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Realistic Optimism part 1: KG and Pierce

Well, this feels familiar.

Last year over the last four months of the season, when the team was losing and not seeming to play very inspired ball, a schism developed on CelticsBlog.  There were the "optimists", those that were sick of all of the negativity about the Cs that they were subjected to every time they came on the site.  And there were the "pessimists", who usually called themselves realists, who were irritated that the optimists wouldn't take off their rose-colored glasses and realize that this team was done.  It got heated, and even after the season played out like it did with the Cs just a few minutes from a title, the "bad blood", if you will, never really went away.  Many of the "realists" still felt that both the Celtics and the "optimists" got lucky, that they caught lightening in a bottle and that no one could have really expected them to be able to (so-called) flip a switch and do so well in the postseason with the way they were playing.

This year, same song different day.  The two most recommended articles on the main board are 1) a plea for the pessimists to stop being so negative, and 2) a note from the blog boss emphatically stating that opinions of all kinds are welcome, both optimistic and pessimistic.  The Celticsblog "Capulets" and "Montagues" are back at it again this year.

But, here's the problem:

Just like last year, there is a third category between blind "don't talk bad about my team!" optimism and "the sky is falling" pessimism: realistic optimism.  I suppose the overall message here will be positive in bent, but it will be backed with both anecdotal and quantitative evidence.  In short: right now, despite the (now outrageously overblown) Perk trade, despite the recent losses, despite the huge (and familiar) shift of the national basketball media/public off the Celtics bandwagon...despite ALL of that, there are very real and very tangible reasons to expect the Celtics to do extremely well in this postseason.  I can think of several, and if life permits I'll post some of them over the next several days.  But for today, let's start at the top.

The first reason to be realistically optimistic about the 2011 Cs winning #18 this year is: Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce are really good.

No.  I mean, they're really, REALLY good.  And for some reason, I don't think many have really noticed it.  Because in all of the "Big 4" hype, and all of the talk that Rajon Rondo might really be the most important player on the team, KG and Pierce have quietly gone about turning in a huge impact season.

Consider: if you mosey on over to basketballvalue.com and, on the home page, click on the "1 Year unadjusted overall rating: on" link, you'll find that out of EVERY player in the NBA, the player whose team played the absolute best in the league with him on the court this year is: (drum roll) Kevin Garnett.  And you won't have to look far to find the next familiar name, because Paul Pierce is third on the list.  So, what does this tell us?  It tells us that in the 2,220 minutes that KG has been on the court this year, the Celtics are a whopping 12.93 points better than their opponents per 48 minutes played.  That is a huge number, especially considering the circumstances: because KG plays only 31 minutes/game and his minutes are heavily concentrated at the beginning and ends of halves, almost every minute that he's been on the court has been against the starters of the opposing team.  So in those 2220 minutes with KG (almost all of which have also featured Pierce), the Celtics have been crushing the starters of their opponents.  Keep this in mind.

Now, while you've already got your basketballvalue link open, under the "1 Year unadjusted overall ranking" heading, now click on "Net".  This will give you a listing for the biggest differentials between how a team performs with and without a certain player on the court for this season.  And, once again, you'll see two very familiar names at the top, with Paul Pierce leading the NBA with an absurd +18.84 per 48 minutes, closely followed by KG in second place with +16.8 per 48 minutes.  So, what does that tell us?  It means that not only are KG and Pierce SUFFICIENT for the team to thrive (which the on-court numbers gave us above), but it also means that they are NECESSARY for the team to thrive (for both KG and Pierce, the Celtics are well into the net negatives when they are off the court). 

Now, before I drive home my punchline, I'm going to pause and allow some of you to speak your mind before you burst.  In fact, I'll say it with you, "YEAH, BUT MOST OF THOSE NUMBERS CAME BEFORE WE TRADED PERK AND GAVE UP OUR IDENTITY AND STARTED GETTING BLOWN OUT SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING DOESN'T MATTER!!!!"  There, doesn't it feel better to get that out?  But here's the thing: KG's and Pierce's on- and on/off-court +/- are still staggering post Perk trade.

