Offseason Reboot: Building A Roster (Yes, For This Year)
Ok, we're all tired of this lockout business. But enough crying in our metaphorical milks. I'm moving on and assuming these greedy, privileged, out of touch owners and players figure out a way to split up their millions and billions without costing us too many "games that count."
I'm rubbing my eyes, getting up off the couch, brushing the Doritos crumbs off my smelly t-shirt, stretching out the limbs, splashing some cold water on my face, and going out for a jog. Metaphorically of course. How could I type when I'm jogging? I hate running anyway, I don't see the point unless there's a ball and a hoop. But I digress.
We've got a small roster and big expectations. So how do we make this work? First, let's take inventory.
Our starting five is all set unless Ainge finds a way to upgrade the center position or goes completely bonkers and trades one of the BIg 4. Rondo, Ray, Paul, KG, and O'Neal is still one of the top starting fives in the entire league (...when healthy. Sorry, but that won't be the last time that disclaimer shows up).
The only other guy under contract is Avery Bradley and we've drafted JaJuan Johnson and E'Twaun Moore. So we're going to have to get into the theoretical from that point on. We've got time to get into crazy machinations of the roster in the days and weeks ahead, but for the purposes of this article, I'm going with what I view as the most likely scenario. You are encouraged to disagree in the comments below.
I'm going to predict a lot of the same actually. Take our two biggest free agents. I'm 100% in the camp of "don't overpay these guys, if someone throws the bank at them, wish them well." I also don't believe that will happen. Teams will be scrambling for players and time will be very important. Nobody is going to want to wait a week with free agent money tied up in an offer to a restricted free agent like Jeff Green. He's going to take the qualifying offer and try to make good next year. Fine with me.
I also don't see Glen Davis getting the kind of cash he'll be looking for on the open market. I'm not nearly as confident about this prediction but I think ultimately he'll realize that undersized power forwards just don't get paid like 7 footers do.
Next in the reunion tour is fan favorite Delonte West. He got his start in Boston, he got his second chance in Boston, I don't see why he wouldn't be on board with another tour. He's still got difference-maker talent, but he's still got enough of that "handle with care" aura about him that will scare off other teams.
So, that gives us a lineup that looks like this.
PG: Rondo - Bradley
SG: Allen - West - Moore
SF: Pierce - Green
PF: KG - Baby - Johnson
C: O'Neal
Not a bad start. We'll obviously have to fill in the hole at backup center, with an eye on the fact that the backup could well become a starter at any moment. This is where things get fun to debate - as we did in the forums today.
Assuming guys like Nene or Tyson Chandler are well out of our range, you have to make a decision. Do you chase a bigger name free agent with the MLE (assuming there is such a thing) or do you settle for the scraps in order to preserve cap space in 2012? I get the notion of "going for it" while we have the Big 3 under wraps and perhaps on their last legs, but I think you had better find a guy that is part of the long term solution as well as the short term if you are going to toss that cap space away. If we were going to lock up money on a center, it should have been Perkins. But that ship sailed.
DeAndre Jordan is tempting but I'm not sure about him yet. Samuel Dalembert seems like a logical option, but I really don't like him. I think he stuffs box scores with blocks while breaking the team defense concept and hurting his team as a whole. He'll be great on Miami where athletes fly around making athletic plays without much cooperation, but he seems a poor fit in Boston's system.
So that puts us in the dregs, and I'm feeling strangely fine with that. This team doesn't need a star center, we just need someone to play defense and catch the ball when Rondo tosses it to him. Ok, that might be a tall task for these tall rejects, but you get what you pay for, and we don't have much money to throw around (this year at least).
Right now, I'll take any two of the following:
- Kwame Brown - probably my top choice and a classic Danny Ainge pickup (big name that didn't pan out but still has talent)
- Jason Collins - NBA 2K12 may rate him as the worst player in the NBA, but I think he can play defense enough to help out in a pinch
- Joel Przybilla - Hey, he's not as hurt as he used to be! Ok, he's not a reliable option, but that's why I want 2 off this list.
