25, 2011 1:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
good points
Just venting. I liked Nate and our starting 5. Doesn’t seem smart to dismantle the #1 team in the east without getting something big in return.
when you still have 5 of your top 6 rotation players
that hardly counts as a ‘dismantling’.
Even less so when you retain the 5 guys who have logged the most minutes.
"We will take it easy, and walk on down our road at our pace with our focus ahead, and your focus on us." - Warrior Spirit, on what Celtics' Ubuntu is.
1/5 of a team is still significant
I don’t want to get into an argument about semantics, and I hope I eat crow, but right now I’m not seeing the silver lining.
I just hope if reports...
of vets being livid of Perk being traded are true it will not lead to any bad blood between them and Danny or any negative chemistry issues.
Thats what Perk gets
For not signing the extension. Thinking he’s more than what he’s actually worth. And now he wants to get emotional when they trade him. Makes no sense
Anything over 100,000 for any palyer is too much...
Did we forget this is a GAME…they play all day long for work?!?!?
by Ol' Green Boyz on Feb 25, 2011 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
They won't.
Looks like he has more moves in his sleeve.
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot."
- Bill Russell
by Marjun Raposon on Feb 25, 2011 1:21 AM EST up reply actions
think about it?
My feelings towards the Perk deal has moved from utter disgust to hope and now back to anxiety. Think about this fellow Celtics fans. Which team last won the NBA title by tinkering with their starting line-up in the trade deadline? . . . at least not the last 6 title teams. Which means that the Perk deal, while maybe a good move for the future, doesn’t augur well for the drive to the title this year. Not with more strong contenders in the East. I hope I’m wrong!
Celtics were 33-10
Without him and with Shaq on the lineup. The Big 4 have all been shooting a higher percentage with Shaq on the floor
by OsirusCeltics on Feb 25, 2011 1:38 AM EST up reply actions
Has Shaq been on the floor lately?
No, which is why the trade is concerning. There’s a lot of pressure on the O’Neals to stay healthy now and so far it’s been the exact opposite.
"tinkering with the starting lineup"
Well, 4/5 of the starting lineup hasn’t changed.
The other 1/5 has not been stable all year, and Perkins has only been in that role for what? 8 Games?
So I don’t know if this really qualifies as tinkering with the starting lineup. We’ll continue to have a shaky 5 spot until the playoffs when Shaq, if healthy, will be the starter. The other starters are set.
This trade was far more about shoring up the bench. We now have much more solid depth at the SF spot and assuming we get Murphy we’ll have very solid, and healthy depth at C. Further, if we can stop having to use BBD at center, then he becomes more solid depth at PF.
"We will take it easy, and walk on down our road at our pace with our focus ahead, and your focus on us." - Warrior Spirit, on what Celtics' Ubuntu is.
I Have Faith In Danny. This is not over. I think he has another trick up his sleeve. We saw Ray Allen come over, and that day everyone was screaming the same things here – Danny Death Threat Syndrome, it is called, DDTS. Soon after, he was a genius again when KG arrived.
This is not over. What is the next piece? I think it is already in place, just the announcements and formalities have not been finished. I think the Celtics brass are working 2 steps ahead in this chess game.
+1
hope
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot."
- Bill Russell
by Marjun Raposon on Feb 25, 2011 1:36 AM EST up reply actions
More than money was involved....Also, Wyc had the final say
Between his shoulder and knees, Perk`s injuries have been a huge disruption.
Yes, he`s better than his stats, but he CAN be replaced.
JO will be back from surgery in another month…plus Shaq…plus Krstic..plus whoever else DA acquires.
Can we sign any waived free agent now?
now that the trade deadline is done? or is there another waiting time? cos we do need to fill in those 3 spots asap
in order to be signed in time to be eligible for playoff rosters
guys have to be bought out & released by March 1.
"We will take it easy, and walk on down our road at our pace with our focus ahead, and your focus on us." - Warrior Spirit, on what Celtics' Ubuntu is.
Perk is gone
We need to accept it. Danny Ainge has a plan. He isn’t just going to destroy this 2010-2011 team that had a real chance a winning it. There is something else in the works. Ainge is beginning to plan for the future, while still remaining competitive. I don’t want to win a championship and then turn into a lotto team 2 or 3 years from now. I’d rather be competitive each season, knowing that the best team was out there, even if they came up short. If Ainge does not rebuild properly, this team will be back in lotto city….this means giving up, at some point or another, key pieces.
Kid, I own the police.
Ainge ... I don't suppose you read this but ....