I've been keeping track of the weekly +/- for the Cs for most of the year.  Perk was traded after the first game during the week of Feb. 21.  Well, from that week up until yesterday's starter shut-down, Garnett and Pierce were still a cool +10.9 and +8.9 respectively per 48 minutes on-court, and the team is a massive +23.9 and +22.4 respectively with them on the court as opposed to off.  Hmmm.

And if you look at the last few weeks, the numbers are even more stark.  The Celtics have lost 7 of their last 13 games.  Yet, over that 3 week period, they are a whopping +14.6 with KG on the court (+9.7 for Pierce), and an unreal +36.8 points better when KG's on the court than when he's off (+32.7 for Pierce, +35.9 for Ray, and +23.8 for Rondo).  Interesting.

So, if our KG/Pierce led line-ups are so dominating, how is it that the team is losing so much?

I'm glad you asked. 

I've given you a lot of numbers here, so let me now give you the meat of the matter.  The upshot is, when Kevin Garnett is on the court the Celtics have bar-none the best defensive starting unit of any team in the NBA.  It's not even particularly close.  The Bulls make up ground with their 2nd unit being so stingy and our 2nd unit lagging, but strength-to-strength the KG-led Celtics defense is the best.  And it's still our identity.  Likewise, the offense with Pierce and KG on the floor together is still sick as well.  Now, Rondo and Ray are also offensive keys as well, don't get me wrong.  That's not the point.  The point is, when you put Rondo and Ray together with KG and Pierce our offense is still powerful as well.

But.

Where we've had trouble this year has been with the players outside of the core group.  Injuries and chemistry have taken huge tolls on our frontcourt and depth, so when KG and Pierce haven't been on the court to stabilize things, the team has struggled.  It's led to many of these losses that we've seen in recent weeks.  But you know what else happened in the last month or two, besides Perkins getting traded?  Doc has started to rest Garnett more.  Perk got traded at the end of February, and in March/April KG has played less than 30 minutes per game ... only 60% of his team's minutes.  Now, follow me here.  The team trades it's starting center...the two other starting caliber centers are injured for most of this period...even the 3rd center, Krstic, has been in-and-out of the line-up.  And during that period, the all-world big man on the squad has been sitting for 40% of the game action.  You know what that's a recipe for?  A squad getting torched, especially in the paint, for almost half of every game.  Now, go back and notice that the team is +11 with KG on the court and -13 with him off the court in that stretch...and maybe the team's struggles start to make a bit more sense when taken in context.

Now, for the final punchline: KG's minutes go WAY up in the postseason.  While he was around 29 minutes per game during the last couple of months of both the 2008 and 2010 seasons, when the playoffs came around that all changed.  So, even barring any other team improvements (which, realistically, should be forthcoming) and barring any other returns to health (which, realistically should be forthcoming), the Celtics will soon be playing their 2 best players together for 36 minutes/game for the first time since...well, since the playoffs of their last two Finals runs.

In summary, KG and Pierce are really, really good.  When they both play, the Celtics have played the best of any unit in the NBA this year.  And once the playoff start, they'll be playing together a LOT more than they have since the last time the team was in the championship.  Taken together, this is a very realistic, very quantifiable reason for Celtics fans to be very optimistic about this postseason.

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Excellent post - kudos for your effort. 'Nuff said. Let the playoffs begin.

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by lygafe on Apr 12, 2011 4:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks, once again, drza44,

for an excellent article.

I totally concur with your analysis.

IMHO, Garnett should be without question considered DPOY. Its just a ridiculous crime of popularity that Howard will will likely get it.

Here is an interesting article on the NBA’s top defender’s, this year:

http://www.backpicks.com/2011/04/11/the-nbas-top-defenders-in-2011/

And Pierce – he has just been the ultimate do-everything complete basketball player this year.

"We will take it easy, and walk on down our road at our pace with our focus ahead, and your focus on us." - Warrior Spirit, on what Celtics' Ubuntu is.

by mmmmm on Apr 12, 2011 5:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for the link...