Beyond that, the list gets a lot more hazy for me. Is Jeff Foster still hurt? Did Dampier retire? I Fesenko more than just an internet sensation? Is Robert Swift walking upright these days? I just don't know.
Filling out the roster is easy enough if you just bring in some undrafted free agents (Ainge has already zeroed in on Gilbert Brown of Pitt). And if you want to toss in a retread free agent somewhere else on the roster, fine with me.
So, this got long in a hurry and I'm tired and ready for bed, so here's my quick projected roster.
PG: Rondo - Bradley - Arroyo?
SG: Allen - West - Moore
SF: Pierce - Green - G. Brown
PF: KG - Baby - Johnson
C: O'Neal - K. Brown - Collins
I think that gives us a legit chance at a ring next year and maintains cap flexibility for the following season. But I could be wrong.
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I think that's a realistic roster...
I’m skeptical it can win a championship, though.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
that's fair
but you just have to get in the door to get a shot, that’s all we need
and just because it is the most realistic roster doesn’t mean it is what is going to happen – if anything, Ainge is very creative in times like this
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I had a similar post in FanPosts about this. We have almost the same lineup.
Rondo-Delonte-AB
Ray-Anthony Parker-E’Twaun
Pierce-Green-G.Brown
KG-Varies on Baby-JaJuan
JO-Kwame-Alexis Ajinca
I like the Arroyo idea you have so if we can’t land Anthony Parker than I’m fine with moving Delonte to the 2 guard & Arroyo at the point. I’m not as optimistic on Baby staying, I think with David West leaving NO & CP3 needing somone that NO will overpay him. I guess we could give Troy Murphy another chance or bring back Leon Powe. Ajinca is unknown but he’s 7"2 & is good all around. I think Doc will be forced to give PT to the rookies & I think it’ll benefit us as ETwaun is a good 3PT shooter (Another reason to skip on Anthony Parker?) & JaJuan, I feel can be our starter after KG leaves if he adds weight to like 240 & listens to KG.
by Mub33b on Sep 27, 2011 11:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I like a lot of your ideas here.
I agree that I’m not sure Baby stays. And frankly I think we should try our best to get more length for that position. I’d be OK if we got someone who was less potentially explosive as BBD is/was if we got someone who was more consistent on offense and didn’t give up so much length on defense.
If Doc ended up playing JJJ a lot, then that addresses the length there – but that’s a big “IF”. JJJ should come here a lot more prepared than most rookies because he was a full 4-year guy. But its hard for any rookie to get minutes on a team that is contending – and hopefully we are at least contending.
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yeah this is a roster that i can totally see on opening day but honestly we'll lose in the 2nd round to the knicks,heat or chicago & thats if were even healthy
unless rondo develops into a top 10 player and has a jumper
What about Nazr Mohammed to backup JO?
Reliable mid-range shooter, plays defense, mean as a copperhead. He’s up there in age, but so is Pryzbilla.
by KY Celts fan on Sep 27, 2011 11:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Forgot to mention he and Rondo have been playing games and working out together all summer here in KY.
by KY Celts fan on Sep 27, 2011 11:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree withn this roster..
And also agree that Big Baby will stay and eventually be traded. I think trading him for OJ Mayo is a feasible plan since last trade deadline he almost got traded to a less-heralded McRoberts in Indiana. Salary wise they also match since I assume BBD will get MLE money when signed. Earlier in the season last year he also commended Rondo as the best point guard in the league (and not Conley his team mate) so it appears being a Celt is not a problem with him. It won’t also affect our cap flexibility since he will be an RFA the following year. It will answer our search for a shooter just like what Doc said, just imagine a Rondo – Mayo – Green connection, not bad. He will undergo some vet teaching from Ray Ray, and I believe he will eventually part of the future of the franchise.
With regards to the C position, I agree with the Kwame Brown and Jason Collins signing. Two legitimate Centers that can answer our void in that position. Defensively, I think they can contribute but offensively, we need a little drop pass from Rondo there.
