The Celtics are better today, for this year, than they were yesterday
That title is controversial. Yesterday, immediately after the trade, I was very confident that it was also true. Today my feelings are more nuanced, and being long-winded I'm going to explore them here, but in the end I still think the trades put the Celtics in a better place...with caveats. But enough hemming and hawing, lets get into this.
Every analyst that I've seen review this trade almost universally says that the Celtics lost their edge with Perk. Last night Kenny Smith said that the Celtics were built on defense and intimidation, but that without Perkins they no longer have that. Danny Ainge has been publicly spinning this deal as a move made for the future since the team wasn't sure they could keep Perk. Roy Hobbs has a well-written article on the main page comparing this trade to trading an older Larry Bird or Kevin Mchale, thus completely changing the face of the franchise by trading fading icons. I only have one problem with this narrative...
I think it's wrong.
And I say that with utmost respect and care, because there is some kernel of truth there (and obviously Danny is the one that made the trade, so presumbably he knows his real motives better than me). Yes, Perkins contributed to the edge the Cs play with. More importantly, he is part of the FAMILY. He's been there through this whole ride, even before 2007. This was his home, and his teammates loved him like a brother. Losing that HURTS, and I do worry about how the real-life players (not mindless basketball automotons) will deal with this. That, along with the very real question of the health of the O'Neals are the two biggest worries that I have about the deal.
But, all of that said, as far as actual on-court production...for want of a better way to say it, Perkins just isn't as crucial as he has been made out to be. I do believe that if Perk were healthy we'd have won #18 last year, but I believe that if ANY replacement-caliber NBA 7-footer were there in his place the team would have won it as well. Perkins is not, was not, and never was going to be the key to the defense. Or even A key to the defense. He was a solid role player, but ultimately that's what he was...a role player. He was tall and big, and despite his other intangibles this was the biggest contribution from him. We now have reams and reams of evidence over the past 4 years...if you put Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, and Rajon Rondo on the court, if you put ANY big with them they were going to have an elite defense. Whether that fifth player was Kendrick Perkins or some combo of Glen Davis, Shaquille O'Neal, Semih Erden, Leon Powe and/or Jermaine O'Neal...hasn't mattered in the slightest. Over sample sizes of thousands of minutes...Perkins just doesn't make a big difference in the level of defense that the Celtics put on the floor.
Now, this is a powerful result. It can't really be overstated. Because on the court, the one thing that Perkins could hang his hat on was his defensive impact. But if the team is just as strong defensively without him...and every reasonable shred of evidence says that they are...then suddenly his presence isn't necessary. Again, this is purely "Perkins the basketball player, on the court" that I'm judging here. Perkins the man was a key part of the team, and will be missed. But Perkins the basketball player...frankly, he was replaceable. And thus, expendable.
Entering yesterday, the Celtics had some clear weaknesses for this season. The biggest in my mind was the lack of a backup small forward. It wasn't a prohibitive worry, but it was a clear team need and put an undue stress on Pierce staying healthy and playing big minutes. The team also had a short-term shortage of bigs, with both O'Neals and Perk out for the interim with Semih hobbling as well. Presumably the bigs would eventually get healthy and become a strength again, but in the short term it was another weakness.
Now, fast-forward to after the moves. Our forward position is solidified now in a way that it hasn't been since Posey, and may be even stronger yet. In my opinion Jeff Green is a starting caliber small forward, one that can be an impact player as a 6th man that could make an even bigger impact in case of injury. He is the piece of the puzzle that, to me, has received shortest shrift around here. I know that Perk is a known quantity, but I think Green could make a bigger impact on this team for this year than Perk. He is a better basketball player, and also fits a team need.
I am not a huge fan of Nenad Krstic, but in the scheme of things I don't think he is replacing Perk. I think he is replacing Semih. Either way, though, Krstic is an NBA-tested center that is 7-feet tall and can move. Again, refer to what I mentioned above...our defense has been just as strong on the whole with players like Davis as it was with Perk (I didn't post the numbers, but I could if anyone is curious). Krstic is not a good defender, but he is as good as the Baby's and Powe's of the world with the additional benefit of actually being 7-foot.
Then, there is the Danny Ainge factor. I have to take it on faith that Ainge isn't a complete idiot, and that he has access to more information than I do. Because for him to trade both Perk AND Semih (and even Luke), that would make absolutely no sense if he weren't very confident that we would have sufficient big men moving forward. Right now our big men are Garnett, Baby, Krstic, Shaq, Jermaine and the 10-day guy. I am uncomfortable with Shaq and Jermaine because they are currently injured, and I can't know what to expect from them moving forward. But Danny has access to their whole stories, so he should have a better idea. Plus, the trades yesterday opened up 3 full roster spots for the Celtics. Like everyone I hear the Troy Murphy and Rasheed Wallace rumors, but I frankly have no clue as to their validity...but again, Danny does. Maybe I'm giving Danny too much credit, but I simply can't believe that he would plan to go through the rest of this season with only Krstic, Baby, Garnett and 10-day contract guys as bigs. To me, that would be asinine on a level that I'm going to credit that Danny isn't.
