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One Man's Plan For The Celtics' Offseason

This all may change next week or 5 minutes from now (when someone points out a critical flaw to my thought process) but as of now, here's my humble plan on how to approach the offseason.

My goals:

  • Make the team younger and more athletic
  • Maintain cap flexibility
  • Try to give the Big 3 one more shot at a title

Step 1 - Go Big In The Draft

Enough of the combo guard best-player-available shenanigans.  Bet big on a big.  My draft crush at the moment is Jeremy Tyler but Nikola Vucevic (if he fell to us) would be fine too.  Then, buy an early 2nd round pick and grab JaJuan Johnson for even more size.  If we still have our own 2nd rounder, then you can take the old best foreign player available and hope he develops overseas for a year or two.

Star-divide

Step 2 - Bring Back Some of the Bench

Nobody is less excited about running back our bench than I, but our options are not terribly great right now.  Obviously we have to offer Jeff Green the one year tender.  If he gets a better offer somewhere else, we can chose to match or sign and trade him or just let him go.  If he can't get a better offer, we could get a one year rental look at him to see if he can improve upon last year's dud.

Delonte West needs to be back and hopefully we can keep him healthy this time.  For that matter we can try bringing Marquis Daniels back as well.  He's not someone you can count on as your backup wing, but as a 3rd stringer, I don't see any risk.  And speaking of 3rd stringers, we can invite Von Wafer back to camp too.  All these guys could be available on short term (probably even one year) deals for near the minimum.

Step 3 - Get Some Big Vets

Getting back to the bigs, we can't let KG and Jermaine tear out their hair (ok, bad analogy) trying to teach the new kids the ropes, so we'll need someone over 6'8" who has more than a few years of experience.  Here's a name that may not wow you, but might be just what we need: Jason Collins.  Here's what Peachtree Hoops said about him earlier this month.

When Atlanta signed Jason Collins to a contract for the 2010-2011 season I wrote that the move felt like a "rounding out the roster move" and that I would have "preferred someone with a little more upside". Little did I know that it would be Collins who probably had as much to do with the Hawks reaching the second round of the playoffs again and helping erase the bad dream of a playoff beat down suffered at the hands of the Orlando Magic just one season ago. 

Not sure what his price tag is, but he might be worth a short term investment as a really-poor-man's Perkins.  Other options would include Joel Przybilla, Kwame Brown (I guess), and for karma purposes our old friend Leon Powe.  I'm not sure what the going rate on Reggie Evans will be, but if he's cheap enough, he's just the kind of guy I'd like chasing down rebounds for us.  Notice how Big Baby is not on my list.  He's probably better than most of these guys but he's also going to be more expensive and I don't want to commit to him for more than a year.  A sign and trade would be ideal, but that will depend on the market (update: don't hold your breath)

Step 4 - Round Out The Roster With D-League Talent

I think Chris Johnson is headed back to Sactown but I'd like to see Stephane Lasme, DeShawn Sims, Tiny Gallon, Tony Gaffney, and others get a camp invite.

This gives us a starting lineup of Rondo, Ray, Pierce, KG, and Jermaine and a rotation that includes Bradley, West, Green, Collins, and one other veteran big man.  The rest of the roster is projects and guys that could eventually break into the rotation or provide spot minutes in the event of the inevitable run of injuries.

This plan may seem underwhelming to many.  There's no blockbuster trade.  There's no major free agent signing.  I'm not even sure it is worth using the MLE if it even exists - except to break it up into two 1 year deals - perhaps with team options for a 2nd year.  Still, this plan accomplishes the goals I set forth above.  The team gets younger and more athletic, we maintain cap flexibility to 2012 and beyond, and the Big 3 get one more (long) shot at a title.  Because the way I see it, if the Celtics can all get and stay healthy for the 2nd half of the year, they can beat anyone - just like the Mavs did this year.

That's my plan and I'm sticking to it, ...for now.

