Dwight Howard Or Bust?
Otis Smith has to be getting nervous. Every day that passes without any sort of movement in the labor talks ups the odds of a prolonged work stoppage. Every day he loses is another day that he didn't improve the team around Dwight Howard. Every day that passes puts him one step closer to the worst case scenario, ...losing the whole season, and then losing Howard.
Of course one man's torture is another man's coveted treasure. The Celtics will be one of several teams that will have the cap space to offer to Dwight whatever the maximum you can pay a free agent. In addition to truckloads of cash, they'll also have a pure point guard star in Rajon Rondo and a Championship coach that everyone loves in Doc Rivers. Danny Ainge has already done what Otis Smith has failed to do, assemble a championship team. With Dwight and Rajon in the fold there's every reason to believe he could do it again.
With all that said, the odds of Howard ending up in Boston would still have to be considered long at best.
For one thing, the Magic still have to be considered the leaders in this race. For one thing, they will be given every financial advantage possible. The just-expired CBA already allowed teams to retain their free agents with one more year than any other team. This next CBA promises to increase the home team advantage one way or another. Be it through a modified "franchise tag" or "super Bird rights" or perhaps by eliminating the sign-and-trade option. The league is not happy with the perception that players are pulling the strings and they'll do whatever they can to wrestle that control back from them.
For another thing, despite the contracts of Gilber Arenas and Hedo Turkoglu, the Magic will still have Jameer Nelson, Stan Van Gundy, and an entire system built around Howard's talents (and masking his weaknesses). There's familiarity there and that counts for something.
Finally, and this is purely speculation, there's the issue of Howard's personality. Reading a recent article in ESPN the Mag about Howard I was struck by how much he craves attention and adoration. He's obsessed with it. Like any class clown, his every move is focused on bringing as many eyeballs and praises his way. (Hey, I'm a blogger, I have to admit I've got the same bug, though not to his level.) So do you think he can handle the kind of hatred that LeBron James got post-Decision? Frankly I'm not sure he can handle a whole season of answering questions about it with it hanging over his head like Carmelo Anthony had to last year.
Right now, if I had to guess, I'd say that once the new CBA gets put into place, Howard and the Magic will probably find some way to make everyone happy. Perhaps they'll give Howard an out clause after a couple of years. Maybe he'll re-allocate money in his deal to give the Magic more cap flexibility. One way or another, the Magic have "first dibs" and a big head start on keeping Howard in Orlando.
Furthermore, if they can't figure something out and they have the option to trade him, you can bet that the Lakers (dangling Andrew Bynum) would have the inside track.
Still, with all that said, if Howard does make it to free agency and decides to leave Disney behind, the Celtics have as good a shot as anyone. So that has to at least be one of the top choices on Danny Ainge's war room charts.
All of which begs the question... what if we don't get Howard? What's plan B? Or rather, what are plans B through Z? Because anything could happen a year from now, regardless of if there is going to be a season or not.
I could end this article right here by saying something along the lines of "we'll just have to wait and see how this all plays out." But hey, we've got time, lets discuss the endless options.
One option is to throw money at other free agents. The danger here is overpaying just because you have the money. Ask Joe Dumars how that worked out with Ben Gordon and Charlie V. The only other potential free agents that are in Howard's class of player are Deron Williams and Chris Paul and they both happen to play Rondo's position. So unless we're trading Rondo, that's not going to happen.
Of course trading Rondo is another (though less desirable) option. He would be our last and perhaps only trading chip left and if he's not in the mood for a full rebuilding effort, then it might be worth it to get what you can for him. Keep in mind, after his rookie season Rondo has known nothing but winning and competing for titles. Would he be happy going back in the pack, even if it meant finally being recognized as the main man?
Still, I have to assume that Rondo will want to keep playing for Doc and he'll trust Danny to put the right pieces around him. What are the right pieces? Well, they look a lot like the pieces we currently have, but younger. A sharpshooter, a shot creating small forward, a defensive minded big man or two. Maybe we can get Eric Gordon out of LA. Maybe we could take Rudy Gay off of Memphis' hands. Andrew Bogut? Roy Hibbert?
If none of these names inspire goosebumps and you are realistic enough to discount the chances of getting Durant or Blake Griffin, then we might be looking at the draft (and thus a long rebuild plan).
