Jermaine O'Neal Waiting for that Confetti
He's playing in his 15th season, has scored over 12,000 points, grabbed over 6,500 rebounds, and blocked over 1,600 shots. But Jermaine O'Neal won't be satisfied if he retires not knowing what it's like to feel confetti streaming down from above.
Coming to Boston wasn't about the money, although it certainly was an enticing offer. It was about the chance to do something he's never been able to do. Something that Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, and Paul Pierce couldn't do alone either.
The season hasn't played out the way O'Neal, or anybody for that matter, hoped, as O'Neal has missed 56 games to date. But with four games under his belt since recovering from left knee surgery, and five more to go before the postseason, there appears to be enough time left. The Celtics have their starting center that, before the regular season began, many thought would be starting come the postseason.
"[Against the 76ers] I felt really good, especially in that third quarter," O'Neal said after the game, wiping the sweat from his forehead before he left. "I felt normal. Just getting in better shape. Just focusing on what the team needs me to do. Defensively I got to be able to anchor the D, contest shots, and rebound the basketball."
O'Neal played 12 minutes of solid basketball Tuesday night, scoring nine points and grabbing three rebounds, as he works to rebuild his stamina and get back into game-shape. For the Celtics, that can't come at a soon enough time. His defensive presence down low is exactly what the team has been lacking since both O'Neal's went down.
"J.O. was terrific," Doc Rivers said after the game. "You know, he was aggressive, he was attacking, his defense was phenomenal. I mean he's just been really good since he's been back. Just buys in; we rarely go to him but he gets the ball in the right places because he's in the right spots. Defensively he's been very good."
And on defense is where O'Neal will earn his eventual increased playing time. He knows this, and is doing the things he needs to do to be effective out there.
"Making sure I wave at shots because altering shots is just as good as a blocked shot," he said. "Covering the ground, covering the pick and roll, felt really good especially in the third quarter. Being able to make multiple moves, being able to show, getting back to the basket, trying to contest the shots. So those are the things I'm really concentrating on."
It's no surprise that O'Neal is buying into Doc's system. He came here to be a part of the bigger picture.
"It's whatever the team needs," O'Neal said. "I'm not at a position in my life, in my career anymore, where it's about numbers.
"It's about trying to finish a job that I was given an opportunity to do and that's help this team win a championship. Anything else after that really doesn't matter. I just want to make sure that I get to a level that is comfortable not just for myself but for the team too."
Getting to that level has been quite an uphill battle, one that O'Neal did everything in his power to avoid, but eventually had no choice but to go though with.
"The difference is in this league, the people who are in it for the wrong reason would have laid down," O'Neal said. "They would have laid down and say ‘OK I had knee surgery my year is over'. I fought it. I fought it before the surgery. I didn't want to do it. I was out there on one leg basically fighting the swelling because I'm prideful. I'm dedicated to the job that has been given to me. I've never been one to take the easy way out."
It's not the first time O'Neal has fought through injuries. He fought through countless injuries in Indiana, and played through last season's playoff's on the Heat (against the Celtics) with a terribly swollen left ankle.
In Chicago, O'Neal trained hard twice a day, testing his body's limits until he knew he was good to return to the team. Now that he's back, the Celtics are "hovering" close, as he put it, to make sure he doesn't overdo it.
"It was hard," he said of being away from the team for so long. "I kept in touch with the guys. You know, just talking to the team, they were asking where I was, what I was doing, how I was doing. And that means a lot, whether you guys know it or not when your brothers care enough about how you're doing and what's going on."
It's not just his teammates that have been there for O'Neal, it's the fans in Boston who have made this tough time on him a little easier to handle.
"It's been a long process, and anytime I've been to a grocery store, anytime I've been to a movie theatre, the city has made me feel really good. So in those dog days that I've had trying to get back, that's the reason why I continue to push because a lot of people have really made me feel right at home.