Alexis Ajinca could also be another option, a 7’2" young player with a good shooting touch. I think with a little guidance from the C’s vets especially KG, he’ll be solid for us in no time.
Realistic roster....yes.
Probably a second round exit is the best this line up can do.
there's realistic and then there's Bill Simmons
Simmons: My best case-scenario: The Celtics use their amnesty on O’Neal, then sign Memo Okur after Utah uses its amnesty on him. So if you’re scoring at home, I’m excited about a quintuple hypothetical: the lockout hypothetically ending, the amnesty clause hypothetically being part of the agreement, Okur and O’Neal hypothetically being dumped, then the Celtics hypothetically grabbing Memo.
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I don't understand why we'd use the amnesty clause on JO
He has one year left on his deal. We can either pay him $6 million and hope he plays in 50% of our games, or we can pay him $6 million to stay home. We’re not going to have cap room either way, and we have a ton of open roster spots, so there would be absolutely nothing positive that came from cutting JO.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
Simmons is the worst kind of fan.
Claims to be diehard but always bets against them. I guess for him its win-win. If his team wins, well, they win. But if they lose, he gets to be pretend he’s smarter than everyone since he called it.
by KY Celts fan on Sep 28, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Such thin skin, too...
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
Felger does the same transparent trick.
Its’ all pretty lame.
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they cannot win it all with the center positions handled as such
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by mcpu40 on Sep 28, 2011 8:51 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I tend to agree...
… but what’s the other alternative?
I’m still desperately hoping that there’s some possible trade involving CP3 / Okafor. However, that’s a pipe dream, I think.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
If JO stays healthy, they could.
Now, if Kwame Brown is your starting Center for any significant portion of the season, or into the playoffs at all. Then ya, I’d tend to agree with you.
But, if JO can stay upright, that team has a chance.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
04 + 07 = 11
ha ha ha, if JO stays healthy, that's rich
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by mcpu40 on Sep 28, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Again, I ask...
… what’s the other alternative?
The crop of free agent centers that we can sign is extremely thin. Kwame may be the best of a bad bunch, when discussing sub-MLE options.
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Sadly, no...
He actually wasn’t horrible last season with Charlotte though. He’s definitely a serviceable back up Center, he’s always rebounded the ball fairly well, and he’s still big.
So, on a minimum deal, it could be worse. Not much worse, but worse.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
04 + 07 = 11
kwame brown is no joke - surround that guy with docs coaching and our talent and schemes that made PERKINS an offensive threat and voila... instant addition to age-old Celtic tradition of grabbing vets for another title run...
…oh – and he blocks russell-control style frequently… and KG likes him…
Of course what the C's roster will look like next season ...
will depend on what route the C’s take and if they will seek to rebuild or go with core for one more run.
If Ainge seeks to rebuild the club and to get younger for the future he may seek to trade some of the valuable assets he does have to do so for example like:
*The big valuable expiring contracts of KG,
*The big valuable expiring contract of Ray
*To a lesser extent the valuable expiring contract of J.O
*Big Baby who as runner up to 6th man award winner last season should have some trade value (if the C’s can arrange a sign and trade with him)
*Green who though Id like to see remain a Celtic (since he is exactly the type of young, athletic player the team needs to rebuild) is also another trade asset Ainge can utilize as trade chip if he wants to go acquire another team need.
*Rondo and Pierce are also other trade assets and chips Ainge has if he wanted to be bold and trade one of them away (as he said he would be open to doing if the right trade came across him) to fill another team need and to help the team rebuild.
But if the C’s plan next season is to stay pat and go for one more run with the core (as Doc hinted will be the goal next season when interviewed last week) I think a realistic roster next season and one I would like to see since assembled which I think would kill 2 birds with 1 stone being making the C’s competitive next season to have a shot at a title and also not tie them up with long term contracts to allow them to have cap flexibility to rebuild in 2012 would be a roster made up of the following players:
Starters:
Rondo, Ray,Oneal,KG, Pierce
Bench:
Guards: Delonte (1 yr min deal), Bradley, Moore
Small forward: Green , Simms (1 yr min deal)
Power forwards: Troy Murphy, Lasme (both signed to 1 yr min deals) and J.J.