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so who you going after with the MLE, LLE, Jeff? (assuming we still have them)

collins, not a fan. he’s a pretty good defender but thats it, seriously. he averages 2 rebounds in 12 minutes and shoots a career 41%. if he’s a 3rd center fine but not 1 or 2. id rather have jeff foster over him

another question, do you see the team making any trades? maybe even a sign and trade with BBD? i think that would be the teams best way of improving the team, even if we only got a TPE in return.

D-leaguers, i expect simms to make the team and if no currnet NBA option is found i believe lasme may make the team as well.

the draft: alot of teams are looking to get rid of their picks in this draft, id be inclined to buy not only a high 2nd round pick but an extra 1st rounder too. i really like marshon brooks and think his scoring and insanely long arms with green off the bench could be a difference maker. i also like you idea of taking a big or two and stashing away a euro guy like danny did with erden. my fingers are crossed for a great celtic offseason and season (hopefully we have one)

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by remembering9ergods on Jun 15, 2011 6:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Im interested in Foster

I honestly think he could be a great role player if we obtained him, i also think if we were to get Oden, a rotation of JO, Oden, Foster playing 18-16-14 minute rotation for these guys would be great. Also im interested in Aaron gray, clumsy big white guy, heavy as hell and can play some iight post d and rebound hard, occassional offense outbreaks, but would make a great 3rd or 4th guy and could play well if there were injuries

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by AiTheLAviTiCuS#21 on Jun 15, 2011 5:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

There are two D-League bigs I would like to see invited to try out

Some Celtics fans may be familiar with the troubled Sean Williams, formerly of BC, an athletic shot-blocker and former first-round pick who was the runner-up to Chris Johnson in D-League Defensive POY voting. It’s a gamble that Williams has matured enough to be of use.

The other D-League center worth looking at is Courtney Sims. With the Rockets snapping up Marcus Cousin towards the end of the season, Sims should be the most NBA-ready center in the D-League. Damning with faint praise, perhaps, but true. As he gets older, teams may just start assuming that he would have stuck with some team by now if he were capable of making it in the NBA.

I’m skeptical of Tiny Gallon. I suspect he was an unnamed player who Austin Ainge accused of lacking heart and Maine eventually traded him away from a future draft pick.

by LooseCannon on Jun 15, 2011 6:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes: on drafting bigs, Green, West, Wafer and the D-Leaguers. Meh: on Collins.

Maybe: on bringing back Powe. Definitely yes: if Powe could consistently play like he did in his last showing against the Celtics.

by no kidding on Jun 15, 2011 6:58 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm thinking they've seen enough of Gaffney and Gallon.

Lasme and Sims might merit a second look.

Also, I understand the thinking with Jason Collins, but I’ve had enough of 34yo+ centers.

And I love the Tyler pick.

by clover on Jun 15, 2011 7:53 AM EDT reply actions  

underwhelming

you’re right, Jeff. not a very exciting offseason prediction but I think you’ll be closer than anyone else in guessing what Danny does this offseason.

Like you, I don’t see a lot of options out there for Danny to restock the team. I think we’ll see a rehashing of last year’s bench with few changes. The only rotation player I don’t think we’ll see return (for reasons other than retirement) is BBD.

by slamtheking on Jun 15, 2011 8:44 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

I definitely see next year as the same as this year.

by vgarcia890 on Jun 15, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

I think you are pretty close which is going to disappoint most fans. However, I think there are some other young players available as UFAs who might help: Earl Clark, Al Thorton, and Shawne Williams. As for older guys who might help: Jamario Moon, Michael Redd and Jeff Foster who was mentioned above. Not sure what shape Redd is in, but he might be a great piece for the bench.

Jeff in your post, you really didn’t mention using either the MLE or Bi-Annual. I’m not opposed to using them but would like to see used on either 1 year deals with a Team Option for 2012 or if multi year contracts for low money (3Yrs 6/7M). I don’t want to commit a lot of cap space this year at the expense of 2012.

by badax33 on Jun 15, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lasme

Has he gone back to playing?
The last thing I heard about him was that he was going to undergo surgery, in the beginning of last season.

by braz on Jun 15, 2011 8:59 AM EDT reply actions  

I doubt

that was a topic of conversation with Perk.

OKC probably made note of his play before the injury.