So what are your thoughts? Dwight Howard or bust? What's your Plan B?
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LaMarcus Aldridge
LMA might even be a longer shot than Dwight but hear me out. If we can pair him with Rondo, it’s alley oops all DAY! He’ll sell a bunch of tickets, IMO he’s the best well rounded PF in the leauge. He can shoot the 18ft jumper, defend, finish, post moves (SOMEWHAT). This guy is the full package. But getting him from Portland will be really hard as he’s locked in till 2014 I think & he’s the franchise player.
by Mub33b on Aug 16, 2011 10:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
We need Dwight or we are done
If we dont get that young dominant center than the Celtics wont be a championship team. They are getting old and need someone to bring the energy to the game and stick along for a while. If we dont get Dwight our plan B can be, DeAndre Jordan or Tyson Chandler are good but I prefer Jordan because he’s much younger and could be the next Dwight under the right coaching.
CP3
We’re not done without Howard. He’s good but I think I’d rather have CP3 anyway.
Neither CP3 nor Howard will make it to free agency.
A package with Rondo will net us CP3.
by florida dodger on Aug 17, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
rondo is a beast. why would u want cp3? sure he might be better right now, but if he is, it isn’t by much.
"the man who created a legend; the legend who resurrected a franchise."
Rondo is great
But I think CP3 is best point guard in the game; and one of best 5 players overall in NBA.
by florida dodger on Sep 3, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I also like Jordan ...
as a plan B option if in the rare chance the Clippers did not retain him and if the C’s plan is to acquire a young long term center of the future instead of a stop gap, low cost center.
I like Chandler also, the only down side is he will be 29 in October and does not have as long term a future of prime years service as Jordan would if he was attained.
KG is in my CITY!!! lol
As you know, KG is in China. And he come to my city this afternoon.
I have followed this guy for almost 10 years.
And he is here now.
This maybe the opportunity I see he for real.
Happiness consists in contentment.
by house5 on Aug 17, 2011 1:43 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Thank you. And he did well last night.
Happiness consists in contentment.
by house5 on Aug 18, 2011 1:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe Howard
Should do a Lebron James style speach when / if he moves, “I’m taking my atomic elbows to ………”
Somehow, the idea of Dwight Howard in a Celtics uniform doesn't seem to work.
But one could easily imagine him as a Faker.
Green > Purple and Gold
Howards looks better in Green than in Purple and Yellow =)
he looks like hes meant to be in Green
Well I think we have plenty of options
If we are going to continue building for the future
1- JaVale McGee (get him and JJJ working with KG and you have future monsters, and could impact now rather then later)
2 – Try to get Cousins out of Sactown, before he is mentally unsalvageable
3- Aaron Gray has a ton of potential, just needs to be on the right team
To win next year, or when ever next year is
1- We need Dwight
Cautionary note on Superman
While DH’s stats are awesome, there is something about his game I don’t trust. He disappears at times and, when things start go bad in certain stretches of the game, DH starts to wear that goofy smile and act like he’s somewhere else. DH does not impress me as a player who gets tough when the going gets tough. He doesn’t seem to have the fire in belly that marks so many of the Cs on our current roster.
by thereallargejames on Aug 17, 2011 11:19 AM EDT reply actions
this.
He’s an inside force no doubt. But during the times when it’s needed for him to show up, he does not.
I would like Dwight to play for the Celtics. But if the C’s can afford two good pieces for the price of Dwight i’d rather have that.
This is It
He doesnt have the fire, fellas. A feel good kinda; guy. Coasts on his gifts, doesnt add to his toolkit. As noted in another thread, Dwight (and Libby) are the top 2 for “guys you cant afford to ignore because of their physical gifts but with pressure can be contained and are not a threat to take over games” list (surely Simmons has a list like that).
