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Gary Dzen of the Globe makes a great comparison between the current Celtics roster and the San Antonio Spurs roster of lockout shortened 1998-99 season.

Consider the lockout ... -Celtics blog - Boston Globe basketball news

The Spurs had a roster whose top six players had an average age of 31 and had a rising superstar (Tim Duncan) who was just 22-years-old. They had a gregarious, defensive-minded coach in Popovich who was adored by his players.

As currently constituted, the Celtics have a roster with an average age of 31. Their point guard is 25-year-old and has risen to stardom in recent seasons (granted he's no Tim Duncan), and their gregarious, defensive-minded coach is adored by his players.

He goes on to emphasize that Rondo isn't expected to be Duncan (though I would argue that he's got as much talent as a 22 year old Duncan ...but I'm really, really biased).

Since we've got time, let's flush this out a little further.  Assuming that there is a shortened season because of the lockout, can the Celtics capitalize in the same way the Spurs did?

Star-divide

In the 98-99 season, the Spurs actually started out pretty slowly.  After the first month (where they played a jaw dropping 14 games) they were just 6-8.  They caught fire in March though, losing just 2 (of 16!) games.  They finished with 37 wins out of 50 and steamrolled through the playoffs losing just 2 games the whole time (once in the first round, once in the Finals).  Talk about getting on a roll.

Why did they enjoy such success?  Aside from just being the best team in the league, there were some things that helped a great deal that the Celtics can learn from. (stats via Basketball-Reference)

  • As a veteran team the players had already established offseason routines that allowed them to stay in shape for the season.
  • As a veteran team, they were able to focus on becoming an elite defensive team which feasted on the out-of-synch and out-of-breath teams across the NBA that were not nearly as well prepared.
  • Duncan was in his 2nd full season playing alongside David Robinson in the latter part of his career.
  • Despite the team's age, they were very injury-free all year.  (Duncan, Avery Johnson and Sean Elliot all played every game and Robinson missed just one game.  10 players played a minimum of 45 games.)
  • Pop used a deep rotation, with 11 guys averaging at least 12 minutes a game.  Young Duncan averaged over 39 mpg but nobody else was over 33.
  • It helps that their 2 best players were close to or over 7 feet tall.

So what can the Celtics take from this example?  Let us go back to the bullet points from above.

  • Nobody is worried about the Big 3.  Ray is a workout nut, Pierce has been entering camp in phenomenal shape every year, and the only worry with KG is hoping he doesn't over-do it.  In fact, the only guy I'd be concerned with is Big Baby and he's a free agent, so either he shapes up or he's someone else's problem.
  • Elite defensive team, check.  Core group back together for another run, check.
  • Rondo is a certifiable star when fully healthy.  He slumped a bit late in the season but I suspect a great deal of that was due to various injuries that he didn't tell anyone about.  He's still setting the table for the Big 3 but the team goes as far as he'll take them.
  • Health, ...there's the rub.  Put the term "If fully healthy" in front of just about any goal, including the championship and there's no question in my mind that they can achieve it.  The Big 3 were actually very injury free last year, but they didn't have much of a consistent supporting cast.  Once again, that's Danny's challenge in the offseason.
  • My first instinct is to say "give them each a game off a week" - especially if they have to play 15 games a month.  You could rotate it with a different player each night or pick one night and punt the game to the reserves.  The bench might even pick up an occasional win against the T-Wolves of the league.  But I'm not a Hall of Fame coach and that wasn't what Pop did and it probably isn't what Doc would do.  Instead, you can bank on skipped practices and tightly managed minutes for the starters and a deep bench (even if he isn't fully confident in it).  This is where a jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none like Jeff Green might really come in handy.
  • We've still got Garnett (though he doesn't get into the paint as much as we'd like) and Jermaine O'Neal (though he's a shell of his former self) but beyond that, not so much.  Ainge will be looking, once again, at centers in the free agent market but obviously none will have the impact that Duncan and Robinson did.  We just have to hope that our 4 stars shine as bright as they ever have and get enough help down low from whoever is manning the paint.