…I really like ElGee’s work, as it is very comprehensive in nature and (as far as I know) he doesn’t have any strong team bias. I actually would like to have written a similar article if I’d had the time, so I’m glad this one is out there. And in the comments of that particular article a question is asked that I’ve been actively wondering for awhile now…if by just about every defensive metric there is, Garnett comes out as the best or (at worst) 2nd best defensive player in the league this year…why isn’t there even a hint of talk that he could be the DPoY? In ESPN’s last panel vote, Howard was voted DPoY on something like 29 of the 30 ballots with only Grant Hill getting a dissenting vote. ::Shrugs:: Not vital, just kind of interesting to me.

by drza44 on Apr 13, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

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by OttawaCeltic on Apr 12, 2011 5:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Oops

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by OttawaCeltic on Apr 12, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

So nicely written and points well made.

We should feel better now than last year and I am sure these guys will do a great job come playoff time. People wrote Celtics off last year. Guess what ! We came within four minutes of a championship win. This year we are definitely better with a stronger bench as seen from Washinton game. Banner 18 is on the way. Go Celtics.

by TSV on Apr 12, 2011 5:44 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

Soo true!

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by OttawaCeltic on Apr 12, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am glad you are with me too.

by TSV on Apr 12, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep!

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by OttawaCeltic on Apr 12, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

great article

Resting KG is why Doc is overplaying the Baby. Start the playoffs, and Doc will stop messing with the rotation.

Go Celtics!!!

Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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by aporel#18 on Apr 12, 2011 7:25 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

Doc should, oh sorry for the mistake, HAS TO stop giving Baby so much minutes. we got more bigs outside of him and the minutes keep giving Glen some pressure. Heck, I rather see 20 min for Baby and Stitch instead of 30 min Baby and 10 min for Stitch. But I have feeling this problem will happen…

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by OttawaCeltic on Apr 13, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wonderful article

What a well written article. It truly made some concise points on why the Celtics are The Beasts of the East, and an extremely formidable foe for the NBA Championship. Winning Banner #18 is about surviving the playoffs. First off, there are no back to backs, as we love to comfort ourselves for when we have played badly. But truly, it’s about skill, talent, creating match-up problems, and the experience to handle the pressure. All of which we possess.
Will any one truly remember the Chicago Bulls for getting the number one seed when they are exited from the playoffs. Why? Not enough experience or offensive fire power after you account for Derrick Rose’s forty points. Who is going to carry them after that, Boozer, Noah.? The same for Miami. Don’t turn the ball over resulting in easy transition baskets. After you account for Lebron’s 30 points, D Wade’s 30points, and Bosh’s 10, on a good night between the three, who is going to beat you consistently? Chalmers? Bibby?
Now look at position match ups and effectiveness. The Celtics start three players that will enter The Hall of Fame on the first ballot. They have a starting point guard that no one can stay in front of, and when he is on his game, when all the marbles count, gets our Big Three the ball in some great scoring positions. He does this when he is attacking the rim with a vengeance, and can even get a couple assists for the popcorn guy.
The Celtics do have the best four players at their positions, and their skill and versatility, allows for many talented players to be the fifth. It does not have to be a center. It could be a faster, more transitional offensive unit.
But anytime, anywhere, you are playing for all the marbles, and you have Rondo, Ray, Paul, and KG on the floor, you have an excellent opportunity to win them. Because in the end, the true success of your season, will be judged on if you win all the marbles. I’ll take our guys, anytime,anywhere..

by Livestrong34 on Apr 13, 2011 12:12 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree with the importance of match-ups...

…in fact, if time allows, this will likely be one of the future “Realistic Optimism” points I’d like to make later in the week.

by drza44 on Apr 13, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well-done article

However, if Rondo doesn’t bring his “A” game, I don’t think much of this will matter. If he does, Celts will win round one easily.

by vinnie on Apr 13, 2011 12:15 AM EDT reply actions  

As always, the voice of cautioned restraint...

…I agree with some of your point, but not your extent. If Rondo doesn’t bring his “A” game the Celtics could have trouble against the Heat or possibly the Lakers, IMO. But against the Knicks the Celtics shouldn’t have much trouble either way.