"It wasn't one of those situations where people see you in the streets and say what's happening and are very negative. So I feel good about playing for Boston, I feel good about the support I'm getting from my team and I'm going to do all that I can do to bring Banner 18 back to Boston."
For more than ten seasons, O'Neal has been on Eastern Conference teams competing against the Celtics. Who can forget that epic playoff series back in 2003 when the Celtics ended up defeating the Pacers in six games? Before Garnett and Allen came to down, that was perhaps the best season since the late 1980's. Jermaine O'Neal was the centerpiece of that Pacers team that season. Years later, he's playing for the then "enemy" and realizes how lucky that is.
"This is special man, I'm going to be honest," he said. "All these years of playing against the Celtics, I always walked in and looked at the banners and looked at the following that this city has had and you can feel the energy in the building. Now I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum where I'm a part of it, and I might not get this any more.
"All these years, I've accomplished a lot of things in my career but it doesn't really matter. This is what matters. The champagne, the confetti, the tears - that's what matters. I'm not about to let nothing - surgery, anything - take away at least the opportunity."
O'Neal was the biggest thing to happen to the Pacers since Reggie Miller. Miller retired from the NBA after 18 seasons with the Pacers in which he became known as one of the deadliest shooters in the league. One thing Miller will never have though is an NBA championship ring.
O'Neal and Miller talked over the offseason, and it was then that Miller told him that it was all about getting the opportunity to win a championship at this stage in O'Neal's career. He took that to heart when deciding upon where to sign next.
"I watch almost every championship game at different levels, whether it's baseball, football, college, or whatever. I watch the confetti. I watch the emotions. I watch the tears. Because it takes a lot."
It's taken a lot out of Jermaine O'Neal to get to where he is today. But he still has enough left in him to help the Celtics win a championship this season.
Recovering from in-season surgery is no easy task, but O'Neal has worked hard to do it. Now, he's given himself, and the Celtics, something only they have the power to make the most of.
An opportunity.
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great read
very candid and emotional, glad he’s a Celtic
oh plz!!!!!
The guy is SOFT people. Why can’t you all see that? Mark my words… he will get injured before the season is over. I don’t think he can help it seriously.
We won’t have any big at all in the playoff. I know some of you willl think that I’M just being negative and that’s ok.
He might be injury prone, but what makes you think he's soft?
I don’t think he’s “soft” either on or off the court. The guy played through injuries for both Indiana and Miami, and he plays tough defense on the court.
He’s had terrible luck with injuries, and has been wildly overpaid in his career. That leads people to draw conclusions about him, and I don’t think they’re fair or accurate.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
I agree, Roy
Too many times, people confuse injury-prone with soft. It’s not when a guy gets injured that makes him soft, it’s what he does after it that counts IMO. Injuries are a part of the game, and as C’s fans we should all know this by now. But guys like DWest, JO and the now-departed Perkins are the ones who bust their humps to get back despite injuries.
When I think of “soft” I think of players who go down, could get back up but opt not to do so. I don’t seet that from JO at all. He could’ve checked out on the season by now, just been happy to collect his money. But he’s coming back off of knee surgery – and tried to gut out the pain before even having the surgery so he could help the team. This season, despite my frustrations with injuries, JO has earned a lot of my respect.
You just got Rondo'd
The "soft" perception has much to do with his "body-type"...
JO and Pau Gasol are both around 7`0" and 225 lbs.
No coincidence, both are considered “soft”.
Unless you`re a wide-body, and weigh 325 like Shaq or 280 like Perk…expect the soft label.
Uh... who considers him "soft"
I’ve actually heard the exact opposite about him through his career. He’s always been known as a physical presence in the lane, someone who likes to bump and bruise you.
Maybe due to his injury history, some consider him soft, but the talk about Pau is his play on the Basketball court, so those are two different things.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
04 + 07 = 11
Uh....Just within the past 2 weeks alone
Amare Stoudemire and Kendrick Perkins both referred to Gasol as “soft”.