There's a lot we don't know yet about this team and what kind of season (if any) we'l have next year but it is comforting knowing that there's a blueprint of success to follow if and when we get there.

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88-89 season?

Jeff I think you meant 1998-1999

by Kane3387 on Jul 11, 2011 10:47 PM EDT reply actions  

thanks

Faith and Sports - an essay by Jeff Clark

by Jeff Clark on Jul 12, 2011 5:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rondo not at Young Duncan's level

You really think Rondo had as much talent as 22-year old Tim Duncan who was in his second year? Leaving out measures of talent, Duncan was clearly a better player. He made All-NBA First team and put up 22/11 with 2.5 blocks. He was a top five player that season. Rondo, as good as he is, isn’t at that level. Unless Rondo improves his jumper significantly I don’t think he can ever be that indisputable no.1 guy. When the Celtics made the 2010 Finals, Rondo was probably considered by most to be their best overall player but it was close between him, Pierce and Garnett. They and Ray rotated from game to game or series to series. Garnett is still more important in my mind than anyone because his defense is the backbone of this team.

by Galeto on Jul 11, 2011 11:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Surprised

+1

I’m really surprised about your argument of Rondo being as talented as the 22 year old Duncan. It’s not even close.

by KevinConnor on Jul 12, 2011 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

correction

I meant Jeffs argument of course!

by KevinConnor on Jul 12, 2011 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

maybe you guys are right

I’m probably not remembering how good Duncan was and I’m a bit biased toward Rondo – remember that it took a long time for me to admit that Rose was better last year and the guy won the MVP ;)

Faith and Sports - an essay by Jeff Clark

by Jeff Clark on Jul 12, 2011 5:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

MVP what?

winning the MVP is nothing, especially if you got eliminated in the playoffs. Rose immaturity showed during the Heat series and inspite of being healthy, he couldn’t save their team.

by Aris Yalung on Jul 12, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here is the problem, a Talented Big is worth way more than a talented guard. That's specially true in today's game.

The lakers have the best frontline on the NBA, they can seriously win 2 more championships, their problem is poor PG play. But the biggest roadblock to the team is Kobe, he does not want to reduce his role so that Bynum or even Gasol get more touches. If they added a PG like ramon sessions they would be feared again, The lakers issue is all mental!!

by businessbmw on Jul 12, 2011 3:33 AM EDT reply actions  

It has always been true...

Basketball & Boxing are similar……a “good big man” beats a “good little man” every time!

by Title 18 on Jul 12, 2011 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Malone v Jordan?

I do generally agree though. More often than not, a good big is more important than a good small. KG certainly embodies that truth for the Celtics.

by Celticsbloke on Jul 12, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Karl Malone out-scored MJ by 4,636 career points!

I hear what you`re saying….but, you`re comparing one of the greatest forwards to the absolute, indisputable greatest guard ever.

I`d take MJ over any Guard or Forward ever to play….but, NOT over any of the three greatest Centers ever to play.

by Title 18 on Jul 12, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

MJ is an otherworldly player who simply won titles. But I’d still take the big first. Makes one think how lucky the Bulls were that year when they drafted MJ

by vgarcia890 on Jul 12, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

A shortened season could play to the advantage of a team like the Celtics.

But no one wants a shortened season. The window for the Celtics is practically closed and it’s closing quickly for the Lakers as well.

by tenkaistar on Jul 12, 2011 4:21 AM EDT reply actions  

The Spurs are doing it again

They have acquired bigs in the best way for a good team to acquire them: namely, by getting them in the pipeline years in advance, and waiting. This year they finally got Splitter, after waiting for several years; they quietly acquired the rights to Lorbek, who apparently is ready to come over; they drafted Bertans to stash overseas. The pipeline is full. Meanwhile, the Cs go from band-aid to band-aid, and have zilch in the pipeline.

They got the wing defender they needed in the draft (Leonard). Meanwhile, the Cs left that gap unfilled (unless you’re counting on second-round pick Moore ;-P).

They still have their big 3, who are every bit as well-preserved as the C’s big 3.