Centers: Thomas, Battie or Przybilla
(some dual combination of the above or other low cost centers signed to 1 yr. min deals)
I think the above roster would be a deep, athletic and team with nice front court size which would be if healthy very competitive next season, would be affordable and most importantly as mentioned above would not tie the C’s hands in 2012 (when the real rebuilding probably will begin) since most of the contracts would come off the books at the end of 2011 season.
Just my 2 cents though.
RE: Fordescort
I kind of agree with your roster but where do you see athlecism. The one guy I really guestion is Troy Murphy, I think that ship has sailed.
One guy I’d like to see them get is Jamario Moon. He’d be a nice athletic SF who could guard Bron and some of the other star SF,
I could be wrong but I see like this...
Regarding the roster I mention above that Id like the C’s to assemble heading into next season, I think it would be a more athletic team then last years for the following reasons:
I think the starters:
Rondo, Ray , KG , Pierce and also J.O. (when healthy) even though some of them have slowed down a bit due to age are still fairly athletic players.
I think with the bench:
Delonte, Bradley and Moore are athletic guards,
Green and Simms would be very athletic small forwards.
Troy (who is still young and I think can help the team) would be far more athletic as Baby’s replacement and J.J. & Lasme are also very athletic power forwards.
Also considering how slow the C’s were at center last season with Shaq and since Krsitic was not a very athletic center, I think any combination ( I think the C’s need to sign 2 legit low cost centers) of players such as my preference of Thomas, Pryzbella and especially Battie (or even Kwame) would make the C’s more athletic at the center position heading into this season then they were last year.
Just my opinion though
Re: Fordescort
Sorry, still don’t see the athleticism in the starting 5, except Rondo. KG was but injuries and age have caught up to him – although for spurts he shows it, but not 30 mins a game. PP and JO are physical players but wouldn’t call either athletic. Ray is 35 years old and has lost a lot of his athleticism but he sure can shoot.
I think the biggest area that our lack of athleticism hurts us is at SF. PP has to go up against all these very athletic guys and it wears him out. That’s why I suggested Jamerio Moon, who is very ahtletic, a good defender and a good offensive rebounder from what I’ve seen. As I was writing this post, another area that we should try to upgrade, if possible, is our outside shooting. PP, Ray and KG are solid from mid-range but only Ray and PP from 3PT line.
Off the bench BBD is decent mid-range, but has a tendency to hog the ball, trying to back people down. I think Green is slightly above average in the mid-range game, but for some reason last year we seem to stick him in a corner and he’d brick up another 3.
You’re right some of the rookies are athletic, but hard to fathom them getting a lot of PT with the guys in front of them. Especially, if your goal is a championship!
I ...
disagree the starters lack of athleticism as I think they are for the most part still rather athletic players.
I think the bigger problem is not lack of athleticism but (as you mention) the older starters lack the stamina to be able to play a full game at a 100% level….which is a hard problem to remedy unless we can turn back time …LOL.
Not to repeat myself but …
I also think the bench would be a rather athletic bunch of players:
Delonte, Avery and Moore are all athletic backcourt players.
I like Moon and think he would be a nice pick if the C’s can get him at the right price.
But Green and if the C’s were to sign Deshawn Simms ( which I would love to see as he is young, has upside to possibly be a player of the future for the C’s) would give the C’s two very athletic and long players at the 3 position who could also help Pierce guard the stronger, athletic 3’s like Lebron.
I think if Baby was replaced by Troy the athleticism at the 4 position would instantly increase and the additions to the roster of J.J and if Lasme can be signed (which Id like to see) would give the C’s alot of athleticism at the 4 position.
Also as I mentioned above I think replacing both Shaq and Krstic who were not very athletic players with some combination of players like Thomas, Battie , Pryzibilla or even Brown would give the C’s a healthier and more athletic center rotation then they had last year.
So if the C’s go with a team roster like I mention above, play the young players more (which they may have to do with the stamina issue the starters may have at there age and the lesser minutes they may to play ) I think the team would be a fairly athletic team and would also have more athleticism then last years squad.