But yet another potential future “Realistic Optimism” point is that in the last 2 years Rondo has shown a marked proclivity for stepping up his game and carrying a larger load in the postseason. Especially against teams without dominant interior defenders. Unless Orlando beats Chicago (which is actually a solid possibility) we shouldn’t see one of those teams during the Eastern Conference playoffs. So based on history and match-up, the odds are very strong that Rondo does in-fact bring his “A” game for the postseason.

by drza44 on Apr 13, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

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by OttawaCeltic on Apr 13, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think anyone would really disagree on how important Rondo is to the equation.

Its pretty clear that we cannot afford to lose any of the Big 4. Beyond this article, there are plenty of stats that show that our efficiencies take a dive whenever we are missing any one of those four guys from the floor. And when Rondo plays poorly, that’s almost (not quite) as bad as being ‘missing’.

In a given game, we can usually tolerate a poor showing or absence by any single one of them. The other three are so good together that usually they can more than make up for it. The margin gets really tight, though. And if it bleeds over to a poor showing by one more of the big 4, the team suddenly looks very mediocre.

This team will go as far as the Big 4 – and by that I mean ALL of the Big 4 – will carry it.

"We will take it easy, and walk on down our road at our pace with our focus ahead, and your focus on us." - Warrior Spirit, on what Celtics' Ubuntu is.

by mmmmm on Apr 13, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

-1

I disagree because I would like it if the bench carried our load off some games. Example: The bench 5 (yea, Stitch and ‘Pick a Oneal’ too) combined for 40+ pts and 50+ minutes in say 5 games till the Eastern Finals

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by OttawaCeltic on Apr 13, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

That _may_ happen and it would be _great_ if it happened

but that’s not something I would rely on as our road to a title.

Ignoring blow-outs, the Big 4 are going to consume probably around 40 minutes per game per position at the the 1-4 spots, with BBD, Green & Delonte’ filling out the remaining 32 minutes. Shaq, JO & NK will fill the 48 at the C.

Basically, we should have some combination of Big 4 + C on the floor for over 80% of the possessions.

Granted, blowouts will allow Doc to deviate from that and give the bench more time. But it will be up to the Big 4 to get those blowouts going.

"We will take it easy, and walk on down our road at our pace with our focus ahead, and your focus on us." - Warrior Spirit, on what Celtics' Ubuntu is.

by mmmmm on Apr 13, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent read

Nice work!! Near the end of the article you touched on a point that is often overlooked with all the recent doom and gloom. The ability to rest players down the stretch.

Even though the results have been mixed since the trade, one very important thing came about because of it. Healthy bodies. Healthy bodies allow you to rest players such as Pierce and Garnett. Pre trade, we didn’t have anyone capable of giving the team minutes and allowing key starters to rest more down the stretch. Post trade they did.

Obviously Krstic and Green’s contributions haven’t lived up to what most have hoped for to this point. However, the fact they have been able to suit up and actually play cannot be understated. Both have averaged more than 22 minutes per game since arriving, while missing only two games due to the Krstic knee bruise.

Prior to last night’s game, Green and Krstic had provided the team with 1043 game minutes. Over the same period Perk and Robinson had provided OKC with only about 391 minutes. If my math is correct that’s 652 minutes difference.

652 minutes over the course of 24 games is more than 27 minutes per game. That’s 27 minutes each and every game that somebody would have to have picked up. Most likely the majority of those minutes would have had to go to Pierce, Davis and Garnett.

by King Coebra on Apr 13, 2011 2:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Good point about the healthy bodies angle...

…I’ve always thought that was either an under-looked or an under-appreciated aspect of the trade. At the time the trade was made, Perkins was out again (would be for the next few weeks), Semih was playing hurt after recently returning from injury, and both O’Neals were still on the shelf. We were looking at a situation where KG and Baby were the only healthy bigs and were going to have to play heavy minutes, along with more time for Chris Johnson-type pick-ups.

