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Rajon Rondo vs. Tony Parker - Who Ya Got?

Give me defense over scoring any day.

Zach Lowe's epic top 100 list of NBA players got kind of hung up in the mid 20's when he had to decide between Rajon Rondo or Tony Parker.  There's a lot more analysis between these two quotes, but here's the opening and closing argument for why he put Parker just ahead of our Red Bull sippin, Connect 4 playing, rollerskating point guard.

The Point Forward " Posts Top 100 NBA Players — Nos. 21-30

The Rondo/Tony Parker debate raged in my brain for a long, long time before I finally settled on Parker, by the slimmest of margins. But for the next three years? Rondo, in a walk. To win a title next season? That's a different conversation, and it's where Parker's all-around offensive game lifts him to a point where it's a coin flip.

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It’s very, very close, and Rondo’s highs are higher and more exhilarating than Parker’s. Rondo is perhaps the best point guard defender in the league, but point guards can only tilt the game with their defense on the right nights; they cannot have the every-game impact of Dwight Howard or Garnett. Right now, Parker’s stability wins.

I don't know, I'd still take Rondo for right now - but as usual, I have to caveat that with "but I'm biased."  Which I'm totally fine with by the way.

If memory serves, these two aren't awfully fond of each other anyway.  Rondo seems to scoff at being compared to Tony and Mr. Parker likes to drop the old "he's lucky to be playing with 3 HOF'ers" routine.

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Who's a better player right now (when healthy of course)?
Rajon Rondo
1232 votes
Tony Parker
259 votes

1491 votes | Poll has closed

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But in this debate I'd take Rondo

His 2-way contributions outweigh Parker’s somewhat better offensive game. (sorry for the shameless Lowry plug, I love that guy)

by Patrick Harrel on Aug 10, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I consider Rondo a tier above Parker

Looks like numbers wise Tony Parker can keep up with Rondo just because he’s a much better shooter, even if parker doesn’t get the assists or steals. I can’t believe melo is going to be in the top 20 (by process of elimination).

by kg2128 on Aug 11, 2011 12:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Almost forgot

KG and Paul Pierce are also top 20 by process of elimination!

by kg2128 on Aug 11, 2011 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

but I'mstill trying to wrap my head around Ray Allen's ranking.

In this latest batch, he’s now added Eric Gordon (along with Monta Ellis and Kevin Martin) as SGs that he has ranked higher than Ray Allen.

No. Freaking. Way.

NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.

by mmmmm on Aug 11, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

i don't get it

for the past few seasons rondo has been getting compared to the best PGs in the league (nash, paul, rose, etc), so has he gotten dropped from that conversation or has tony parker suddenly been bumped up? a few years ago when the spurs were championship contenders i think parker could be argued to be in the top 5, but not since rondo has come of age.

by JunkyardDawg on Aug 11, 2011 1:56 AM EDT reply actions  

I think Zach is being objective and the numbers don't favor Rondo as much as one would think

Since Parker is a very efficient scorer especially for a guard, it makes up for the gap in rebounds, steals, assists if you analyze using PER. Also defense doesn’t show up which Zach acknowledges.

by kg2128 on Aug 11, 2011 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

PER sucks.

Seriously, it is very, very limited tool that should be used only very, very carefully.

NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.

by mmmmm on Aug 11, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's a useful tool but definitely should not be the main criteria to judge a player

I think a lot of the rankings are somewhat based on PER (may even be heavily based on PER) which is why I disagree with a a lot of Zach’s list. He does admit it’s shortcomings though and it’s still fun to read the list.

by kg2128 on Aug 11, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

true

NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.

by mmmmm on Aug 11, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only place where he’s been getting compared to Nash, Paul, Rose, and Williams is CelticBlog. The average pundit still considers Rondo a tier below those four.

by kozlodoev on Aug 11, 2011 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Clearly this isn’t the case.

by BballTim on Aug 11, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll take Rondo

Rondo may not be as consistent as Parker but even on his off nights, he’s still very good. Parker on an off night, not so much.

by slamtheking on Aug 11, 2011 8:45 AM EDT reply actions  

I guess Celticsblog posters are biased as well..