Just my 2 cents though.
Center
Any chance the C’s can get back Semih Erden? I liked when he was in green. I think KG and the rest of the team really liked his hustle.
by O'Neal on Sep 28, 2011 11:29 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
I would not mind seeing Erden back some day also.
He is I believe under contract for the time being so the C’s could not acquire him unless they traded for him, but considering Ainge has always liked Erden, if he enjoyed his time in Boston and would like to return someday, maybe when his current contact is Ainge will try to acquire him via free agent signing.
I think Erden has pretty good big man skills to begin with but if he can improve on his game ( he is still young so its possible) and can add some more upper body muscle I think he would only become a better and would make at worse a very serviceable back up big.
Sorry...
Meant to say in my 2nd paragraph above:
" maybe when his current contract is up, Ainge will try to acquire him via free agent signing"
His contract runs through 2011-2012
so unless we traded for him back before then the soonest he would be available via FA would be next year. I believe he will be restricted, but haven’t checked for sure.
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Bridge year...
I think most fans will hate to accept it but Ainge isn’t in love with this core as a title contending core any longer (I don’t think he thought their chances were great last season either, otherwise he probably doesn’t make a big shakeup to a team he really thinks is primed to win a championship). I agree with that sentiment if it is indeed in Ainge’s mind. As much as I’d love to count on Rondo being a top 10 player in the NBA (which is what it takes to win a championship, having a top 10 and likely top 5 type player) I just can’t count on that. (Dirk Nowitski was ABSOLUTELY a top 10 player last season IMO, for the record)
So with that being said, why would Ainge invest any more than he has to into a team that is destined for a playoff exit regardless of what type of salary/years commitments he makes this offseason?
That means strictly one year deals unless we are talking about contracts costing less than $2million per season. Believe it or not, I think that means that Kwame Brown willy likely get priced out of the Celtics willingness to pay range. He’ll get at LEAST $3million per and likely for at LEAST 2 seasons. He’s still relatively young and productive. So that means that Ainge is likely going to be looking at old centers (such as Kurt Thomas and Jeff Foster) and young unproven guys like Erden, Fesenko and any others like that. You’re going to need to add at least two centers of that ilk, and depending on what happens with Davis you might need to go out and get a PF-C as well.
Speaking on Davis, I think it’s 50-50 on whether he returns. I don’t believe there will be a whole lot of interest in him around the league. He’s a productive player but he has flaws to his game and frankly he could balloon in weight at any time. However, I do think it’s possible someone will offer him a two year deal at more than $2 million per, which IMO would price him out of where the Celtics would like to keep him, which is likely on a one year deal around his current salary. If he leaves the Celtics could stick with Murphy (I think Powe won’t be brought back) or go for one of the many cheap PFs around the league on a minimum deal.
I agree with the reasoning others have put forward for Jeff Green being brought back on the qualifying offer, unless of course a team calls Ainge’s bluff on matching and REALLY, REALLY loves Green. For one I don’t see that as being that distinct of a possibility so I think Ainge’s gamble on Green’s value being > Perkins value in the short term, will pay off.
I think West will be resigned with a one year deal with raises and a team option second year, he still has a lot to prove.
I think that with that type of roster the goal of the season would be to get some seasoning on Bradley and Green particularly, and perhaps make a move mid-season for any available elite star player with the cap relief the Celtics are able to provide being the major incentive for any teams willing to deal. This could be the season we see a big, big move with Ray, J.O. Green, or even possibly KG involved. I wouldn’t rule out a deal where the Celtics take back a bad salary that lasts a couple seasons in order to get an “elite” cheap young prospect in return (but no young stars who are not elite on big money contracts like Monta Ellis for example).
Obviously, the fall back plan involves a crapload of cap space in order to get the biggest fish in the next season, so any achievements this season are gravvy. And any moves that can be made to add to the core beyond the “big three” will be done, especially if they don’t impact cap space. I wouldn’t expect ANY “win now” type of moves from Ainge but obviously no one would be disappointed if Rondo stepped his game up to a Stockton-esque level and carried this team to a championship. But outside of that there is nothing Ainge can really do to get this team to win now outside of maybe Paul/Okafor and even then that wouldn’t come close to guaranteeing anything.