The story is not that the C’s are positioned like the old Spurs. The story is that the Spurs keep doing it the right way, while the C’s lurch from one desperate move to another.

The Cs window is closed. Can we trade Danny for RC Buford?

"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark

by Eeyore III on Jul 12, 2011 8:23 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

We still have a shot if there is a season

It would help a lot if it is a shortened season and we have to get a couple of good bigs to support KG, but its very possible. I think you are underestimating how far we could have gone last season had Rondo been healthy in the latter third of the season and had KG had more help in the paint.

I do agree that we need to do better bringing along a few more projects behind the scenes though. After Perk, Rondo and Tony Allen, no one we drafted has worked his way into the rotation in the last couple of years (Delonte doesn’t count since he was traded).

by Celticsbloke on Jul 12, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Semih!

Mark my words, Semih will be an NBA rotation big, when all is said and done. Early this year, Shaq/Semih worked great.

"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark

by Eeyore III on Jul 12, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

where's Semih

as much as I liked Semih, he is a weak defender and rebounder. on the offensive side, he’s pretty effective.

by Aris Yalung on Jul 12, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tim Duncan should have been the MVP that year. He was robbed.

Rondo has a long ways to go before he is on that level.

by Who on Jul 12, 2011 9:57 AM EDT reply actions  

The more apt comparison...

From that season is the Utah Jazz. Their severely aged big 3 (Malone, Hornacek, Stockton) played really well during the shortened regular season and finished tied for the leagues best record at 37-13. But the non stop back to backs zapped them when the playoffs rolled around. They barely survived the Sacramento Kings in round 1 and then got absolutely obliterated by the Blazers in round 2. I fear something similar would occur with these Celtics.

by EagleDave on Jul 12, 2011 10:03 AM EDT reply actions  

sadly

I think you’re closer to the mark.

The Spurs had a better supplement of role players. The Jazz had very little in the way of a supporting cast. I think this year’s C’s will be a lot closer to the Jazz than the Spurs of that time. I’d love to be proven wrong though.

by slamtheking on Jul 12, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey rondo may be one of the most talented athletes in the world

huge hops, incredible speed, incredible quickness, freakishly long hands and very long arms.Incredibly tough.

But if talent was everything, Gerald Green would have been a star.

by wahz on Jul 12, 2011 1:53 PM EDT reply actions  

not a good comparison

Our frontline is incomplete – another center must be added to the roster.
The Spurs had a complete frontline with Robinson and Duncan.

KG needs help. JO is not enough and could break down anytime.

Johnson may play overseas which would hurt our depth.

If Ainge is able to sign a decent center and the the season is only
50 games – then the comparison holds up.

by McCracker on Jul 12, 2011 2:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Most boring team in the league

Its all about money, its all about Banner 18

by 2012Celtic on Jul 12, 2011 4:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I sort of agree, but with a shortened season more games in less time I have to question whether we would actually be in the playoffs. Or even get a decent seed

by LiamB on Jul 12, 2011 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't know how this devolved into a Rondo vs Duncan debate

but I take that as a FAIL on my part

that’s the beauty of blogging, you learn as you go from constant feedback

Faith and Sports - an essay by Jeff Clark

by Jeff Clark on Jul 12, 2011 8:48 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

If the C's ...

go with the older core next season in lieu of rebuilding and going young ( to date we still do not know what route Ainge will take), if there is a shortened NBA season next year it will no doubt help the C’s since they will be a older club.

I think this comparison of the 1999 Spurs and potentially the 2012 Celtic team ( again if they go with the older core for another season) is a very valid and interesting comparison.

by fordescort on Jul 12, 2011 9:46 PM EDT reply actions  

The problem of a talented ‘big’ versus a talented ‘guard’ is a moot point: if they are both talented players, then who is to say one is better than the other?

Halloween World

by tommymckee on Jul 12, 2011 10:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Can we not "flush it out?"

How about “flesh it out?” Flushing is a whole other matter :^) and I like your articles.

Sorry Jeff, just wanted to note that common mistake.

by No Nickname on Jul 13, 2011 8:54 AM EDT reply actions  

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