As for the C’s, if you were Lasme, would you rather play for the young up-and-coming team that got to the conference finals and might give you a multi-year deal if you make the team
OR
would you rather play for the old team that won’t give you more than a 1-year deal no matter how well you do in camp and most likely ride the pine because the coach prefers to play vets over rookies (and thereby kill your chances at earning a contract for the next year).

by slamtheking on Jun 15, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just remember that Stephane Lasme is not a rookie, so part of your argument is at least flawed. He was drafted in 2007 by the Warriors and have also played for the Heat (in their miserable 2008/2009 season I think). Also, he’s 28 and has played both D-League and in Europe.

My most standards I’d count Lasme a vet and not a rookie. And, on a team with young blood, wouldn’t that team prefer to play the younger, up-and-coming players, over someone who’s been injury prone and bounced around?

by Shots on Jun 15, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

28 isn't old

but it doesn’t make him a vet when he hasn’t been logging much time in the NBA. In my book, OKC has a coach that is more likely to give playing time to someone that doesn’t have loads of experience, unlike Doc. Also, based on Danny’s recent comments about the type of players he wants to add to the roster, Lasme doesn’t fit in terms of that desired experience.

by slamtheking on Jun 15, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree with you, overall, except ....

remember, Danny’s job (especially this time of year) is to lie.

He could just as well have said that to mislead folks about what he plans to do this off-season.

Or not. Who knows?

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by mmmmm on Jun 15, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tyler doent look good to me.

The video’s show someone who isn’t ready fpor the level of competition he is currently in, nevermind the NBA. We need to get athletic across the noard – just not up front.

by TBreezy on Jun 15, 2011 9:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Agree with Jeff

I agree with Jeff on Tyler. However, don’t expect a lot this year. There really aren’t any Big Men ready for prime time. But Tyler could be a superstar if he can be mentored and is willing to learn the right way to play the game. Getting a Superstar at 25 is definitely worth the gamble.

by badax33 on Jun 15, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

"We need to get athletic across the board(sp) - not just up front."

PG – Rondo
SG – Bradley
SF – Green

I’ll take the ‘athleticism’ of those 3 guys against almost any perimeter three-some in the league. When healthy, Delonte’ and Wafer (if we keep those guys) are also very athletic.

We have lots of athleticism stocked up for the 1-2-3 spots for the future.

We don’t have the same for the 4 & 5.

On Tyler – the scouting reports indicate that he’s matured his game a ton over the last year – so beware of old vids. The kid is still very, very young & raw. If we draft him, it is because of his intriguing potential. He’s not going to be ‘NBA ready’ right away.

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by mmmmm on Jun 15, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree on Almost everything

However, we can get better than Collins for the MLE if he is still there. For that matter Collins didn’t do that much during the regular season, he helped them a lot against the Magic because he unwaveringly hacked Dwight every time he got the ball.

by Evantime34 on Jun 15, 2011 9:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Why not use MLE

Instead of Collins why not try to get Marc Gasol or Caron Butler with the MLE or sign and trade with Big Baby and 1st round pick

by 1234 on Jun 15, 2011 9:53 AM EDT reply actions  

neither of those are remotely realistic

you aren’t getting gasol or caron for the MLE, and you’re definitely not getting them for baby and a pick (or two) in a S&T.

by guy incognito on Jun 15, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not getting Gasol for the MLE guaranteed. Also, can’t trade BBD until after June 30 and it would be under the new CBA.

by badax33 on Jun 15, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn, I think my favorite withdrew from the draft

   My favorite in the draft was Lucas Nogueria, a Brazilian 18 year old who has apparently withdrawn from the draft, tho you can still see his ‘evaluation’ on Draft Express in the sidecolumn listed as ‘international players withdrawn’. He is considered a project, not quite ready yet, but his skill set appears to be that of a Bill Russell type. 7 feet, extreme wing span, great shot blocker and rebounder now. Just too skinny to surive in the NBA this year. But, I think in two years, he would be a ‘home run’ selection, as opposed to the other big men still in the draft, who while serviceable would have to be considered ‘singles hitters’.

by Dipper on Jun 15, 2011 10:12 AM EDT reply actions  

argh - say it isn't so!