Basketball is like war in that offensive weapons are developed first, and it always takes a while for the defense to catch up. - Red Auerbach
Regarding Baby
I agree that his future is up in the air and it will be interesting to see what the C’s do with him.
I personally think that Baby is expendable now with the drafting of J.J. and if the C’s can sign resign Murphy like we both agree the C’s should do.
I think since Baby was runner up to sixth man award winner last year he does indeed have trade value and would assume could be used as trade bait, so for that reason Id like to see the C’s try to sign and trade him to some other team, in exchange for another player (to help some other team need..like center etc.) or even a draft pick to help the C’s rebuild down the line.
I think though Baby’s weight is a concern, but I think his lack of length is his biggest acheleas heal which makes him not the greatest fit for the C’s.
I think with a power forward rotation of KG, Murphy, J.J. (and also Lasme that Id like to see the C’s sign) it would give the C’s a very long (which I like alot), deep, talented, athletic, and low cost group of players to go to battle with next season and the most important good news is all of there contracts should come off the books when the season ends allowing the C’s financial flexibility in 2012 to start to rebuild the club .
RE: IanMello and Fordescort
I basically agree with you. However, I see BBD as a filler in a trade a not the major piece.
I think once a new CBA is signed and FA begins, DA should look at an Al Thorton or Earl Clark type player. Not for a big salary – 3yrs/7/8M. Neither has establihsed himself and they might find themselves left out when the money runs out. Let’s face it, It’s going to be a crazy time with FA starting 2 weeks before training camp. Heck, you might even be able to get a Deandre Jordan type big man with the right deal and still not kill next summer’s salary cap. Yes, that also wishful thinking, but big mistakes are going to be made this year in FA, just based on the time crunch.
Thats true...
Ainge could in addition to exploring to trade Baby straight up could also as you say try to explore moving him in a package with some other team trade asset, like the ones I mentioned above and even next seasons draft pick to acquire player(s) in return to fill another team need next season or help the C’s rebuilding plan down the line.
Though I think Baby is a good trade chip, is expendable and though I think it would be in the C’s better interest to have J.J. and possibly my preference Murphy and Lasme (who I really like to see wear Green again if he can get away from his current Spanish team to sign with the C’s) ) signed as the backups to KG to give the C’s a longer, bigger, deeper and more athletic power forward rotation, it will be interesting to see what the C’s do with Baby and if they seek to retain him.
I also like Jordan and have commented in the past how he would be a nice center of the future for the C’s to try to build around if they could ever acquire him, which is probably slim, but not totally impossible.
I wonder though how much he will seek from the Clippers and how much they will offer to pay him as he still has not yet develop into a great big man, but has all the tools and upside to do so.
this roster is certainly very possible
but I’d prefer to swap out Arroyo and Brown for another shot at Quisy if he’s healthy and either Lasme if he’s healthy or Murphy if he’s not a stiff.
I’m leary about Quisy’s health but when he was playing, he provided a terrific dimension off the bench that allowed Doc a lot of flexibility. Not that I believe all the starters should be off the floor at the same time but a second unit of West, Quisy, Green, BBD and Kwame would be pretty good. Certainly flexible enough to allow Doc to play mix-and-match with the starters to provide sufficient rest as well as maintaining scoring and D. Having Collins and Murphy/Lasme on the bench in case of emergency would (on paper) be pretty solid.
I’d expect nothing from Avery, JJ or Moore this season. If they can provide something off the bench, great, if not, no loss since they should be developing with an eye towards next year.
That team has no chance--none--of winning a championship
Bradley is potentially a SG, he just doesn’t see the game like a PG. So I see PG as Rondo, Delonte and Arroyo.
In back of Ray at SG, you’d have Bradley and … Wafer? Ouch. That second-team backcourt is going nowhere.