This is the most bizarre trade I can recall. You have a team that was within one win of a championship last year. They have the 2nd best record and a leg up against Miami, Chicago, and Orlando with Perkins getting back to his old form and perhaps better (you do realize he is getting better every year I would assume). The Celtics had a starting group that knows eachother well is gelled and plays well together. You blow that up for the future?!!! Well the future is NOW. Allen, Pierce, and Garnett had this last good shot and might even be the most likely team in the NBA to win it all. Even if you could not sign Perkins again you are trading a very good chance of a championship for a long outside chance. It is unlikely the new units will gel in time. Plus Perkins together with Garnett was the heart of the Celtics strength of solid defence and this is the way they won. Unbelievable. I am in shock as a long time fan and very very unhappy. You should be crying since you took a stupid risk that is unlikely to pay off.
The other trades I am part ok with though a 2nd round pick is worthless for a team built for a last run. Yes you have some luck with 2nd rounders (and good for you) but you traded ones what worked at that position for a future maybe. The only thing I think which could work now is to bring back Sheed (if he were in shape and we all know the prospect of that) since he is familiar with the system and can play defence (though we saw how well he could rebound relative to Perkins the last two games of the final last year no?).
Quite frankly I am so disgusted II am not sure if I will want to watch Celtics games for some time. Surely you also realized you were going to upset the effective core of the team too and lose games/standing in this insane move? Yes, you may not sink all the way to the bottom in 2013 now but for a good shot at a championship I would have a leaner rebuilding period. This just makes no sense.
A totally disgusted longtime Celtics fan.
by Celtics_fan_in_cali on Feb 25, 2011 2:38 AM EST reply actions
Footnote ....
One should also note that the other teams in serious contention for a title: San Antonio, Miami, Chicago, LA that none of them traded away anyone significant. Why should they? NOBODY with sense trades away for unlikely what ifs when they have a legitimate chance at a title. You traded a starter and one of the Celtics strengths. It is unheard of that a team in a position like the Celtics now trades 5 players and one starter at the deadline.
No Way is Shaq as good as Perkins now. Defensively and rebounding there is no comparison. Not even close even with Perkins working back to form. Plus Shaq is brittle and a big risk to assume regular production from when you need it. J. O’Neil is all but done too and the Celtics will be lucky to see much from him. Offensively, Perkins is now much more reliable from the charity line than Shaq and has more range and more consistent production now (though Shaq’s upper bound on a good day is better the Celtics do not need that scoring as much).
by Celtics_fan_in_cali on Feb 25, 2011 3:12 AM EST up reply actions
Totally Disgusted
Why not objectively look at the trade and the season to date. Perks been back about 10 days and our record was pretty good without him and that’s with all the injuries including the one that kept him out 40 games.
I’m sure Danny is counting on Shaq and JO and those are BIG IFS. But assuming they come back and can man the center spot and we pick up Troy Murphy and another vet Rip, Kapono, Moon, Butler or … . Plus we have Green to backup PP, which is critical in my mind. Everyone talked about how we lost the playoffs last year because Perk was hurt, but once Quisy went down PP and Ray had to play longer minutes and I think it wore them down. Neither had a big game in game 7 if one or both had we would have won banner 18 without Perk.
Don’t get me wrong I love Perk, and I was shocked to see him traded. But I think Danny had a pretty good idea what Perk wanted to resign and he was hesitant to give it to him. When this deal came up he felt it was too good to pass up, especially getting Jeff Green and all the draft picks. Now maybe we get a chance to reload on the fly and saving Cap Space for someone like Dwight Howard. He also opened some roster spots for Vets he is sure will be released that can help this year.
Just one question, what are you going to say if and when the Celts win #18 this year?!!!!!!!!!!!
Good Riddance
So he shed tears….well if he wanted to stay with the C’s so bad why didn’t he just sign the 4 year 22 mil offer? But no 22 mil aint enough….he wanted 30 mil, even though 22 mil should be enough to guarantee that he and his family live the rest of his life in luxury. What is it with the rich? No matter how much they have they always want more….doesn’t 22 mil buy enough mansions???
So good bye Perk. Thanks for yur efforts but clearly money meant more to you than the bonds you formed with your teammates and possibly playing your whole career for one of the great NBA franchises. Theres no use crying now, u had your chance to stay but u blew it…the C’s have moved on.
Danny effed it up
We would have won a championship with the team we had and the chemistry. Injuries notwithstanding. This is the kind of thing you do when you are not competing. Just find someone for Daniels and we were all set
If it aint broke – don’t fix it.
Bye bye championship. Lakers fans must be having orgasms now
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