"Celtics bring order and structure to a chaotic world"
D12 is very good but
if we could land a couple of other players I could be ok with that. Al Horford from Atlanta, former Jgreen Teammate from Gtown Roy Hibbert and Eric Gordon from the Clippers. then the starting 5 would be
Rage
Gordon
PP
Horford
Hibbert
Bench
Bradley
West
Jgreen
JJJ
Emoore
Wafer
FA- although I would like to keep Troy Murphy
FA- Joel Prizbilla maybe if his knee is ok
FA- or sign & trade(if there is such a thing with new CBA) with BBD
Jeffrey M Melhorn
Disappears
I think one of the reasons he disappears is SVG’s offense. I live in Orlando and their games are always on. DH will start out 5 of 6 and his defender is helpless and hopeless. Then for the next 10 mins, he doesn’t touch the ball as the 3pt shooters launch from the arc. sometimes it even looks like guys are saying “My turn, DH got his”. Yes, when they are hitting the results are fantastic for the Magic, but live by the 3 die by the 3, which is what they do. The Magic don’t really have a drivers or drive and dish guys. And rarely do you so the Magic playing inside out, they usually go the other way outside in, but while launching a lot of 3s.
If you watch their ball movement it’s mostly on the outside, with a skip pass once in a while. They really don’t do anything in the mid-range game. So you guard them at the Arc and in the post. Last year there were reports that the Magic were talking to Chris Bosh, I thought that was by far the best place for him. He’d have a dominant center, which is a position he doesn’t want to play. His mid range game would be a compliment to DH and he and DH would rule both boards. thankfully he went to Miami.
Celtics Sign or Trade for LaMarcus Aldridge and/or Nicholas Batum
Having these two guys would be a great addition to the C’s. If we are unable to get Howard then Danny Ainge should go for these two guys. They are both young and exceptionally athletic. Aldridge in my option is one of the best all around PF in the league and Batum is honestly a much younger Rasheed Wallace. Batum would probably be cheaper and he would be a huge spark off the bench. He can run the floor and knock down the three.
To people saying Aldridge
love his game, but how do you propose to get him? If we’re trading any of the big 3, it needs to happen THIS YEAR or else we won’t be getting nearly the return any of us want. If we’re not trading Ray, KG, or Paul, its got to be Rondo. This applies to almost any trade for a big name, really. And no, Jeff Green and Avery Bradley are not huge trading chips
Yeah, it’s just a dream of mine to have Aldridge in Green but it won’t happen. I don’t think we trade ANY of the Big 4 to get him & we got no chips that Portland would like. Maybe LMA gets tired of losing in the first round & the idea of playing with Rondo intriguies him & he comes via FA.
by Mub33b on Aug 17, 2011 10:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Remember what Wyc said
“We’ll use the Wallet Weapon”.
Could that mean draft choics, players AND CASH to make a trade?
Howard would help keep the team relevant more than any of the other guys that are going to be available
that could be more valuable than what he gives in the skills department. But getting him isn’t going to mean much unless the right guys are around him. A good leader will be a must, Howard isn’t much of one. Rondo could probably handle that part.
agreed
Can a lineup of Howard, an older Pierce and Rondo win a championship?
Beat Miami? I don’t see how that lineup is much better than the one
Howard has in Orlando now. Not unless Allen and KG took a huge paycut
to come back to play with Howard. I don’t see that happening either.
what about this season?
Are we going to have a season this year?
Does Ainge pick up a center – even a backup
to JO? No center = no chance. Especially
if Dalambert goes to Miami.
I am still hoping for the “old guys” to win one more.
Michael Jordan won a championship at 36 and
physically speaking – I think KG is in his class.
Ray too. They have aged well so to speak.
Orlando is still a contender and could win the ECC
if there is season. If Orlando wins the East – Howard
is not going anywhere.
Orlando will NOT win the East by a longshot. Chicago & Miami will fight it out for 1st & 2nd seed, I’m hoping Boston sticks around close to 2nd seed so maybe we can sneak up on the loser of Miami vs Chicago battle.
by Mub33b on Aug 17, 2011 10:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The difference between getting Howard and not getting Howard...
Is the difference between being the HAMMER and being the NAIL
And this?
Why would a goofy laid back life-long southerner with questionable work ethic/passion want to winter in cold gloomy Boston and work his tail off for Doc when he can coast in the sun in Orlando. or, L. A., amigo.
"Celtics bring order and structure to a chaotic world"
To be Fair
I understand about wishful thinking. I realize the attractions of power tripping. But, really, it I wouldnt put my eggs in the Dwight basket.
"Celtics bring order and structure to a chaotic world"
Duh - White Howard to me will never have the fire - as someone said above and as Jeff said he wants too much attention for my liking
I think Tenacious D said it best above regarding Duh-White Howard
I would personally like to try other avenues as some have mentioned above like LeMarcus Aldridge. I also think JaVal McGee also intrigues me.
