younger, improved team, take 2
ok, awhile back i did a trade to get younger players for davis. this time i flip it up a little bit but still keep it real.
i cant find it anywhere but im pretty sure you can send up to $3m in cash in trades so im using that notion.
ok, recently there was a rumor of cav's, pistons, wolves doing a 3 way deal.
cavs get richard hamilton, #2 pick
wolves get #4 and #8 picks
pistons get cap space.
this deal is said to be dead because the pistons want a player in return. this is where we jump in. the pistons were one of the teams serious about davis when he was a restricted FA so they might want him now too. i believe there is a grace period between the end of the finals and the end of the CBA which would allow us to trade. the idea is that davis would be willing to do it as he would be the starting PF for the pistons with monroe at center.
so we send davis after being signed to a deal starting at $9m and declining each season, our 1st rounder this season to the pistons for $9m of the trade exception they get from the cavs for hamilton.
we then send that trade exception, $3m to the clippers for chris kaman (1 year $12.2m deal, celtics could then sign him to an extension). at 28 kaman, still is in his prime and his offense would open up the teams options.
cavs get the pick they want, wolves move down, pistons get rid of hamilton and add a good young PF to go with monroe, save some money, clippers save money and keep deandre jordan and free up enough cash to get a SF like prince, celtics get a good center. win-win-win-win-win
part 2: the grizzlies
the grizzlies are going to sign gasol to an extension and its going to coast them quite a bit so they will likely look to clear some cap space. last season they traded thabeets $5m and tried to trade mayo's $5.6m deal. by trading mayo they can actually sign gasol and stay under the salary cap. again, this is where we come in.
we send the trade exception we got for daniels to the grizzlies along with $2.6m cash and 2012 celtics 1st round pick for oj mayo. grizz stay below or at the cap and pick up a late round 1st rounder in next years very deep draft class. we get a scoring combo guard who plays above average defense. win-win.
part 3: MLE (assuming there still is one)
sign carl landry. very good defender and very underrated offensive game. landry would get to play on a star studded playoff team with championship hopes and would have the chance to start next season.
career 54% FG, 77% FT, 12 PTS, 4 RBS in 24 minutes, not bad for a sub
part 4: LLE (assuming there is one still)
sign earl clark. young 6'10 PF who started to show promise for the magic last season. career averages are nothing to look at but during his time with orlando he averaged 11 minutes, 44% FG, 60% FT, 4 PTS, 2.6 RBS
at 22, still has alot of room to grow and improve. being around this veteran team with hall of fame bigs like shaq and KG to learn from should help him along.
part 5: jermaine and shaq
if jermaine comes back (i hope he does) it gives us strength at the center position with him and kaman. shaq comes back and it only improves us as we really only need shaq for 5-10 minutes, hard fouls, etc....if shaq doesnt come back re-sign krstic but only for the right deal. i think both oneals come back though
part 6: RE-SIGNING OUR FA's
start with delonte, when healthy he gave us another demension to play with. with mayo on board, either can play PG or SG which makes keep arroyo a non option, IMO. result, keep delonte, let arroyo go.
green, HAVE to keep green. i think he will have a very good 2nd year with the celtics. the more he's around doc, rondo, PP, ray, KG, shaq, the better it will be for him and his game. lock him up to a 3-4 year deal.
krstic, i only see coming back in this scenerio if jermaine or shaq dont come back and the price is right or both jermaine and shaq hang them up. i think both oneals come back though so krstic goes elsewhere.
von wafer, i keep him on a cheap deal for 1 maybe even 2 year deal. he seemed to improve for us last season and if he can improve again this season could be a nice 3rd SG/SF option.
the rest can all go to other teams in this scenerio, thanks for playing.
part 7: the round about
so the celtics keep delonte, wafer, green and shaq and jermaine both come back.
we added defense, scoring and youth by adding kaman (28 yrs), mayo (23 yrs), landry (27 yrs), clark (22 yrs) to go with rondo (24), delonte (27), green (24), bradley (20) and wafer (25) plus our 2nd round draft pick who would round out the 15 man roster.
giving us a decent roster going forward
C-Kaman / JO / Shaq
PF-KG / Landry / Clark
SF-Pierce / Green
SG-Ray / Mayo / Wafer
PG-Rondo / West / Bradley
Draft Pick
it does slightly increase the team payroll this season compared to last though but the owner DID just say he will spend, SOOOOO....this season we would be at $90m. an increase of $7m from last season. the season after though offers some relief as KG, ray, JO, shaq, all come off the books unless we re-sign them and if we do it will be for less $$$$. kaman hopefully would take less than the $12m he makes now to stay on a winning team. maybe $9-10 range?