Your post made it sound like you were talking about JO.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
04 + 07 = 11
by Sizzlack on Apr 7, 2011 1:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I was just joining the "JO is soft" debate...
That was started by the three people “posting” right above me {celtz_believer, Roy_ Hobbs, RJ87}
Ya, but you just talked about people referring to Gasol as soft...
You’re confusing me dude…
“No coincidence, both are considered "soft”"
So again… who considers JO soft, cause I’ve literally never heard that said about him (other than the injury questions.)
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
04 + 07 = 11
Gasol`s reputation throughout the NBA = Soft
Everybody is aware of Gasol`s reputation. He is viewed as “soft”. There can be no debate about that issue Whether it`s deserved or not is another story.
As for JO, the posters above me started a debate about him being soft as well. I entered that debate that JO & Gasol are not wide-bodies like Shaq or Perkins, thus making them easy targets for being accused of being soft, especially whenever either suffers an injury.
How is this so confusing for you????
Because other than celtz up there...
I’ve literally never heard any perception of anyone calling JO soft. Not from players, coaches, GMs, no one.
I mentioned this, and you say “Well Perk and Amare called him soft” which was about Gasol… so I didn’t get what you meant.
Far as fans opinions, I could care less what they think if a player is soft, fan opinions are biased and only rarely based on any real fact. If players come out and say stuff like that (like Amare and Perk did) ok different story.
So again, my original question still holds, where are people getting this idea that anyone has ever called JO soft?
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
04 + 07 = 11
That`s what "Basketball Reference" has him listed at...
Granted, that figure does seem very low.
Yes, there's a big difference between soft and frequently injured (though not necessarily mutually exclusive).
Delonte is frequently injured too, but he’s the last guy I’d call soft.
I can’t really speak to how JO was previous to coming to Boston. Did he fight as hard to come back from his various injuries elsewhere as he has here? It seems to me that the perception of him was that he did not. I have no idea if that perception is merited or not, but here, at least, he clearly did all he could to come back, so at least in Boston, I don’t regard him as soft at all. Not in his approach to dealing with injury, and definitely not in his play on the court.
Yes, he has...
Last year in Miami, he was playing hurt in the playoffs (which is, in large part, why he stunk).
In Indiana, he repeatedly played through pain. Here’s a quote:
Jermaine O’Neal sat at his locker, sore left knee bandaged, exasperation written all over his face. Not defeat, though. Never that. At least not yet.
The Indiana Pacers All-Star power forward wasn’t supposed to play Wednesday night against the Spurs. A hard foul in a loss at Houston on Tuesday aggravated a knee injury that had been diagnosed as a sprain just two weeks ago. X-rays were negative, but team doctors told him to sit one out. On the second night of a back-to-back, it was just common sense for him to rest.
But O’Neal isn’t interested in common sense right now. He’s in a playoff chase. Calling it a blessing that the teams with records similar to Indiana’s in the Eastern Conference continue to lose, he’s going to continue to fight. He took his cortisone shot and manned up.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
That's nice to read
Just goes to show that often times perception has little relationship to reality. Pretty OT, but false perceptions like those about JO bring to mind the fact that whole ideologies and world views are not infrequently built upon nonsense and wishful thinking. Repeat obvious nonsense a zillion times over a lifetime, and have consequences for heretical thought, and people will accept practically any foolishness as ‘fact’, but I waaaay digress.
I'm all for JO.
The only thing I think JO did wrong was wait as long as he did to have the surgery. Did it cost us any games? That’s the only problem I have with him.
He wants a ring. WE ALL WANT BANNER 18!!! He’s doing everything he can to help us get it. We are not going to get it without him.
NO
He’s not soft at all. JO is a 7 time All Star who was one of the best post players at both ends of the floor in his prime. He’s been reduced because of injuries, but I really despise it when fans call players “soft” who get injured. In that case, Delonte must be “soft” as well (and he’s one of the toughest competitors I’ve seen on the floor throughout his injury-plagued career).
by McHaleinthepost on Apr 6, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I like where you’re going with this. I highly agree. The guy in the paint has made an obvious difference on the shots people are taking on the C’s. He sounds confident in his body right now so I’m going to have to trust that.