I like this kid too. Great size and physical potential.

Maybe next year?

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by mmmmm on Jun 15, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mostly agree

Main difference: the goal of giving the Big Three one last shot at a title. IMHO, that happened last year. Now I’d have them all on the trading block, for value.

I almost posted, yesterday: “I never thought I’d say this, but maybe we should add a Collins Brother.” I’ve been dissing them mercilessly for a decade.

Is Marshon Brooks really going to be better than Von Wafer?

Noguiera is the next Martinas Andrieuskevicius.

From the D-League, I’d give Magnum Rolle a look.

"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark

by Eeyore III on Jun 15, 2011 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Mostly Agree

I think bring in Jason Collins is a good idea if we can get him. As for Magnum Rolle, I agree, but isn’t he still under contract to Indy? I thought they kept him and sent him to play in the NBDL or did they actually release him? I find that hard to believe though, I remember Bird bing very high on him in preseason.

However, I don’t buy that they can’t win this year. Injuries killed us last year and whether you subscribe to the Perk trade being the killer or Shaq not coming back or Rondo being hurt. I’m not making excused, injuries are part of the game, you have to live with them and others have to step up.

One suggestion I have is to maybe use the MLE on 2 solid Vet – like Michael Redd or Jeff Foster or simlar but only on 1 year deals, maybe with a team option to remain flexible for next summer..

by badax33 on Jun 16, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sit tight until 2012

Very simple:

Only do one year deals. Expect to win 45-50 games with this aging roster.

Pierce and Rondo will be the only players left on the books after 11-12 season. Use the money to make a play for Howard/Paul and use Rondo as trade bait to acquire another all-star. If KG has anything left, get him back for one year as a 15-20 min. backup.

Obviously that’s best case.

by ChiefDK on Jun 15, 2011 11:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Good try Jeff

admitingly, you are closer to the Goal as anyone. However I do not feel the big three with rondo and oneal can pull in Banner # 18 especially with the bench personnel you envision. Regretfully, i think trading for value ( especially good Picks is best chance to get back to championship basketball. we would only be starting a year earlier than we presently proect to start . Delivering Banner # 18 is too much a to ask of the big three ad the cast of characters we can put with them. I am not sure they can be a playoff team and we should not want to put them through it.

by Freeease on Jun 15, 2011 12:14 PM EDT reply actions  

I think a lot depends on what Danny does in this draft.

Whether Danny trades up, down or out or just uses the pick – this will be the first move to structure the 8 open roster slots. The only move I think possibly might happen prior to that would be an S&T of BBD as some team may want to secure him prior to the draft.

If Danny just uses both picks, that’s 2 players. If he makes an S&T move involving picks that number could go up or down. So somewhere between 1 and 3 of those 8 open slots will be accounted for and we don’t have any idea which positions those will be and whether they will be projects (freshman) or close to ready (seniors, euros) or whatever.

I think that depending on the outcome of the draft, that will determine which of our current FAs (Murphy, Wafer, Delonte’, Arroyo, Pavs) Danny will take a shot at bringing back to round out the roster. I.E. if we came out of the draft with a BPA pick on a 6’ 6" defensive swingman, then obviously Pavs is gone and possibly Wafer. And Murphy’s chance of being retained goes up. But if we magically came out of the draft with two 6’ 10" big men, then Murphy is not going to get a call from Danny.

And obviously from that point on, Danny will use the MLE/LLE & vet min tools to fill out the rest.

I’m not keen on Collins.

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by mmmmm on Jun 15, 2011 12:35 PM EDT reply actions  

I’ve suggested this before but been told tht BBD can’t be traded until after Jun 30, which would be under the new CBA.

by badax33 on Jun 15, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, that's true. Good point to realize.

So the draft is going to probably be the starting point that kicks off which direction Danny goes.

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by mmmmm on Jun 16, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Go Big and take a chance ...but!!!

If you draft a big then for Godsake play him!!

I don’t think Jermaine can make it through the first half of the year without an injury or major setback let alone the entire season Just like KG, he will have to be used sparingly.