So ultimately, that's where I am. I ache for Perk the person, I worry about how the trade of their brother might affect the rest of the Celtics' mindsets, and I recognize that at my level of knowledge the remaining bigs look thin. But I also recognize that Perkins' actual on-court contributions are not as impactful as the narrative would suggest, that in-fact his contributions were very replaceable. I recognize that the 2 players that the Cs got back, purely on the basketball court, should make the team better this year than they would have been with just Perk. And I'm making the perhaps dangerous assumption that Danny Ainge isn't Lenny from Of Mice and Men (i.e. that he's not open-mouthed stupid), so to his level of knowledge we must have enough big bodies either getting healthy or on the way that size isn't an issue. With Shaquille O'Neal and Troy Murphy, for example, my headline is true. With some semblance of Jermaine O'Neal and Rasheed Wallace, my story is still true.
In other words, if there are 2 more NBA-caliber big men available to the Celtics moving forward in addition to KG/Baby/Krstic then we are a better basketball team moving forward than we would have been keeping Perk. And that's better this year, not just in the future. There are no guarantees, but from the things that I do know I'm pretty comfortable that this trade wasn't just folly or a misguided attempt at building for the future. And that #18 is very much still squarely in our sites.
Be respectful and keep it clean. Thanks.
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Why dump Semih & Luke for one 2nd round draft choice?
Nice thoughtful post, drza44. I know the Perk departure is the big story, but I wish someone would explain why Semih and Luke got dumped for a measley 2nd round draft choice.
Because he is had to make room for people.
This is not hard.
Next week or so there will be new celtics coming in. Atleast 2
Murphy and Camby would make me forget about semih and gody pretty quick.
Semih injured. Luke useless for playoff run.
by BudweiserCeltic on Feb 27, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
My thoughts exactly- very well put drza44
That saved me a lot of time and thought as to how to put my feelings into words after reading about the trades and moves. Yes, it felt bad losing a guy like Perkins who has been through the ‘wars’ with us, but the team consist of professionals, and they all know that moves are made, and players get traded, so the initial hard feelings will wear off as the team gears up for the championship run.
Apart from gaining a solid back up to P. Pierce, which was vital, and gaining another 7 footer in exchange for Robinson [ who I had lost patience with already – great athleticism, but totally limited as a player – low BB i.q., etc. ] and Perk, who will be missed, but somehow I felt that his future as a Celtic was limited [ speaking both financially and injuries, and / or both ] the moves left three roster spots open.
That, to me, was a sign that Ainge, who is no fool, has a few plans that we still don’t know about. Let’s face it- did anybody anticipate the moves he made until now? Anyone who says yes is an absolute liar.
Quisy was expendable, as he will likely be out for the rest of the season anyway, so why wait? Erden is damaged goods, as apart from his shoulder and assorted other injuries, he’d be a work in progress in the next year or two – Krstic answers that question more than adequately, as he can score, and with Garnett providing his inimitable help defense, will not be a defensive liability. Gody- well, let’s face it, has some potentail, but is limited, so, no loss there, if we can upgrade on the cheap at this stage.
Now it’s time for the other shoe to drop. That means, we’re all going to be in this waiting game, to see what additional moves Danny will be making. Everything from here on in is pure conjecture. Let Danny do his job.
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Don't press the panic button, give it time!
I feel exactly the same way.
Perkins was not the same player he was last year.
His defense was still excellent, but he his limited lateral/vertical movement has really hindered his defensive abilities, particularly in 1 v 1 situations like dwight howard.
He was blocking up the middle too much on offense and it was severely effecting Rondos game.
We now have two big guys who can replace our entire starting 5 with delonte west.
What’s more important is that both these guys can knock down jump shots and free throws and it is going to open up rondos drives and lanes infinitely.
We will pick up at least one more big man, two if we can’t get a good SG back up for ray in a buyout.
If we can get our hands on troy murphy or camby in the next 2 weeks then we are looking extremely good.
And as the author correctly points out- Danny Ainge knows the background situation better than any one and there is still much more to come over the next week or so.
Shaq as starting center= best record in league.
Now with Kristic coming in and backing him and KG up, and green backing up pierce, baby backing up KG and shaq aswell, we have a VERY solid bench.