Now to get Mr Green to buy into Docs scheme….
SAVE THE PLANET. GO GREEN!
by CaliforniaGreen on Apr 6, 2011 9:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed about JO not being soft, but I’ve also missed any signs of Green not buying into Doc’s system.
I think there’s a lot to process for a young guy playing two positions and coming into this defense and offense late in the year. Doc is after changing the level of aggression with which he plays, but I haven’t got the idea that Green’s not doing his best for him out there.
by clover on Apr 6, 2011 10:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Meaning when he starts to do all the things Doc has openly said he needs to do like be more aggressive and not worry about stepping on toes and to be more active on the boards. That was the “scheme” I was speaking of. Lovin his glimpses of brilliance though. Can’t wait to see more
SAVE THE PLANET. GO GREEN!
by CaliforniaGreen on Apr 6, 2011 1:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed about JO not being soft, but I’ve also missed any signs of Green not buying into Doc’s system.
I think there’s a lot to process for a young guy playing two positions and coming into this defense and offense late in the year. Doc is after changing the level of aggression with which he plays, but I haven’t got the idea that Green’s not doing his best for him out there.
by clover on Apr 6, 2011 10:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agree 100% Mchaleinthepost.
J.O. and Delonte may be fragile health wise, but both players are in no way soft and are 2 of the toughest players mentally and physically speaking l think you will find in the NBA.
+1
But I also think JO didn’t start off well with C’s. Came in out of shape with a bum knee. Why didn’t he just get the surgery done at beginning of season. He was on the fence for about half the season
Trying to be too tough?
Surgery is/was also risky. He could have ended up worse off or having a long rehab that would have cost him this chance to play with a title contender.
"We will take it easy, and walk on down our road at our pace with our focus ahead, and your focus on us." - Warrior Spirit, on what Celtics' Ubuntu is.
That’s speculation. He should’ve just gotten the surgery near beginning of season and get it over with instead of trying to play on it midseason.
You are kidding me?
It would have been speculation to have the surgery back then as well.
You are acting as if one could have known with 100% certainty that the surgery would go well and that the rehab would be timely enough to return this season.
Whether to tough it out and play through pain or to have the surgery – both roads were uncertain. Hindsight is hindsight. It does you no good before you have it.
"We will take it easy, and walk on down our road at our pace with our focus ahead, and your focus on us." - Warrior Spirit, on what Celtics' Ubuntu is.
This statement is even more speculative than your previous statement
Lol, I’ve never heard a doctor report an unsuccessful surgery on espn. As far as rehabs go, he had nowhere to go but up, lol. The guy was out of shape.
Eh...
Surgery isn’t fool-proof. There are plenty of guys who were never the same, even after surgery. Jamal Mashburn, Shaun Livingston, etc. (and I’m sure there are more egregious examples).
Of course, JO was talking about a scope, so I never quite understood the hesitancy. However, we’re talking about a matter of a few weeks earlier, rather than getting the surgery at the beginning of the season (when there were no reports it was necessary.)
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
The common fear about even a scope
is that the scope will find something new, more serious than what is suspected prior to surgery.
For an example, look no further than Kevin Garnett. It was not until they went in and looked that they knew the full extent of the damage.
Heck – that was true of my own shoulder (rotator cuff) last fall. I had delayed that surgery for about 10 months knowing that the rehab might end up being long and I had to deal with my father’s open-heart surgery in the mean time and could not afford to have my own thing going on. So I endured months of pain. After finally having the surgery, and understanding how much damage was there and how long the rehab has ended up – it was indeed right for me to delay the surgery.
"We will take it easy, and walk on down our road at our pace with our focus ahead, and your focus on us." - Warrior Spirit, on what Celtics' Ubuntu is.