Krstic and Green, whatever you think of them, were able to eat up minutes and let our guys rest in the season. The counter to that argument would be that Perkins is so much better than what we have that in the postseason, where it counts, he’d make the team much better. Obviously, I disagree with that. I think we got the best of both worlds in the trade…more “innings eaters” to rest our arms for the season, and a post-season roster that should be at least as strong as what we would have had with Perkins…if not more-so. Time will tell, and I’m pretty happy that the time for telling is ALMOST HERE. FINALLY!!!

by drza44 on Apr 13, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

very, very important point.

"We will take it easy, and walk on down our road at our pace with our focus ahead, and your focus on us." - Warrior Spirit, on what Celtics' Ubuntu is.

by mmmmm on Apr 13, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome

You are the Big Ticket of Celticsblog

by jdpapa3 on Apr 13, 2011 12:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Excellent Post

Dig the effort, great post.

by rtifishul on Apr 13, 2011 1:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Excellent Comments

King Coebra, an excellent mathematical analysis on the importance of healthy bodies, and what Green and Kristic were able to accomplish after the trade. No matter what you feel about them as a player. I also agreed with the take that it’s not as far as Rondo will take this team, but how far the Big Four will take it. Ever since the Perk trade, the media has created a plague among Celtic fans by continually creating a drama that is truly non existent, yet we have brethren that are doom n gloom. I recognize more than anyone the player that Perkin’s is, and cheer for him every night in the West. But exactly how many games did Perk help us win this year. It was the Big Four that found a way to win those 40 +games without Perk, and it is them that all are Championship Dreams are attached too, as we wish upon the Big Four star.
drza 44, what an informative and insightful article, and excellent follow up comments. I agree with you on the importance of match ups, and it will be that ability to create mismatches that will determine if this team will win a Championship. There are many different facets of basketball you can say you must do to win a Championship, but creating mismatches is at the top of the list. The reason..after you defend ferociously in a half court set, as the game is winding down, is offensive possession becomes more and more important. The Celtics must have the ability defensively to stop the opponent in a half court due to mismatches, but more importantly after that, be able to utilize those mismatches to execute in the half court. This half court execution will limit the possessions your opponents will have, but more importantly put points up on the board.
Our Big Four create mismatch problems for teams when we stay in the system. One player I believe is going to come up big in the playoffs is Jeff Green. Just his physical build and athleticism creates many types of mismatches at small forward, and power forward. He doesn’t know his role compared to the other four. Is he supposed to be a black hole, lol…or is he supposed to be aggressive, passive, shoot, slash, ally oop, post-up, rebound, pick n roll, short range, mid range, long range jumper. He has the tools to be a menace to defend. But our Celtic hopes and dreams for Banner 18, will be as realistic as our ability to defend, limit the amount of possessions, and execute on the offensive end. Creating match ups and match up problems in this equation will be the difference to winning Banner 18, or blaming it on if we only had Perk….

by Livestrong34 on Apr 13, 2011 2:32 PM EDT reply actions  

KG and Pierce are the Anchors

Thanks for sharing your insight. I’ve noticed myself that KG and Pierce have done exceptionally well this season. When KG gets hot with that long-range shot and Pierce is dunking on fools, the C’s are unstoppable. These two know exactly what it takes to win a championship.

I’ve also watched alot of post-game interviews w/ these two and even though the media will come at them w/ doubt-filled questions, they maintain their positive thoughts. I can tell in their demeanor that they still have alot of faith in their team and what they can achieve.

by TeamBasketball on Apr 13, 2011 6:24 PM EDT reply actions  

give this man a Tommy Point

do you think Doc shut down Garnett early this year because of that injury scare he had?

by Ogaju on Apr 14, 2011 10:37 PM EDT reply actions  

we can't trade them

If they get us deep into the playoffs again this year, would you trade them next year?

They might have to take a pay cut for it to happen but they should be Celtics for at least another 2 years. They could move to the bench or something, but they shouldn’t stop playing. They are too valuable as leaders, and they are both still extremely efficient.

by KansasCelt on Apr 19, 2011 4:47 PM EDT reply actions  

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