Celtics Get Clipped, Bench Lineup, & Home Losses
Last night's loss to the Clippers was a loss only last season could love.
Luckily, there haven't been a ton of them this season, and with the current state of health on this C's team, can we really be all that surprised? I mean, they're going to lose some games with these makeshift rotations at some point, right?
That being said, this loss has to do with the starters. There's no excuse for coming out the way they did against the Clippers. Four of those guys have been playing together for the better part of four seasons, so that's no excuse.
When you give any team in the league confidence, they're going to make you pay. That's what the Celtics starters did early on. The Clippers jumped out to a 30-17 lead after the first quarter, shooting almost 70-percent, while the C's couldn't touch 40-percent from the field.
"It's tough when you get out to bad starts and a lot of that has to do with the starters," Paul Pierce said. "How we come out at the beginning of the games, we've got to come out with a better focus."
"I like the way we have been finishing games," Pierce continued. "We didn't do that tonight like we wanted to, but if we get off to better starts with the way we have been finishing we would be able to put in 48 minutes of basketball. Right now it's a lot of inconsistency. Some of that has to do with implementing a lot of new guys, but like I said at the start we got to get off to better starts and that's with the guys that have been here."
You could say it was a trap game to an extent - the game that they're supposed to win but don't get up for, not early enough anyways.
But one player who did get up was the Clippers' DeAndre Jordan. And by up, I mean up.
Jordan had four dunks in the first quarter alone, and would have had another if he weren't fouled on the attempt.
He finished with 21 points on 9/10 shooting (dunking) from the field and nine rebounds. Jordan, who averages less than seven points a game, isn't known as an offensive weapon for the Clippers.
"It's rare when you get a young kid that really doesn't need to score," Celtics Coach Doc Rivers said of Jordan. "He just wants to run the floor, sets picks, and blocks shots, and if scoring comes on rolls to the basket he'll take it and he's happy with that. That's unusual and that's great.
Not to take anything away from Jordan, but his offensive performance can be attributed to the lack of healthy big men the C's currently have.
Last night was a clear example of something we already pretty much knew - the C's are going to need a healthy Shaquille O'Neal in the playoffs if they even want to sniff the Eastern Conference Finals.
Kendrick Perkins isn't walking through that door folks. Neither is Semih Erden. Glen Davis isn't big enough in some cases. Nenad Krstic will get better in time, but nowhere near shutdown defender status (not why he was brought in anyways). Kevin Garnett can't do it all himself, and who knows if Jermaine O'Neal will be able to contribute.
One can only hope at this point that Shaq is taking the proper steps necessary to get healthy and stay healthy throughout the playoffs. It's scary to admit, but the C's hopes of Banner 18 may rest in the health of O'Neal.
Bench Unit
How's this for a lineup: Carlos Arroyo, Sasha Pavlovic, Jeff Green, Troy Murphy, and Nenad Krstic.
Ridiculous, right?
To think that just weeks (days) ago literally zero of these players were on the team, it's crazy to think that they're all playing alongside each other now, but that's the case.
The results? Mixed - obviously. Of course there is work to be done, and as players like Delonte West, Glen Davis, and Shaquille O'Neal return, the rotation will (hopefully) get set.
But as noted earlier, it wasn't the bench's fault for the loss last night. In fact, the newest member of the team, Carlos Arroyo, was quite impressive in his debut. He'll prove to be the backup point guard the Celtics need going forth.
"I thought (Carlos) Arroyo was phenomenal," Rivers said. "He ran our club. And so the second unit, you could see it early on. When he came down and called a play that we hadn't put in for him, but he knew the team ran it, I thought, ‘Man, this guy - he's pretty good.' You know, everybody else knew it on the floor and he called it and you know, I was shocked that he knew it. It was great. So there were some good things there."
Rondo still played 43 minutes, but don't let that be a cause for concern. It was, after all, Arroyo's first game. And don't forget the C's were down essentially the entire game, and Rondo was needed to bring them back. West isn't back yet either. Once West is back, the team will be able to run a second unit with West and Arroyo as the guards. That will enable Rondo to get the rest needed and keep his minutes down.