Look what I found
http://hardwoodhoudini.com/2010/11/08/walking-wounded-jermaine-oneal-had-minor-knee-surgery/
Turns out he did have surgery and he didn’t think it worked
That wasn't a full scope.
It doesn’t really define what the “minor procedure is” but what JO had done in the end, was a full knee scope, where they go in and clean out any and all scar tissue or spurs around the bone in the knees. It allows the knee to heal back stronger, removing basically dead tissue that weakens the surrounding muscles.
Completely different thing we’re talking about here, they don’t really say what was done there, but suffice to say it wasn’t to the level of the surgery he ended up having.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
04 + 07 = 11
I know
Just thought it was funny that the procedure didn’t work for him
WHAT, exactly, is 'speculative' in my post.
To be speculative, I would have to assert something.
The ONLY assertions in my post are the sentence, “It would have been speculation to have the surgery ..” and the phrase “both roads were uncertain”.
Are you arguing with either of those assertions?
"We will take it easy, and walk on down our road at our pace with our focus ahead, and your focus on us." - Warrior Spirit, on what Celtics' Ubuntu is.
Ya, basically all I've gotten from your posts is...
“Surgery is risky, don’t blame him for being cautious.”
Which is hardly speculative. Not really sure where garcia is coming from there.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
04 + 07 = 11
I don’t think the surgery route was uncertain. He at least would’ve known that something even bigger needed to be done. It’s either finding that out at the beginning of the season and dealing with it or struggling all year and keeping us in suspense of when he was going to play next, if at all
Look, here's the bottom line..
If you can avoid surgery, you do it. Any surgery, any at all, can bring about it’s own complications, there are no guarantees, it might work 99% of the time, but if you don’t have to risk being in that 1%, you don’t.
The Doctors all told him there was optimism rehab would work, the knee could be strengthened. They tried that, they did treatments, they did everything they could possibly do. It didn’t work, so in the end they had no choice. But you can’t fault him for not jumping under the knife as quick as possible.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
04 + 07 = 11
Further -
I don’t think this is the kind of decision an athlete should take with much weight given to whether fans are kept in suspense.
Worrying about the ease of mind of some fan blogging on the internet is pretty much the last thing I would expect them to do.
"We will take it easy, and walk on down our road at our pace with our focus ahead, and your focus on us." - Warrior Spirit, on what Celtics' Ubuntu is.
If you were paying a few thousand dollars for season tickets, you’d probably be pitchforking and torching it as a fan.
I don’t think an athlete should take it lightly either. I still think JO had enough surgeries to know. What’s one more in his case? He even mentioned being able to play with his children might be a problem.
They also seem like the type of players that have your back no matter what.
Like if someone were to mess with KG, Paul or Ray, I can see Delonte or even Jermaine standing up for their teammates. They seem loyal to their team and their teammates. That to me along with both of them fighting and trying to get healthy to help win a championship makes me appreciate them more as players.
Anyways I agree they maybe fragile health wise due to injuries, but they’re no where near soft when it comes to them being healthy. They’re both mentally and physically tough when healthy.
by JoT on Apr 6, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
What's being an all star have to do with being soft?
Tank Carter was an all-star
Shareef Abdur-Rahim was a multiple NBA all-star
To name just a couple.
Some of us call Jermaine soft because he appears to play when he feels like playing.
by Finkelskyhook on Apr 6, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
So far, JO's felt like playing in some 24814 minutes of NBA game time (not including playoffs).
Was he ‘soft’ while playing those minutes or ‘soft’ while not playing?
I’m really not sure what the heck ‘soft’ means here. Is he huggable and squeezable?
How often have you felt like playing?
"We will take it easy, and walk on down our road at our pace with our focus ahead, and your focus on us." - Warrior Spirit, on what Celtics' Ubuntu is.
What does that mean?
A ‘+1’ means you are echoing the point made in a comment.
A ‘-1’ (normally) means you are disagreeing with the point made in a comment.
