No O'Neals, no 18?? Trades and moves a mistake???

by pauljr on Mar 24, 2011 9:26 AM EDT

So let me start this by saying the last few games, although all these players are new, have been very concerning to me and should be to our beloved C's. I was listening to ESPN radio the other day and Tim Legler was on talking about the celtics and bulls and who is going to come out of the East. I will say Legs really knows his stuff and he was one of the only guys at ESPN that picked us to win in 2008 against the Lakers. He brought up a very valid and concerning point, that all of our new additions, from Jeff to Troy, are all FINESSE players. They are anti big baby, anti Perk, anti Leon Powe (who killed us last night), anti PJ Brown and anti Posey. Danny in one day threw away the very thing that made us who we were. Celtics teams that have won it all whether it was in the 60's or 2008 have always been hard working, tough, blue collar type players and he threw that away in Perk and by picking up Troy Murphy as opposed to Leon Powe. Imagine last night if we had Perk and Leon back?? We got destroyed in the paint last night and I think they would have never let that happen. I'm sorry but we're in trouble.
Which leads me to think that unless we get BOTH O'Neals back playing and healthy that Banner 18 is a lot further away than we all think.

I hope I'm wrong cause I love this team just as much as anyone else in here, and I believe in our core group of Paul, Kevin, Ray, Rondo, and baby to get it done this year. They just could use a little more help right??

Be respectful and keep it clean. Thanks.

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JO is whack and so is troy but that being said i would rather have troy than leon

by Tai_chi on Mar 24, 2011 10:15 AM EDT reply actions

Troy was awful last night, Leon killed us with his tough play, what were u watching??

by pauljr on Mar 24, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions

Troy Dropkick

IS WASHED UP, accept it folks or not.

Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!

by Great Gatsby on Mar 24, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions

Washed up at 30 lol.

Must suck being a white basketball player.

by Flawless on Mar 24, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions

I wanted Leon

But our season is not going to be determined by the absence of Leon Powe.

And yes, we need at least one O’Neal. But we would have needed at least one of them even if we had kept Perk, who clearly was about as much of a health risk as JO and Shaq.

The trade was a good trade, for this year. You can say the bigs are important and all, and you’re not wrong, but if PP went down, then the season was really over. Jeff Green is a huge upgrade over Quis, and a nearly infinite upgrade over Von Wafer. We said all year that if healthy, this team could beat anyone. And it’s true. But it was quite clear since February, if not before, that this team was never going to be healthy. So the goal was to find a team that a) was healthy, or b) if not healthy, could still win. Did we achieve that? Only time will tell. But please stop living in this pre-trade idealized world where Perk was the 2009 version, and that PP could play 45 minutes a game and have no ill effects. That team didn’t exist, so that team wasn’t broken up by this trade.

by egotistical ma on Mar 24, 2011 11:52 AM EDT reply actions

Trade was necessary

and it did provide the needed depth; BUT the risk was that the O’Neals would return and contribute, so therein lies the rub. It does really depend on the ONeals, mostly Shaq to come in and helpo.

by gocanes1 on Mar 24, 2011 12:15 PM EDT reply actions

I understand the perk trade, i really do, especially for green who has been great at times. But Troy Murphy looks like a mistake, much rather have Jermaine Oneal healthy than him.
Hopeful Playoff Rotation for me:

PG Rondo/West
SG Ray/ West/Green
SF Paul/ Green
PF KG/Baby
C Shaq/Jermaine/Kristic

Anything more than a 10 man rotation in the playoffs throws the whole team rhythm off, which is why I say sorry to Carlos, Sasha, Troy

by pauljr on Mar 24, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions

I don't think the choice was

Signing Troy Murphy or having Jermaine O’Neal healthy. With KG, Big Baby, and Green on the roster, I think Ainge went for the best available big who can play center. Leon Powe cannot play center.

by LooseCannon on Mar 24, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions

we'll be fine

sounds like BOTH Shaq and Jermaine will be back by April 1.
Clearly our weakness now is inside, on offense and defense.
Everything will improve with 2 TOUGH centers returning to the rotation.
I’ll take the #2 seed and a better record than the Lakers.

by jsr1333 on Mar 24, 2011 12:29 PM EDT reply actions

Maybe this weekend for Shaq ?

he has to get some real game experience before playoffs; and JO by april 1 ; these two should make up for Perk -(this had to have been DA thinking with the trade)
I also would not totally give up on Troy, he could be needed depending on team we are facing.-at least Miami didnt get him.

by gocanes1 on Mar 24, 2011 12:34 PM EDT reply actions

You mean

somebody stole his recliner? I knew the guy would miss his share of games, but the absurdity level has kicked in for me.

Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!

by Great Gatsby on Mar 24, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions

yah i don’t think it’s the same celts team. no disrespect, still a great team, but not the same. i’d be very surprised if they reach the finals this year.

"the man who created a legend; the legend who resurrected a franchise."

by chaucer on Mar 24, 2011 2:47 PM EDT reply actions