Be respectful and keep it clean. Thanks.
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i'd love to have OJ Mayo
He’s a pretty good defender and a big sparkplug on the bench. If we could get Kaman that’d be HUGE
I will give you props
those are very well thought out scenerios…..and to be honest i do like them, getting mayp would be nice and kaman too, next years team would be a legit contendor. The one problem is that I’m not sure Ainge is as creative as you are and a bigger problem is that what I have metioned in recent post is…………..we have no idea what the cba will bring or take away
good points
but the league has said that there will be a 3-4 year window for teams to get down to the new cap number if they do go with the hard cap. the biggest issue would be that we likely wouldnt have the MLE and LLE which in the end means either these players go to bad teams with cap space or sign for vet minimum.
the league has also said that if the hard cap happens there will be an amnesty rule that will allow teams to shed 1 or maybe even two salaries, they would still pay them but without having them count against the cap.
guess we would need to wait and see.
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by remembering9ergods on May 30, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Kaman
Kaman would be great but not Mayo better if we go after Marcus Thornton or Nick Young….. those two can pop from outside …..
mayo shoots 38% from downtown and plays solid defense.
not a fan of nick young, average to below average defender and he’s a restricted FA.
i like thornton and he’s surely an option if danny wants to look that way and sactown doesnt keep him. my only problem is his defense and doesnt really look to dish the ball.
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by remembering9ergods on May 30, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Both Young and Thornton shoot 44%
I would still go for either ……
I'm genuinely intrigued by Thornton
but with Green at the SF position, I doubt the FO would look for him.
Kaman
Kaman awhole lot better than what Celtics have right now and still draft Jordan Williams and Greg Smith …..
greg smith might still be available for the celtics to draft with their 2nd or could trade up to get him
williams would be gone IMO, especially in this case with us trading the 1st rounder
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by remembering9ergods on May 31, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
ill be working on the blow it up option next. that could get wild
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by remembering9ergods on May 31, 2011 7:24 PM EDT reply actions
i like mayo but memphis will try & ask for much (funny coming from the team who gave up kwame for pau) i see jamal crawford being more realstic we can offer jo & shaq’s contract straight up in a sign & trade throw in a pick for good faith
they had agreed to a trade that would have given then brandon rush, 3 way deal i believe
before one of the teams backed out. cant want to much for him
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by remembering9ergods on Jun 1, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
the best im giving them is glen davis,kristic or west 1 MAYBE 2 out of the 3
if they dare ask for more ill be like “you gave the lakers 2 championships for a bum,if it wasnt for cap rules ill give you 2 beers & peanuts for oj mayo”
What about Chris Douglas- Roberts?
He could be got for a low dollar amount. I dont think his potential has been realized in my opinion. He ran with Rose in Memphis, and played better than Rose did quite often. I know his numbers arent great. But he is young, athletic, and like I said before affordable. I could really see this kid running with Rondo. He could be used at the 2 or 3, and like I said would come cheap. Could he be a steal for us in this years free agency?
These moves are not legal under CBA
Part 1, you cannot use cash to match salaries in a trade. So we couldn’t add a 9M exception and 3M cash to match Kaman’s 12M salary. Make it 9.8 and we can now bring in 125% (12+) and your deal works. But why would we send Detriot a pick if they are getting a player and all we get is the exception?
Part 2, same deal cash + trade exception won’t work. Not likely to work under a new CBA either as the cap restrictions are only getting tighter not looser. Don’t think we can get Mayo, too bad.
Part 5, Shaq, bummer he retired.
Part 6, resigning Delonte – we can only offer 10% above min. If you want him back we’d likely have to use Bi-annual or part of MLE since he will is worth more than a vet min deal.
I like the ideas, fun read.

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