I only want Green on a one year rental as you say but that guy better show something dynamic early on or just forget it

West for sure. Yes to Von Wafer getting a shot. I think you have to go young and take some chances….rest the starters!!!!!! we don’t need a one or two seed….just get a rested healthy core group into the playoffs with some young legs that have had a chance to play during the dang season!!

Thanks for the article

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by Master Po on Jun 15, 2011 12:52 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

wrt JG: I hope DA doesn’t throw good money after bad with JG. A one year contract would be great

Give Von Wafer more playing time, I think he’s getting it. I think West will probably only be able to give us half a season. He’s too prone to injuries.

JO will probably only give us 1/4 of a season. We’d need to spend our biggest monies on a reliable athletic center via FA. A rookie big can eat up 5 minutes here and there.

by vgarcia890 on Jun 15, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

".just get a rested healthy core group into the playoffs"

Here, here!

Even if I disagree with you on some things (I still like Green a lot) – THIS^ (health) we can all agree is the most critical thing!

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by mmmmm on Jun 15, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes on this.

Draft big. Jermaine will not stay healthy and having a big at out disposal would be great.

Sign Jeff Green for one year would be brilliant, i don’t think he’ll be good with that though.

Retain Delonte and Von. Delonte is solid, and Von as a 3rd stringer is pretty good as he can create his own shot and make baskets (he just needs his confidence back.)

Yes on Jason Collins. An underrated defender.

D-Leaguers? How about giving DeShawn Simms a roster spot?

by Yoki R on Jun 15, 2011 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Jeremy tyler wont be slipping to us

I’d love to see us pick up Tyler, but even without playing at all in 18 months, someone would take him before us. After a better showing in Japan, and a combine where he measured out longer than expected, I dont see any reason why he would still be available when we’re on the clock.

by dtrader on Jun 15, 2011 1:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Yup, Need Bigs

Man they are hard to find. I so thought Danny had a good one with O’Bryant being taught by KG. But a big stiff is a big stiff. And I always thought the Collins twins were lucky to pull down NBA careers with so little talent, despite good NBA bodies.
What we need as much as a good big body is a big body that can play 82 games. That is why I would overpay for Big Baby to keep him. He plays hard and shows up the next night. Maybe that’s where Collins comes in. Greg Oden? No thanks. I did not think Gallon showed much in the D league games I saw. Chris Johnson showed potential in those few games with Cs and Sacty has a lot of bigs so he might be available.
With Rondo, Ray, Pierce, Green, D West, Bradley and Wafer we are covered at the 1,2,3. I thought I saw a good bench piece in Pavlovic but nobody else on this blog seems to care for him so maybe I missed something. If we have KG, JO and Baby then we need 2 bigs on bench for sure and at least one more

by Wildblu1 on Jun 15, 2011 1:39 PM EDT reply actions  

what about Justin Harper?

he may be redundant with Jeff on the roster but he will def be better than Glen Davis real soon, and already has a way better jumper, hes much more aggressive then Jeff Green is a better fit at PF, may need to learn some better D but on offense he’s NBA ready, just needs to bulk up, heck look what Rondo has done to his body in just the past 2 years. I think if this kid gets the chance he could become something special, I see him as an underrated Kevin Durant “B” version kinda player lol

by Seph on Jun 15, 2011 2:10 PM EDT reply actions  

I like Harper a lot, too.

I don’t see him as redundant with Green. Harper is much more of a ‘true’ PF, while Green is so much better as an SF.

‘Love Harper’s vertical game and nice looking jumper motion. I agree he could use a few lbs of muscle and some intense training in how to play high-paint defense, KG-style. He’s got nice long arms (7 ft wingspan) that could be put to great use disrupting passing lanes. Mostly, though, he’s already very polished on the offensive end. He’d be a great offensive weapon for Rondo, especially with Green working on the opposite side. Both he and Green can hit the three as well as score inside.

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by mmmmm on Jun 15, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice realistic look at things to come Jeff.