Many questioned the signing of Pavlovic by Celtics President Danny Ainge, but it looks to be a good one.
Pavlovic won't fill up the stat sheet for this team, but he does provide something that the C's lacked behind Pierce - a big enough, capable defender. Pavlovic is that, and has showed it so far. Von Wafer has done a commendable job buying into the defensive part of the game, but you can't teach size, and Pavlovic has the edge over him there.
How the West Won
The Celtics fell to 27-6 at home after last night's loss to the L.A. Clippers. The six losses have one thing in common - they've all come at the hands of Western Conference teams.
Dallas, both L.A.'s, Houston, New Orleans, and Oklahoma City all have bragging rights in terms of taking down the C's at home, something that none of the Eastern Conference teams can say.
That's just another reason that home court advantage is so important this year.
Take the Bulls for example. Chicago is 45-18 this season, but just 18-14 on the road. Orlando isn't much better at 17-13 away from home. Nobody wants to play the Bulls it seems, but if you've got four out of the seven games in your arena, you increase you chances of moving on by a decent amount, right?
And nobody needs to be reminded on where the C's played Games 6 and 7 last season in the NBA Finals.
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thats the c's weakness gving teams confidence early in the game and not playing solid d..
on the brighter side carlos is a gr8 addition coming 2 the bench and a valuable back up point guard 2 the c’s. So wen west arrive rondo can have more rest and minimize his playing tym on court. We also nid defensive bigs come playoffs tym. Hope shaq and jermaine will be healthy anytym s0on we reli nid shaq and j.o. 2 be healthy wht difference it makes f their on court.
With Wafer's injury, Carlos should still be important even as West returns.
Also wouldn’t hurt to have a PG that Doc could stick with off then bench—as a threat to Rondo’s sometimes indifferent play.
a bench backcourt of West and Arroyo would be dangerous
they can both handle the ball and score, other teams will find it hard to match up with them, just hope Delonte stays healthy for the playoff run
that is why we dnt need to rush our injured players especially our key players in the playoffs and give them tym 2 heal.
its the playoff games dat matters the most and having HCA is important 2 but we have 2 give our players their needed rest and not rushing them bak so dat they can be efficient and can contribute n the playoffs a healthy r0ster=18thbanner so dats what matters the most going healthy heading 2 the playoffs.
by reb0undwins18 on Mar 10, 2011 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
Motown
excellent comments re Rondo. I couldn’t have said it better myself. I love the C’s and all of their players but Rondo needs to grow up. He has been elevated to all star status so he feels he can coast when he wants to. his inability to guard the pickk and roll or to stay in front of his man are really hurting us. when he doesn’t feel like playing- which was last night- he walks the ball up the floor and pounds the dribble, all the while barking out orders and making hand gestures and then he shoots a 3. what a jackass
I couldn't even watch the game....
after the first quarter I switched to American Idol!
by KubuliCeltic on Mar 10, 2011 7:53 AM EST up reply actions
That deserves a tp...
Haha, I was feeling the same way. That James Durbin is pretty good, eh? Seriously, though, it was disappointing to watch, but it happens to everyone. If it didn’t, we would see a lot more undefeated teams.
the C's got killed by Mo Williams
sure D.Jordan was a non-stop dunk machine but the guy who set him up was Mo. Also, Mo chipped in with 28 points, 5 of 7 from 3 point land.
you slow Mo down and take away his threes and the game would have been won
nice game from Arroyo last night, he looked solid, made good passes and scored efficiently, even got a steal, he sped the game up when he was in, would have preferred him to Rondo last night, Rondo slowed it down too much and didn’t drive to the hoop that often, was he hurt?
The other teams' point guards seem to be scoring a lot lately.
What’s the deal with Rondo’s defense?
Honestly, I think Rondo's been in a funk ever since Perk got traded
I realize he’s still put up some good assist numbers, but his overall play has really declined, particularly on the defensive side. Somebody described it as often indifferent and that completely nails it. He has seemed more sullen than usual. I hope he snaps out of it soon.