Me included. I can’t really stand Parker (I mean, he’ French! Just kidding.. Or am I?.. :P). Rondo’s so much more cool and smooth, even if his stroke isn’t really.. It’s a cliche, but I’ll take defense over offense (especially when we have other gunners), and Rondo can get even better; I think he will.

by yodie on Aug 11, 2011 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

"To win a title next season? That's a different conversation, and it's where Parker's all-around offensive game lifts him to a point where it's a coin flip."

It’s not even about bias, it’s about the writer’s hypocritical reasoning for placing Parker above Rondo. 1st Round exit and all.

by truthhurts34 on Aug 11, 2011 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

It probably depends upon the team...

On the Celts, definitely Rondo.

Beside Kobe or another ball-dominant star, I’d prefer Parker.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Aug 11, 2011 11:42 AM EDT reply actions  

i prefer rondo

passing rondo
defense rondo
jump shot parker
free throws parker
heart &toughness rondo

by tommyfan on Aug 11, 2011 12:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't get why Lowe can dismiss Rondo's 41% fg% from long range (16-23 ft)

as being just above NBA average. It was most importantly above average for point guards.

And unmentioned is the fact that Parker shot only 36% from that range. (The shot a similar number of shots from that range: 223 for Rondo, 258 for Parker).

Rondo did not take as many shots from other ranges as Parker, but was just as effective at finishing when going to the hoop.

Neither took enough shots from 3PT range to be considered a threat there.

Parker is a better FT shooter, but he only averaged 3.0 made FTs per game – hardly a big factor over Rondo’s 1.1 per game.

When you add in the point value of assists, Rondo’s total offensive point-creation was notably better than Parker’s (roughly 35.5 vs 32.2). And Rondo’s number was depressed by a long sub-par offensive dry spell for the team in the spring (largely because Rondo was all banged up). During the healthy stretches of the year, Rondo’s point creation number was up around 40 most of the time.

So I don’t buy for a second that Parker has more offensive value than Rondo and Rondo is waaay better on defense.

NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.

by mmmmm on Aug 11, 2011 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Rondo's 41% field goal percentage will not tell you

that he was totally wide open while shooting as he is considered as a non-factor in the offensive end and his defenders often just dared him to shoot. I did not notice the same with Parker’s defenders.

by Sebal on Aug 12, 2011 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's purely your subjective recollection - it may or may not be true.

In truth – even if true, that is irrelevant because it changes nothing about whether points were scored on a possession do to action by the player.

Another way to look at it is that the net effect of Parker’s election to take a few of his shots while contested is that he missed at a higher rate – hurting his team.

You don’t penalize the evaluation of a player if he is smart enough to only take uncontested shots (unless he was still missing those at a higher than average rate – which is not the case here for Rondo). You should penalize a player for taking contested shots if he is missing at a higher than average rate – which is the case here for Parker.

NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.

by mmmmm on Aug 12, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think this past season

showed us much on Rondo & Tony Parker. I think we should compare their best seasons, then see who’s best. They both have different strengths and accomplishments (for example Parker has a Finals MVP but he wasn’t an All-Star this year)

by samantha28 on Aug 11, 2011 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Real close..

If I had to choose out of the 2 of them Id have to flip a coin …lol

by fordescort on Aug 11, 2011 7:00 PM EDT reply actions  

One 1/2 the floor it's Rondo and the other half it's Parker

Most people/fans value offense over defense. You can’t sag off Parker on the offensive end like you can Rondo. Parker is an offensive weapon. Yet teams don’t target Parker on defense either. Plus, Rondo has trouble covering quick guards off picks. So, I think the nod goes to Parker.

I don’t see Rondo ever developing a serviceable jumpshot unfortunately. He has a better chance of making a running teardrop from the same spot than a jumper. That doesn’t mean he’s not an amazing player. It’s just one knock on his game. He’s got everything else covered – easily. We should just accept his game how it is. I love watching him play, especially his heart. I hate watching Pierce play – because his desire is in stark contrast with Rondo.

by iLikeStuff on Aug 12, 2011 10:13 AM EDT reply actions  

On both halfs of the floor it's Rondo

  Rondo’s a better offensive player than Parker because he contributes more to an offense than Parker, plain and simple. Parker doesn’t have Rondo’s vision, passing ability or ability to run an offense.Not to mention, let’s face it, Parker’s a fairly poor outside shooter. Defense isn’t as close.

by BballTim on Aug 12, 2011 12:27 PM EDT reply actions  

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