There is already $64,377,513 tied up for next season, and I dont think that includes Green’s $5,908,641 qualifying offer. When the new CBA is set we will be over the cap with the guys that are already on the roster for next season, and will be lucky to bring in good talent. The money just will not be there this offseason to bring in the kind of help the team needs.
The summer of 2012 dosent look good either. There is $29,421,145 already on the books for 2012-2013, and thats just 3 players Pierce, Rondo, and Bradley. If we get lucky the new CBA will be a 55 million hard cap, how much will we be able to offer a great free agent then? If we could bring in Howard for around 18 million a season that would be over 47 million tied up in just four guys. Now imagine the 45 million hard cap that has been put on the table. If it sticks we are already out of the running for any top free agents that would be available in the summer of 2012.

by CoachBullins on Jun 15, 2011 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't see any way they get that hard cap in place.

If a hard cap comes in, it will be at a higher number and also require some very complex grandfather clauses in order to account for existing contracts.

I agree that it is simply not likley that we bring Howard here as a FA under the cap. I expect we will sign Green to a multi-year, probably for around 7M per or so. That means we’ll have 36M locked up on Rondo, Pierce, Green & Bradley. That leaves only 19M under the cap (assuming a 55M cap). So if you signed Howard as an FA, that would pretty much use all of that up. You’d have to rescind bird rights on Ray and KG and all the rest of our FAs in order to actually get that room, btw, so you can’t use bird rights to retain any of them – you’d only be able to retain either of them with vet-min contracts.

I think the only way we get Howard is if we trade expirings and stay over the cap. The way this would work is if we trade one or more expiring contract(s) to a third party team for assets that we then repackage and trade to Orlando for Dwight. The repackaging would likely involve moving something that we have (not sure what, exactly) to sweeten it over Orlando dealing directly for the particular assets. The net net is that we take on an Howard’s contract this way (which would be extended) and never drop below the cap. We’d still be able to retain our own FAs through bird & non-bird rights and sign new ones to min contracts per today. If KGs contract was the one we dealt to make this happen – then the following year could see a lineup that includes Howard, Pierce, Green, Ray & Rondo in your top rotation. That’s pretty solid. The rest of the lineup is unclear and depends on who our picks are this year & next and who gets dealt to make the transactions work but should be decent. Since we would not have to rescind bird rights it would give Danny more options in retaining whatever FAs we end the year with. Under current rules, he’d even be able to bring back KG (if he still has another year in the tank) as an FA using the MLE …

However it is done, the main point is that the best way we can afford to pay Howard AND field a full team around him is if we stay over the cap. Wic already has said he’s willing to pay to stay competitive. That makes this plan at least possible. Though not necessarily all that likely. It would require some very creative wheeling and dealing by Danny to move the right parts around. And I think they only would move KG’s expiring contract if it looks like we will not make the playoffs.

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by mmmmm on Jun 15, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hard Cap Phase In

I doubt a hard cap would be imposed next year. If there is one, it is likely to be phased in over 2 or 3 years.

The owners want salary rollbacks and that is not going to be something the players will be able to stomach. I figure instead they’ll get a hard cap, phased in, a one or two time “salary amnesty”, and contracts that are shorter, lower and not fully guaranteed. There might end up being a franchise player type thing, too, similar to want the NFL has.

I have my fingers crossed that Danny is expecting this, is guessing right, and will have the C’s in position to take advantage any and all changes over the next few years.

by erisred on Jun 15, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow - you figure that the players would cave on all those things?

A hard cap. Lower salaries. Shorter contracts. No guaranteed contracts. And a franchise tag (that the NFLPA hates).

The owners would love to get any one of those things. I see no way that the players cave on all those.

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by mmmmm on Jun 16, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Long Lockout + High Life + Immaturity = No Money = Players Cave

That’s what I think is coming.

NBA players make a lot more than most people, but they also spend a lot more and I doubt they have (percentage wise) much more in savings than the average Joe.

How many missed paychecks do you think the average Joe could take before being in real trouble?