On a positive note, it’s really great to finally have a competent backup PG. I think it’s tremendous that we’ve been winning in spite of all our injuries and personnel changes. It’s a testament to Doc and the remaining core, but we’ve been winning with smoke and mirrors lately, and I’m not surprised we fell to a young athletic team last night. It was bound to happen sooner or later. Philly will pose a similar challenge on Friday with their young and athletic team, who also happens to be playing quite well these days. It’s essential we get out to a decent start in that game.
Loved Arroyo’s play last night.
Rondo's effort
It’s a long season. He could just be tired. He plays a lot of minutes.
Nice write up, Jimmy.
I missed the game, but your post told me a good deal. Thanks.
The bright spots though...
…seem to be Arroyo’s & Sasha’s game slowly but surely picking up. Unfortunately, the game wasn’t shown in my neck of the woods. Kristc has been very consistent with the scoring too! Since the C’s got new guys in green suited up it’s been 5-1, so not bad at all!
They did manage to hold off LA Blaker’s game but then… Besides the sluggish start… It’s just that…Mo happened! A guy named Jordan wearing #9 hmmm… I guess Rondo is just in a funk right now but he’ll be alright..i hope!
I wonder how many times Doc has described a player as “phenomenal” :-P
rondo nids to step up his game both defensively and offensively.
yeah rondo could jst b tired maybe its bec he plays lots of minutes doc shud rest rondo and gve carlos more PT.
It's tough to play catch-up for a quarter or two...
It’s almost impossible to do it for an entire game. C’s just let the monster out of the box early and couldn’t stuff it back in. Rondo really needs to be more aggressive with scoring guards. Williams can (and did) fill it up if you give him room.
Nice minutes from Arroyo though. Here’s hoping everyone gets back to full health & the bench can come together over the 20 games…
Lolz
Monster out of the box… that’s what she said haha
by SpecialKxm107 on Mar 10, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
i don’t mind the c’s losing a few games like last night, but i don’t like them losing with the starters piling up big minutes. nothing that they need to do gets established, like break in the new guys. i put that on doc. rondo has been annoying in his play. he’s getting killed on picks and he’s going way too much for the fancy pass or stalling the offense up high waing for plan a to develop, let him sit and watch.
Let's be honest here.
We gained offense and lost defense when we traded Perk. We can get that defense back to some extent when Shaq returns. But he is a 39 year old who has not seen much court time lately and still coming off an injury. He is only going to give us so much. I love more offense but not at the expense of defense. I do not enjoy watching the Celtics play triple digit games. KG is the only line of defense. Get past him and you have a dunk or layup, as we saw repeatedly last night. No Perk (or Shaq) to clog the middle. This team obviously does not look the same but it also does not feel the same. For me, some of its heart is gone, even in the victories.
I expect to be vilified by some here but just being honest. I still am not crazy about trading Perk simply because our signature toughness and defense has taken a hit. The Clips did not fear us at all last night. and I cannot imagine the Bulls will either when the time comes. The Sixers game Friday night will be telling in that it is another young athletic team playing well.
Love the Celtics. Always have. Always will. But the team has a weird vibe right now. Hard to explain and maybe someone else who feels the same way can do a better job explaining it.
The C's lost some clunkers with Perk and Baby in the lineup too.
And JO has a chance to be a real defensive factor.
You've gotta expect a weird vibe when only 4 guys playing were with the team two weeks ago.
This injury crunch would be at least, if not more, acute without Danny’s trades.
I have hope too and will grow to love the team as constructed.
But I miss the intimidation factor, which seems lacking right now. We will get some of it back when Shaq returns. No matter what, I want this team to go get it.
I like Krstic so far in his energy and other things but he ain't an enforcer
I also can’t quit thinking about his scalp being the same color as his thin hair ….it’s either paint, dye…..or the darkest scalp I have ever seen….I guess I need to up my medication to a higher dose.
Is it Soup Yet?
Rondo denying penetration
is a far bigger defensive concern to me than Kristic’s ability to play on the block.