Great post
With Green he has been playing power forward his true spot is small forward,but he gives us actually more length then anyone thinks. He can play big when we are in a hard spot. If Danny goes out and gets two bigs. This team is much bigger! I think at this point we will see Rip hear as the third guy. I hope Powe is in good healthy. I thought Powe had a better future then Perk,but he couldn’t progress due to injury. It’s hard to lose Perk. At first your mad about this deal. We all take it personal. It actually makes sense for us,and it makes sense for the Thunder.
Danny says the trade was for now...
Says the trade was made to help win now, that he hopes to fill the additional roster spots by next week, and that he expects the team to be better now than they were before the trade.
Again, I’m making the assumption that Danny isn’t an idiot and that he knows more about the status of the team than I do, but the sentiments he expresses here are what I was expecting when I wrote my post…
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Believe it or not but we well probably be picking up Troy Murphy , Rip and also Dalembert plus we already have Green and Krstic wow not bad by Danny Boy …..
Great piece
I pretty much agree with your analysis. I believe people should be comparing Green with Perkins and Krstic to Nate in order to better understand the trade.
With Rondo, Allen, Pierce, Garnett, Davis and West finally healthy you have 6 of your top 7 rotation players intact. Green will essentially replace Perkins as that 7th guy. Additionally, Green is healthy while Perkins currently is not. Green can also be retained next season for certain while Perkins could not.
When Shaq returns to the starting lineup, though, is when this trades impact should be felt most.
Delonte at the 1
Wafer instead of Nate at the 2 – UPGRADE
Green instead of Daniels or Wafer at the 3 – UPGRADE
Davis at the 4
Krstic at the 5 instead of Erden – UPGRADE
Great Analysis
I feel much better about C’s than I was Wednesday Morning. Look for immediate impact by Green and Krstic tomorrow against the Clippers and then going forward too. Wait till some roster fill ups- we will be even better.
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Just kidding – great article agin, drza44!
This obviously echoes the thoughts of many of us. And you did a masterful job of collecting and presenting all the necessary points.
One quibble, regarding the need for a backup SF. You say:
“It wasn’t a prohibitive worry, but it was a clear team need …”
I’m going to disagree and say, yeah, it WAS and should be a prohibitive worry.
The landscape of the East has changed. There is now a high chance of the Celtics facing both the Knicks and then the Heat in the playoffs which means facing Carmelo and Lebron.
How many minutes would Pierce have to play in those series, if we did not secure an adequate backup SF with both the size and speed to cover those guys? Lebron often plays well over 40! Green is one of the few guys with both size and speed needed to defend Lebron, or at least slow him down.
I think Danny had this in mind. We can handle Orlando by letting Howard score and shutting everybody else down. But we needed an answer for Melo and LBJ when Paul is sitting. God forbid Paul should get hurt.
Getting a Jeff Green was, indeed, a critical need.
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Great analysis.
Another well-written and well thought-out piece. Love reading your articles.
I was watching one of the sports shows the next morning and they were reviewing what was done by the trading deadline and one comment stood out for me. One of the pundits commented that when Bosch (sp) left Toronto as a free agent, Toronto got nothing when he left.
I believe Danny Ainge made some shrewd trades when he drew up these changes. He’s making sure that the Celts have a competitive future (including this year’s playoffs). People are forgetting that there are still 3 rosters to fill. I just don’t believe that he would sacrifice the real chance of attaining Banner 18 for this year. In other words, he’s selling high and selling when the market is high is the hardest thing to do because nobody feels comfortable when you’re still vested. It’s when others are cashing out or the competition gets hot and you’re in cash that you know you did the right thing at the right time. He’s been pretty shrewd with his analysis of the market and in anticipating what the market’s going be like when free agency really gets going.
As time goes by...
…I continue to see more things that likely influenced Danny’s decision. It has come out now that Perkins is down for the next 3 weeks with his sprained left MCL. That means he’s out until middle-late March. Jermaine is likely also out until at least then, if not later. And Semih was having physical difficulties as well. It sounds as though Shaq could be back next week, but pre-trade we were looking at having NO healthy centers for at least a week or 2 and possibly having to lean on Shaq for extra minutes until the end of March at least.
In addition to all of the other pros/cons of the deal, I think this should be highlighted more: the Celtics were dangerously thin of big men pre-trade. I was on record often throughout the year that I didn’t trust that Perkins’ health would allow him to contribute anything this year. By swapping Perk for Krstic (who is solid and startable) and Green (who an also legitimately play some at the 4) the Celtics have actually STRENGTHENED their big man slot in the short-term, something that maybe wasn’t immediately clear at the time of the deal.

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