My comment consists os 1 fact (not something that can be disagreed with) and 3 questions. So a ‘-1’ doesn’t appear to make any sense.
"We will take it easy, and walk on down our road at our pace with our focus ahead, and your focus on us." - Warrior Spirit, on what Celtics' Ubuntu is.
Not sure how you can reach that conclusion after reading the article.
JO made it clear he is playing to the ring and will do whatever it takes. He could have sat out the rest of the year after surgery but did not. I respect your opinion but do not see how you can make the next leap and write that we will have bo bigs for the playoffs. We can only go by the news we get and what we can see, and so far it looks like Krstic has recovered and Shaq will be back this weekend. If we have all 3 bigs for the playoffs then I really like our chances.
Let’s give JO the benefit of the doubt. Real test for the team coming up Thursday and then Sunday.
by JPV on Apr 6, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
JO surprised me
To be honest, I was about to write off JO this season. But in the few games he has been back, he surprised me. Hope he will prove me wrong again and again in a much bigger way comes the playoff. We need some big wide bodies in the middle now that Perkins is not walking thru that door for us anymore.
I've been saying all along...
“Expect nothing, and he wont disappoint you.” The bottom line is, we could not expect anything out of JO, that’s not his own fault, but it’s just the way it is. There was, and still might be, no guarantees his health will be good enough to really help the team. So due to that risk, you can’t have high expectations.
That being said, if we could suddenly wave a magic wand and make him 100% healthy, then absolutely you’d have huge expectations for him. Take all the health problems out, and if we’re only talking about talent, and JO could make this team incredibly good.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
04 + 07 = 11
I love this guy
It’s too bad his career has been tainted by the Palace Brawl and injuries, because not only was he a great player when healthy but also one of the league’s most thoughtful (and sweetest) guys.
He's lucky that
Ron Artest and Stephen Jackson ran into the stands, because they’re exponentially crazier than JO. I feel like people remember JO was a part of that a little less than the other too
But I’ve always liked Jermaine. I really hope he gets that confetti
Solid read, Jimmy
P2 is the man.
Both O'neals came here to win a championship
I think they’ll do their best to get it, if we can stay healthy our chances are big.
Yup..
Its all about health now.
If the team and the 2 Oneal’s can stay healthy , the C’s chances to win a title will be very strong this year.
It always has been all about health.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
04 + 07 = 11
I honestly wanted him to be the one traded in the trade deadline...
…But his performance since his first game back from knee surgery has been… using one of Doc’s favorite words… phenomenal!! I’d say he’s playing better now than before he got injured last year. And yes, it doesn’t show on the stat sheet but he does “alter” a lot of shots in the paint and i agree that it’s pretty much the same as a blocked shot!
With Shaq on board, i wonder if Doc will try a twin tower combo of JO – Shaq or JO – Krstic for teams with a big lineup.. That’ll be pretty interesting!
Against immobile PFs, it could work.
Against teams with 4s that play in the key, we could go that big with JO at the PF, but against the mobile bigs that have a mid-range and perimeter game, we will get killed. Chris Bosh and Amare take jumpers so we would need a big that cover fast enough (KG). Boozer mixes it up a bit, so I think for small stretches we could do that against Chicago.
JO could cover the Pau Gasol's of the world.
But that’s it. You need a guy who isn’t quick off the dribble, or particularly athletic.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
04 + 07 = 11
Agree 100%
I also want to see J.O. at power forward and have posted about the possibility at times earlier this season.
Id like to see a twin tower duo of Shaq and J.O. because I think that would completely shut down the paint for opponents to score in the paint and control the boards as well.
You probably can use the duo together against teams with big front lines of course (but if J.O. feels healthy since he is a agile and athletic big) Id also like to see Doc use J.O. at the 4 position even against smaller opposing 4’s to utilize his length and size as the C’s did in the 80’s when they used Mchale at the 4 position, when he also was usually slower then his opponents but utilized his length and size at the position to his and the teams adavantage.