"Take it to the hoop, there's a dance involved." - DJ Tommy
he will do great
against Bynum, LO and Gasol.
by lakersbluedevil on Mar 10, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
too soon for me to get that vibe
davis-hurt, shaq-hurt ,newbies assimilating. this thing is wide open still. I cant call it after a handful of games. I think 8-10 games from now you could get a better feel— this kinda reminds me of the lakers death watch. after cleveland sanantone was crowned king…
malcontents....the lot of you
by dasandruler on Mar 10, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Part of it is Kris not being as good as Perk on defense...
And I’d guess that part of it is that he does not yet play instinctively on the defensive end. He’s not familiar enough with the system to act and react without thinking about things, which makes him a little slow on rotations. He’ll never be the low post defender that Perk was, but I expect him to be playing better team defense and making better rotations as we go along. I don’t think we can accurately judge any of the new guys for at least another couple of weeks (to maybe even a month). They’re essentially going through training camp on the fly.
That said, Krstic, Green, Pav, and Arroyo seem to be picking things up pretty quickly, being the vets that they are.
I love the offense right now and the way Krstic hustles andd grabs some much needed offensive rebounds.
The defense is painful to watch. I also think Arroyo is a great pick up for them and would not be surpised if Doc uses West to spell Ray, not Rondo, with Arroyo running the second unit. They have 20 games to figure it out and get healthy. Still time.
Also read that Boozer is hurt. Never root for injuries but this may cause them to struggle and lose a game or two. We need to keep that distance. Only 2 games separate us in the loss column.
Yeah, the D was pathetic to watch,
Although they played very solid third quarter D. I really think it was mostly about energy and effort more than anything last night, and they simply lacked both to start off the game… badly.
Hopefully we’ll only be missing Baby for one more game. That’ll do a lot to shore up our front court rotation until Shaq can make it back. I’m also hoping that Doc will show a little confidence in Arroyo and Pav who I think have played well (in very limited minutes). Green’s already getting Doc’s trust and playing significant minutes.
Can’t wait for tomorrow’s game, which should be another real challenge with a young and athletic Philly team… just the kind that gives the Cs difficulty, which is why I hope he gives the bench a chance.
If we can just eek out a win any way possible with this patchwork bench, our injured guys should start returning next week and we can hopefully stay ahead of the Bulls.
the defense starts at the point of attack
aka the point guard.
rondo has been awful on the defensive end the past couple games (what was that foul on mo williams shooting a 3 last night??)
Pin it on the new guy if you want, but rondo is being rondo and not giving 100% all the time. Its allowing guard penetration and putting Kurly in the position to cut off the penetration and guard a big (which he tried to do last night, but mo was able to find jordan for multiple dunks)/
"Take it to the hoop, there's a dance involved." - DJ Tommy
Yeah, I agree
I’m not pinning it on Krstic and know that the breakdown began with guard penetration.
I agree JPV
This team does have a different vibe since the trades, and it definitely isn’t better. A lot of people will say, “Of course, we have 5 new players”, but even if you only compare the games where Erden started instead of Krstic, the starting unit seems to have lost something.
I’m very nervous about having to rely on Shaq playing 25 minutes a game. If Krstic ends up starting in the playoffs, they aren’t gonna make it very far. He’s clearly a decent offensive player, but his D and defensive rebounding are suspect. His offensive rebounding numbers are high, but he hasn’t been setting a lot of high picks/screens like we’re used to seeing from Perk and Baby.
Praying for Shaq/JO health… Krstic would be great in his role, which is solid backup 5.
by Tommypointz on Mar 10, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
You may want to look at this
http://www.celticsblog.com/2011/3/9/2040783/celtic-5-man-units-the-numbers-so-far
So far, at least, the starters are playing very, very well with Krstic, both offensively and defensively.
"We will take it easy, and walk on down our road at our pace with our focus ahead, and your focus on us." - Warrior Spirit, on what Celtics' Ubuntu is.
The've played
6 games against teams with a combined record (as of today) of 168-213.
That averages to 28-36 records.
interesting
but what does that tell us? the fact is the starting 5 with krsitic is still playing well… what else are they supposed to do? they don’t make the schedule…
"Take it to the hoop, there's a dance involved." - DJ Tommy
It tells us that stats always provide an incomplete picture no matter how convoluted you try to make them. I prefer to judge with my eyes.
so you'd rather be subjective than objective
"Take it to the hoop, there's a dance involved." - DJ Tommy
stats are not objective
4 out of 5 doctors agree
but your opinion is certainly subjective
"Take it to the hoop, there's a dance involved." - DJ Tommy
As the text in the article states
if the expectation is that they (the starters + Krstic) should crush weak opponents, then that is exactly what they have been doing.