Maybe I’m wrong and the players have been saving their money and will manage their lack of a paycheck well…but I doubt it.

by erisred on Jun 16, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree but

That’s the way the cap is now. But one of the demands by the owners is a roll back of salaries. I believe it’s 1/4 to 1/3 which reduces our cap number. Also, the max contract would go way down (at 25 % that would make the max) about $11M with a $45M cap. Not saying that’s gonna happen, but that’s what has been proposed. So that would mean that 29M would go down to around $22M, plus Howard at 11 puts us at $33. Not saying that is going to happen but that’s what the owners are proposing. I think, that any proposal will have a year or 2 phase in period and I do think the cap will be higher, but I do believe there will be some type of rollback in salaries will take place.

by badax33 on Jun 16, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trade Green and somebody elase for Kaman. Then draft Harper.

by celty86 on Jun 15, 2011 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd be very happy if ainge followed this article directly

Draft a big, get delonte (if we can afford him), match green, sign some extra veteran minimums and hope guys like bradley and green step up while the team has some good luck with health for a change.

by kg2128 on Jun 15, 2011 3:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Plus One

Yeah, Tyler and Johnson to train up. Collins or his like to play behind JO. Hope West stays healthy, Wafer continues to “get it”, Bradley really steps up, and Green is as good as his biggest fans think he is.

Oh, and pray for no injuries!

by erisred on Jun 15, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tyler has too much baggage

I am OK with Trey Thompkins or Reggie Jackson. Drafting this late I tend to look at a players Free Throw shooting. To me that is an indication of hard work and discipline.

Both players are decent at the line.

by Staubach on Jun 15, 2011 7:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Tyler is a wee bairn at just 20 years old.

How can he have ‘too much baggage’ yet?

His only ‘problem’ has been immaturity. Should that be surprising?

I’m not claiming he’s ‘mature’ now, or that he’s the solution to all the C’s problems. But I don’t get the ‘too much baggage’ argument against him.

NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.

by mmmmm on Jun 16, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tyler’s coach in Japan was Doc’s old coach. I’m sure Doc has called and gotten the low down on this guy. He has the athletic ability, there’s nothing but a work ethic keeping him from developing his body and his skills. I’m sure Danny will look very closely at Tyler.

IMO, Tyler has a lot of potential, but Johnson and Harper are a lot more NBA ready. I’d really like Danny to get Tyler and Johnson/Harper, but he’d have to buy another pick (late 1st, early 2nd).

by erisred on Jun 16, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

that would be quite a haul of young bigs.

Harper probably the most ready on offense.

Tyler the most intriguing physical specimen.

Johnson somewhere between the two.

NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.

by mmmmm on Jun 16, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

If Tyler is there I would jump. Course I don’t have all the facts that Danny has, but his talent is off the charts. I’m not sure he will be there when we pick. However, I will be disappointed if he’s there and we pass. Even if he’s a bust. So what, it’s a small salary, small risk, but huge upside/reward.

by badax33 on Jun 16, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

just something heard on the radio today

Wade/Bosh or Lebron/Bosh traded to Orlando for Howard.

think about that!

by spinetingler on Jun 15, 2011 8:15 PM EDT reply actions  

never happen

money doesn’t work and I have no doubt it’s just pure amateur speculation.

Personally, I’d be happy about it because I think it makes Miami weaker and Orlando would still be a non-factor.

by slamtheking on Jun 16, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't believe it

My guess that’s some writers suggested this scenario and someone ran with it. Both can’t be traded straight up would have to include others players.

I believe Mark Jackson and Van Gundy suggested something like that during the final.

by badax33 on Jun 16, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

just a query

can we trade pierce for lebron

by Rye Ban on Jun 15, 2011 8:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

If the "man that guy bugs me" test holds true

then I think Joel Przybilla would be someone I’d like if on our side. Seems to have grit and energy. Would he fit?

"I don’t think in the past. I don’t think in the future. You grasp the moment." -KG

by SotaPop on Jun 16, 2011 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Danny, please do not re-sign Marquis Daniels

I have a feeling they are going to sign him. Even when healthy the guy is inconsistent. As for Baby I’d take him back but with a weight clause in his contract. He’s the only player I know who gains weight during hte season. Sign delonte too

by Red2 on Jun 16, 2011 4:25 PM EDT reply actions  

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