Last I checked, KG is 7ft and is a better defender than either O’Neal. I am worried about who is going to cover Dwight (and much more importantly Bynum) for 40+ min. Neither O’Neal can jump for rebounds and Kristic and JO will be overpowered. Have you guys seen how Bynum is rebounding? We don’t have the luxury of experimenting with our centers.
by Yogesh Raghunathan on Apr 6, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I think our trio of centers..
will be thrown at Howard and Bynum and will give them a different look when eacxh is on the court.
I think Shaq will use pure brute strength to deny Howard and Bynum there sweet spots on offense and on the boards.
I think J.O. who is not as powerful as Howard or Bynum will utilize his speed and quickness and shot blocking abilities against both players instead.
I think Krstic who is 7 feet and 240 pounds and who will not worry about getting in foul trouble since his minutes will be limited (if Shaq and J.O are healthy) will try to play both Howard and Bynum very physically also especially on defense.
I think again if all 3 centers are healthy this is the most important issue for the C’s so they can have as much depth and fouls at the center position as possible to throw at there opponents as they enter the playoffs.
I get how y’all are hoping for the best and i am too. However, we’ve been battling injuries since the dang start of the season till now. Even if our bigs get healthy now, nothing proves they won’t get injured again in the playoffs. A washed up Shaq and a soft-body JO won’t do it guys. They’ve been injured all year and that’s not gunna change in the playoffs. I’m sorry but there’s no reason for me to be optimistic when i already know whats gunna happen furtheralong.
You have a good reason to feel that way
And Shaq’s injuries seem to be lingering. But JO is good now. He has no issues with the knee to this point. You almost get the feeling that he would by now if the surgery wasn’t successful. He’s getting into game shape. With him, Krstic, and Davis healthy, and Shaq available for spot duty, it could work.
by Jimmy Toscano on Apr 6, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough to question the O'neals health going into the playoffs.
We were all witnesses of the injuries throughout the season. The hope is mainly based on the playoff schedule. No back-to-backs. At times even three days between games to put in a practice day and get legs fresh. The pace of the playoffs slows down to enable the older teams to grind out with better chances of less injuries. The running and gunning of the regular season doesn’t help much.
So your questioning the O’neals health is very fair and warranted but, the playoffs schedule helps a lot.
Your words seem to contradict your handle.
Injuries can happen any time to any one. Older players are more injury prone but the Celtics staff have done an absolutely unbelievable job to ensure that 15 guys are reasonably healthy to begin the playoffs while boasting a much better record than last year. We’ve had enough real injuries to worry about this season, lets not start worrying about injuries that may or may not happen.
by Yogesh Raghunathan on Apr 6, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
I think since the other night when he made his comeback he did not miss a beat and proved he can fit right in with the C’s without needing to many (if any) actual games under his belt , there is no need to rush him back.
I am so happy for J.O....
that he is healthy and playing well so far in his comeback attempt.
J.O. adds another dimension to the C’s when he is on the court with his in the paint defensive capabilities.
I just loved it when J.O. said when playing defense:
He try’s to…" wave at shots because altering shots is just as good as a blocked shot,"
I loved it because whenever I talk about J.O.’s defense skills I always point out how I think his shot altering skills are just as valuable as his actual shot blocking skills, so for that reason am glad that he seems to think so as well.
Its been a frustrating year for J.O. so lets all hope he can just stay healthy the rest of the way and his play and motivation to win a title will also help the C’s win banner 18.
A blessing in disguise... Nenad Krstic said:
“Maybe this [injury] was a good thing. I was thinking a lot before the game but when I stepped on the court [Tuesday], I forgot about it and just played.”
http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/columns/story?columnist=forsberg_chris&id=6299132
...Krstic has gone "mental"! ...in a very good way ;)
“I was a little bit sore and got hit again in my knee, so I kind of tweaked it again a little bit,” Krstic said. “But maybe it’s just a good thing for me to get hit, just to know in my head it’s nothing really serious and just get through it.”