You can’t hold it against them that they are full filling that expectation.
It is true we don’t yet know how they will do against tougher competition. But the numbers DO tell us something. They tell us that they can crush weaker lineups. And that shouldn’t be dismissed. Part of being a great lineup is crushing weaker ones. It would be a huge disappointment if the numbers showed they were struggling in that configuration.
"We will take it easy, and walk on down our road at our pace with our focus ahead, and your focus on us." - Warrior Spirit, on what Celtics' Ubuntu is.
bingo
what else can they do except statistically outperform weaker opponents?
"Take it to the hoop, there's a dance involved." - DJ Tommy
That "weird vibe" is not the team
…it’s Rondo. And I’m confident it will pass.
just noticed the celtics have quite a few receeding hairlines lmao garnett allen and paul shaq glen has started carlos arroyo jermaine and sasha
When you feel down after a C's loss.....
Just remember this classic move from our pal, Nate :-P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QbpV-K4PU0&feature=related
It’s been months and it still cracks me up!! And Ray’s reaction too.. Priceless!
Ohh I remember that- way funnier in slow-mo
Thank you. That was such an oddball group. I miss Nate on the team for his crazy antics.
rondo
i dont know if its fatigue or if his leg is still bothering him with all the minutes he’s been playing…..but rondo has been outplayed especially in these last two by far ,by jennings and mo williams. not a good look at all. he isnt to blame for a loss just something ive noticed and it surely didnt help
Sounds like
I was fortunate to have to miss last nights game. I’ve been trying to watch the replay on League Pass Broadband because I am a glutton for punishment, but am having issues with only this particular game. Does anybody else have LP Broadband and if so, are you having any issues with watching the archive of this game? Thanks in advance for the info.
Nobody?
Does anybody have LP broadband? I’m just wondering if this is an issue for others or just me. I have had nothing but troubles with LP Broadband since signing up.
by King Coebra on Mar 10, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Good write up and dead on comments
Was at game last night for the Blake Griffin show. Hand it to KG. He wasn’t going to let him go “Sportscenter Top 10” in his house.
Three striking things from near court that I didn’t really notice on TV – Arroyo is small, Pavlovic is big and Jordan is long with even longer arms.
Kristic was as advertised – Nice offensive shooting and moving but torched by Jordan and Kamen.
Arroyo very impressive for first time.
All you guys are right about Rondo. He makes us go and he makes us…well…last night. Yes, Williams and Jennings before had very good games because Rondo is either tired or in a temporary funk. He chose to play Tommy’s famous “matador” defense. Williams and Jennings were a step ahead of Rondo’s poke steals.
But it’s a long season and a few stinkers are to be expected. Let’s celebrate the big three. KG worked his butt off on Griffin and Pierce and Ray are just professionals (who are playing too many minutes)
We have flaws
But we have a lot going for us. Of course, we’re developing as a unit with so many roster changes and injuries…we’re going to play some stinkers between now and the playoffs. KG’s shot was off and the defense didn’t click. But let’s not make this molehill into a mountain just yet. I expect a renewed effort in the next game and hopefully some rest for Rondo. Unlike some, I don’t doubt his motivation or fight. I do worry that even his young legs cannot withstand forty minutes a game between now and the playoffs. We’re first place in the East. Things be could a lot worse.
doc will grind that boy into powder if somebody don't step up in rondo's stead...
arroyo must be grinning like a cheshire cat. …..opportunity don’t knock no louder than that.
malcontents....the lot of you
by dasandruler on Mar 10, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
I'm hanging crosses and garlic on every door and window
….cause of what you just wrote.
that's for vampires
… for Sheed you need to put a basketball hoop on your door so Sheed will stay more than 23 feet away from it
good one.