I don’t like buying Superstars and to me KG was the exception but I think that worked because he was desperate to leave Minny and we had McHale on our side.
Speaking of the at trade I still miss Al Jeff…..
Is it Soup Yet?
superstars
Ray and KG were exceptions to buying superstars. Just look at the Heat. C’s need to be more like Dallas get solid players not primma donnas.
Ugh. I'm so sick of this off-season. Gawd I wish this stupid lockout was over ...
NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.
What I like about the ...
saga “what will happen to Dwight Howard” is that he at least he has “some” chance to come to Boston if he wants too.
It could be enticing for him to come to Boston since Boston could afford to acquire him with the right roster moves (especially next year), he would get the ball fed to him big time by Rondo, would play for the best players coach in the NBA in Doc and also would get to play for the most storied franchise in the NBA.
Who knows if the shot for Boston to land Howard is a good one or a poor one (only Ainge, Doc and Howard probably know for sure) but just the fact there is a chance for the C’s to land Howard is good with me and exciting.
Also the C’s are over due to acquire a big time young impact player in the prime of his career via free agency or trade (like the Lakers did when they acquired Shaq, Gasol and are rumored to be going after Howard and how the Heat did when they acquired Lebron and Bosh) since they not acquired such a player one can say since all the way back in 1980 when the C’s traded for Robert Parish and Mchale’s (draft pick).
Since then the biggest player acquisitions the C’s have made via trade and free agency signing has been signing players past there prime like DJ, Walton, Xavier, Wilkins, Ray KG and Rasheed, it would be so great to acquire a young stud in the prime of his career like Howard who would give us a big fat and long championship window.
So for that reason I am still crossing my fingers and toes that the C’s can some how acquire Superman when all is said and done.
Meant to say in my 4th paragraph above...
…..since they ( the C’s ) have not acquired such a player….
I agree that we should be like Dallas & get a bunch of solid players. Marcin Gortat, anyone? He’s a legit 15-10 player. If KG can develop JaJuan & he gains a bit of mass. JaJuan could be our new starting 4. Depending how well Green fits in after a training camp, he could be our future 3. If Clippers make the playoffs this season & let us use our Top-10 protected pick, we hope Austin Rivers falls down to us & snag em. Rondo-Rivers-Green-JaJuan-Gortat. Bench could be Delonte-Ray-Pierce-?-?
by Mub33b on Aug 19, 2011 1:46 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
It would be a very interesting team...
to have a young starting core of Rondo, Rivers, Green, JaJuan and Gortat (or some other young talented center like Howard or Jordan etc.) along with Delonte , Ray , Pierce and maybe KG and some other low cost center like Thomas etc. on minimum contracts coming off the C’s bench.
It would be the best of both worlds in that the C’s would have a young core moving forward into the future and at the same time still retain the services (though in a more diminished role) of the big 3 coming off the bench.
Who knows what the odds are that the above team could be the team the C’s try to assemble down the line, but I would assume it should be financially possible for the C’s to build such a team next year if Ainge does not spend foolishly this year, pursues short term, stop gap players with 1 year contracts this season ( if there is a season) and waits until the big contracts of Ray, KG, J.O’s (and maybe Baby’s this year if he is traded) comes off the books which would allow Ainge alot of financial flexibility to attempt to sign the players and build such a team described above.
I think KG will be retired by the time this happens (in my head), Pierce will be a shell of himself but effective same with Ray. I don’t think we need a SUPERSTAR, especially not Howard. In my head when I say Rondo averaging 16-18PPG, he has a decent mid range jumper & is shooting 70% from the line. JaJuan has become a 240lb KG replica (JK, but he’s reminiscent of KG!), Green has learned our system & toughened up. Whoever our 5 is can rebound & score, idk 10 points? I also been thinking about Rudy Gay in Boston. He’d be great here. But back to my scenario, a lot has to go right for us to make this work. I still wanna see how Avery Bradley can develop & how E’Twaun Moore can be for us along with Gilbert Brown.
by Mub33b on Aug 20, 2011 2:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions



