“I realized, [instead of] thinking about making the right play … you just play basketball,” he said. “You’re going to come in each day and Coach is going to yell at me for five seconds and that’s that.”
>> from the same link above
good stuff
"We will take it easy, and walk on down our road at our pace with our focus ahead, and your focus on us." - Warrior Spirit, on what Celtics' Ubuntu is.
No more than 15 min on playing time.
For the rest of the season and first round on playoff. We don’t want him to get hurt anymore. We need him for the big games.
96' Draft
JO and Ray Allen are reppin’ that draft well. I hope he gets a ring. Love watching him growing up
Also JO, Pierce, and Doc all have the same birthday. Which is awesome lol
Really happy for JO
Only regret that he did not go for the surgery earlier.
As for Shaq, I notice that the Celtics are now becoming a lttle more vague about his return. I know I am the king of worrying, but I am just not sure how much the Celts are going to get from Shaq or how serious this injury really is.
I actually thought Doc was pretty candid about it.
He’s said he’ll play when he’s ready. He hopes that will be Friday, but he’s not going to expect that. Bottom line is unless Shaq comes out and says “I feel great, 100%, let’s go.” Then Doc will sit him, even the slightest discomfort, he’s sitting. This isn’t anything new.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
04 + 07 = 11
ABSOLUTELY loved this piece
I felt really inspired by him. I can feel his desire for the ring from behind my computer screen. amazing.
Where are all the nay Sayers nOw ?
The SoCal Celtic Fan!!!
by TheSOCALrebel on Apr 6, 2011 2:43 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Once again Jimmy - great article.
I jumped to the piece, started reading it, got about 2/3 down and said to myself, “This is an excellent article. This HAS to be a Jimmy Toscano piece.” Scrolled to the top to check, and there you were!
Excellent.
"We will take it easy, and walk on down our road at our pace with our focus ahead, and your focus on us." - Warrior Spirit, on what Celtics' Ubuntu is.
Haha very kind of you to say, thanks. btw can I get a first name out of you? hate to refer to you as mmmmm forever.
by Jimmy Toscano on Apr 6, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
"m5" is fine
Faster to type.
:-)
"We will take it easy, and walk on down our road at our pace with our focus ahead, and your focus on us." - Warrior Spirit, on what Celtics' Ubuntu is.
-1 to m5
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again, you are confusing me, Ottawa
‘Not sure what you are trying to say with that ’-1’.
"We will take it easy, and walk on down our road at our pace with our focus ahead, and your focus on us." - Warrior Spirit, on what Celtics' Ubuntu is.
-1
I’m just having fun lolz. You are a great “stats” man, I could tell you that.
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would rather have J.O. than Rasheed
I used to cringe every time Rasheed shot the ball. He played good in game 7 but
we needed a real post man. J. O’Neal will be one of the bigs we need this June.
Beat L.A.! Beat L.A.! Beat L.A.! Beat L.A.!
exactly
JO is not a guy who will back down against the biggest and best bigs this league has to offer. He is going to make his presence felt.
"Take it to the hoop, there's a dance involved." - DJ Tommy
Too bad we didn't have JO last year.
All Sheed wanted to do was shoot 3’s and b#&$(h at the officials. Sheed thought he was gonna get a ring latching on to somebody else’s coattails. He never had an interest in pushing himself or making any sacrifice.
+Shaq...
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lets hope this is the year his confetti falls
ill take next year too, send him off well
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Apr 7, 2011 5:38 AM EDT reply actions
final piece ?
when they signed jermaine i was like wow this is the final piece on the cake then a week later shaq comes aboard there was no doubt in my mind they were the favorites both o,neals want rings shaq wants to tie kobe jermaine wants his first if they can walk they will give everthing they have if it kills them i just hope those gimpy calfs and knees hold up cause if they dont the dream dies with them ..
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