And to throw in two cents, vampires are “the undead.” They’re rather fast and powerful, which might be too lively for Rasheed. Coming out of retirement, he might better be categorized as a zombie, part of “the living dead.” I’ll leave it to others to decide if Rasheed would be more appropriate in a “fast zombie” or a “slow zombie” movie.
Sheed?
Can we get Sheed circa 2005? I’d even take Sheed circa 2008? But a 2011 Sheed who hasn’t played a minute since June 2010?
CLIPPED
CLIPPED
A man named Jordan lit up Q one,
DeAndre for the Clippers, he’s no fun.
Clippers shot 68%, led by thirteen,
At the end of Q one, where’s our Cs machine?
No offense for the Cs, not much defense, too true,
Doc will have to figure out what to do.
Q2 starts with all guys we don’t know,
Because none of them were Celtics two weeks ago.
Pavlovic two quick steals, that’s a good start
Sweet to watch these new guys playing with heart.
In comes Pierce to get the offense going,
But the inexperience of the new guys is really showing.
Somehow he got loose—Williams, that’s Mo,
Every shot of his seemed guaranteed to go.
The half ends—thankfully for the Cs tonight
As their offense is bad, their defense a fright.
Q3 Cs climb back, but we’re not there yet,
Since Q1 only two assists did Rondo get.
Twenty-eight minutes passed before assist three
Clippers’ lead down to 10 led by Captain P.
RAY ALLEN FOR THREE early, two more in Q4
Since early Q1 the Cs’ closest score.
Great hustle for Krstic and he’s having a blast
He is finding a home on this team real fast.
Cs couldn’t get stops, Clippers couldn’t miss,
Best to just forget a game like this.
Away from this game one thing we can take,
At least it wasn’t a highlight reel for their guy Blake.
Can’t help myself, it must be said,
Of Reggie Ray is now 28 ahead.
lovemyceltics.blogspot.com
March 9, 2011 11:39pm
The defense.
Before people read to much into what this game means about our ‘interior defense’, folks should take into account the fact that because KG and Krstic were our ONLY two bigs, Doc gave them explicit instructions to avoid fouling.
Doc didn’t want either of them getting in early foul trouble.
Obviously Big Baby’s absence was felt in that regard alone.
"We will take it easy, and walk on down our road at our pace with our focus ahead, and your focus on us." - Warrior Spirit, on what Celtics' Ubuntu is.
by mmmmm on Mar 10, 2011 11:02 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Spot on.
I think having Baby would have been the difference last night. We essentially played only 3 bigs in Krstic, Kg, and tweener Green (Murphy played 5 minutes too). Baby takes a lot of abuse on the interwebz, but he gives quality effort and much needed minutes, even if the result is not always pretty. He brings a physicality to the game which we lacked last night.
I think BBD has played very, very well this year, overall.
You will probably find the numbers kind of interesting here:
http://www.celticsblog.com/2011/3/9/2040783/celtic-5-man-units-the-numbers-so-far
Even if he wasn’t playing that well – just lacking his body in the rotation is a big deal.
Just like missing Perk in Game 7, you just plain need enough bigs in the 4-5 rotation to share fouls and minutes.
People pick on Rondo in games like this because Mo Williams scored a lot. When you play team defense, there is a point in the attack where the defender has to peel off (unless he is set for the charge, but that’s rare) and give his man up to the help defender. Ideally, the perimeter defender guides the attacker right into a big who can be set to take the charge or block the shot. Meanwhile, all the other defenders have to switch to make sure the man who the helping big was previously covered is not left open.
Here is the thing – a big part of that help defender’s arsenal is the ability to give fouls at times. If he can’t do that – because he’s either in foul trouble or, in this case, needs to stay out of foul trouble because of lack of depth – then that’s like playing defense with one hand tied behind your back.
I’m not saying we still couldn’t have done a better job. Based on the final score, this game was definitely winnable. But things like the above were working against us.
It is interesting to note that one of the most effective lineups we had on the floor was when Doc finally punted on size and went small and fast. He had Rondo, Arroyo, Ray, Green and Krstic on the floor. That was the unit that basically got us back in the game.
"We will take it easy, and walk on down our road at our pace with our focus ahead, and your focus on us." - Warrior Spirit, on what Celtics' Ubuntu is.