The total hole at C prevents this Cs team from being any good. There IS no good solution. That is why this team would never beat Miami, Chicago or even Orlando. Even Philly might be better.
The lockout is like nirvana compared to what is going to follow for the Cs.
"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark
Not sure I agree
Yes, I’d rate the Celts chances this year in the maybe 10% to win it all. However, that all depends on what happens in FA and trades, plus the I think the Jeff Green might surprise some Celtics fans. He had a tough time after the trade, but if you watched him with OKC, the guy can play, he’s not a slug. I think he was overwhelmed last year and with a training camp and time to settle in will be a solid contributor. Not saying All-Star but 6th man of the year type, maybe.
I’m not as down on our Center situation as you are. We don’t expect much out of it. JO can rebound and play D, especially when healthy. If he’s healthy he can also score. If the backups can fill the same type role, I think that’s adequate. One thing no one has mentioned, and I wouldn’t mind see is KG playing some C. He would be a match nightmare, especially if matched up against 2nd string centers. Doc is talking about playing KG in 6 minute stints this year and that would allow him to match up with 2nd string guys quite often.
Like I posted earlier, FA this year will be at a frantic pace. There will be many mistakes made, decison time for team and players will be very short, and there will be opportunities to get really good players at bargain prices. If we can make a couple of good pickups, our chances would improve greatly.
While I agree that KG at the 5 is a potentially solution
and indeed, Doc has put him there a lot when we ran with a bench SF at the 4 (Posey in 2007, Green last year).
But putting him at the 5 exposes KG to a lot of physical banging and I’m not sure we want to risk wearing him down.
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I predict Bradly will provide a LOT more impact this year (if we have a year!).
He’ll reach his 21st birthday in Nov., finally. This kid still has fantastic upside. He’ll have been within the C’s system for a full season. Doc should have a lot more confidence in him.
I do agree he’s probably better off as an SG.
Don’t forget that we also have E’tuan Moore as another potential SG. He’ll be rookie, but like Johnson he was a full 4 year guy and thus more developed (think of how Luke H. got more minutes than the average rookie last year – he was also a more mature 4-year guy). Moore’s actually older than Bradley.
The hole at C is indeed a huge concern. Our backcourt and wings look relatively solid. When healthy, KG and JO should form a formidable front court. But we have GOT to have strong backups behind them because the risk of injury is too high. As the last three years have shown – depth at the bigs is critical. You can never have too many bigs!
NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.
I saw a few
European/South American bigs in the Eurobasket and Americas tourneys that could be serviceable (or more) backups.
Bridge Year
The expectations for the Celtic’s should, unfortunately, be extremely low. People just don’t realize how important Perk’s defense was. Add to that the fact that the East got a whole lot better last season and its not a stretch to see the C’s dropping to 4th or 5th in the east. I think it’ll look like this
1.Miami
2.Chicago
3. Atlanta (If that kid Teague keeps motoring like he did in the playoffs)
4.Orlando
5.Boston
6.New York (These three are all pretty interchangeable)
Philly, Indy, Milwaukee, and New Jersey will all fight it out to get swept by the top two.
Its entirely possible that we don’t make it outta the first round w/o a big upgrade. This is all assuming we actually have a season, of course.
Dude, really?
Number 5? Where’s the faith? I understand what u are saying, but expectations shouldn’t be that low. Perkins is gone and that’s it. I though J.O. did a perfect job in place of K.P. and Shaq during the playoffs. A lot of thing happened during the 2011 season. But let’s be real the Celtics limped into the playoffs after a major shake-up of their roster, Shaq was basically done for the season, J.O. had a fractured right hand during the Heat series, Rondo, a key player, dislocated his arm, and the bench absolutely gave us nothing until game 5 of the Heat series, but the C’s fell apart and allowed Miami to takeover and the officiating was horrific.
You’re right the Celtics need to upgrade especially the bench. 2011-2012 Danny should try and duplicate a bench similar to the 2010-2011 roster before the trade.




