People, don't read to much into what this game...
It’s an unfortunate loss. But understand the C’s recently added new players and they’re not yet custom to the Celtics style of defense or offense. In the future the Celtics need to be more aggressive on defense and have to better communicate.
I was at the game
and for the whole first quarter, I was shouting “Stop making DeAndre Jordan look like an all-star!!”
It was tough to watch the first half… But I like how they fought back in the second half.. Just too little too late.
by 18isGREATERthan72 on Mar 10, 2011 11:46 AM EST reply actions
If perk was in this game....
we would have been blown out…only because nenad was scoring were we able to even make some sort of comeback. Perhaps one would say if perk was in there we would have never been down that much…that is highly unlikely because perk aint no hulk, its team defense
by GreenSlime on Mar 10, 2011 11:51 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Troy Murphy as a Celtic...
0-for-10 in FG attempts!
Most likely...
On a night without BBD and both O`Neals….why is 6`11" Murphy playing only 4 minutes against the Clippers?
He needs playing time to get in shape and familiar with new teammates!
probably cause we were down so big so early?
"Take it to the hoop, there's a dance involved." - DJ Tommy
I don’t think we should expect much from Murphy this season. If he can’t get in shape quickly and get his shot and rebounding down now then it’s never going to come consistently. There’s too few games left and we’re in a tight race.
we have 19 games left....
that’s an awful lot, nearly a 1/4 of the season.
If Murphy gets consistent burn and practice time he should have plenty of time to get in shape and rythm.
"Take it to the hoop, there's a dance involved." - DJ Tommy
rondoooooooooo
Where’s Rondo been the last few games?
And to speculate further – where’s Rondo been since ‘the trade’?
Not gonna lie, my second thought after hearing about the Perkins trade (the first being CENSORED) was “Uh oh, Rondo’s lost his bwest fwend!”
Rondo is tempermental at best and I think the Perk trade has soured him a bit – his body language is just off as is his game. Perks was his one mate, closest in age as well and he’s lost that bond and while I don’t doubt he’ll turn it on for the playoffs, I can’t shake the feeling that he’s the one holdout in terms of accepting the new guys – it seems like he is grudgingly shouldering the burden -
‘Oh great, extra minutes.’ ‘Oh great, gotta teach these new idiots, discards and buyouts, how to be ready for my passes. In the middle of a season’.
I remember quotes from his college coach and Doc as well about when he gets frustrated when his teammates can’t keep up or miss passes and the like. He corrected that over time with the core and the rest of crew – but since the trade he seems to be dogging it, to the detriment of the team and our win/loss column.
I think he needs to get a little more professional but he’ll probably continue it until the playoff push. Hopefully we don’t lose first seed in the process. I love Rondo, but man is it hard to root for the guy when he mails it in and pouts like this.
by newyorkceltics on Mar 10, 2011 12:05 PM EST reply actions
One more note on Jordan going crazy
I didn’t have the game DVRed or anything, but just by memory it seemed to me that a good few of Jordan’s dunks were not entirely Krstic’s fault. Part of it was our perimeter D was not keeping their men from penetrating, and Krstic was rotating to help, leaving his own guy, so a lot of Jordan going nuts was not really his fault. That’s how it seemed, but I can’t verify since I didn’t VCR it.
When Krstic was rotating to help stop penetration
it is someone else’s job to pick up Jordan.
KG was staying like glue on Griffen – which DID shut Griffen down, for the most part.
I think they came into this game thinking that they could gamble a little with Jordan. Jordan is normally not much of an offensive player – think Kendrick Perkins – so that is not necessarily a bad strategy. So I think they had KG delay his switch to prevent dump-offs and oops to Griffen, thinking he’d still have time to cover Jordan. But Jordan must have eaten his Wheaties that morning and had an unusually active game on the offensive end.
This clearly back-fired quickly in the first period and created the hole they got into. They managed to adjust later in the game and obviously played better defense, but it was too late.
The fact that both Krstic and KG had to be careful about foul trouble from the start certainly didn’t help.
"We will take it easy, and walk on down our road at our pace with our focus ahead, and your focus on us." - Warrior Spirit, on what Celtics' Ubuntu is.
Wasn't KG's or Krstic's fault
KG had to guard Griffin 1 on 1, which he did fantastically. Their guards were just flying past ours. I hate to say it, but I don’t think Rondo has been giving more than 75% on D lately. He’s been playing a lot of minutes, but he did last season too. Hope he gets it back in gear and puts a little more heart into it. I know he’ll be there for the playoffs though.
by Tommypointz on Mar 10, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't say it was any player's fault.
It was a strategy. It didn’t work.
If you want to assign fault, I guess its Doc’s. But I can’t say it was a bad strategy. You can’t always anticipate that a mediocre player will have his personal game-of-the-year.
"We will take it easy, and walk on down our road at our pace with our focus ahead, and your focus on us." - Warrior Spirit, on what Celtics' Ubuntu is.
Good observations, nyc
That’s pretty much how I see it as well.
Im glad to see the criticism of Rondo is growing. Until KG puts him in a choke hold we are in trouble
Mostly kidding. A healthy Arroyo and or West running the team will make a lot of posters here flee the Rondo bandwagon. The crazy thing for me is its his head. He can stay in front of his man but won’t. He can make free throws in practice but not the game.
My suggestion is the guys chip in and buy him a shirt that says “STOP GAMBLING”
Don't you think Rondo is tired???
Playing 40+ minutes in almost every game. That to me is ruining his performance. People on this blog need to chill about Rondo. The Celtics had no real backup for him the entire season with Nate playing like crap, Delonte injured, and Bradley not ready. Do you all forget that Rondo has been exceptional this season? Calm down smh
rondo averages 38mpg
so clearly he doesn’t play over 40 in almost every game.
he’s 10th in the league in mpg, which is nothing to shrug off, but there’s a guy named derrick rose, who does quite a bit for his team, avg 37.7 mpg and I don’t see him having these sort of lapses (albeit I don’t watch him nearly as much as rondo)
rondo is 25 y/o… minutes just are not much of an excuse for not playing defense. That was our first game since sunday, and only our 4th over the past 9 days…not to mention rondo missed 11 games this sSesaon, so its not like he’s logged that many total minutes. as a matter of fact, rondo isn’t even in the top 50 in total minutes played in the league, while old timers like pierce and allen are. I don’t see them slacking off in pick & roll defense, or not being aggressive with the basketball.
"Take it to the hoop, there's a dance involved." - DJ Tommy
Derrick Rose doesn't play defense
Kind of easy to always score 40 and neglect the other side of the ball. Goodnight!
by OsirusCeltics on Mar 10, 2011 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
Prediction?
Once West comes back and Arroyo gets another good game or two under his belt, Rondo will experience an unseen “injury” and sit for a couple/three/four games. This may be just what the Doc ordered to snap him out of his little funk.
Rondo has regressed, I dont know if its injury or mental but we need to look at packing him in a trade this off season
Celtics arent going anywhere if they have to build around a point guard that cant shoot, and is terrified of attacking the paint against any team with size and also is extremely inconsistent and displays lack of effort routinely.
Anybody ever consider the possibility that his feet are still giving him problems?
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this isn't based on solely last nights game at all
I rarely miss games, and this is absolutely a trend for Rondo. He does not bring it, 100%, every night. I absolutely love rondo, but that’s the way I see it. It’s frustrating.
But the fact is he just had back to back games when he gets outplayed by PGs he should completely outclass. when you throw in the last clippers game and the denver game, that’s 4 of the last 7 games where he has just not played to the level I’ve come to expect of him. Maybe that’s not fair, but that’s how I’m seeing it, and the numbers back that up in terms of t/o, shooting %, and the opposing PGs performances.
If he’s hurt, sit out, because last night I think he hurt the team. Now would arroyo/bradley done any better, probably not, but if he’s hurt he really should not be playing.
"Take it to the hoop, there's a dance involved." - DJ Tommy
Perhaps he shouldn't be playing, but without a replacement or more, he's it, for better or worse.
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Right- if the Cs lose two games ina row, there'll be hundreds here clamoring to blow up the team.
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