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Home Away From Home, Celtics Beat Wizards

The Wizards wanted to show off their new uniforms so the Celtics wore their home whites. That worked out great because the Celts must have felt like they were at home and played accordingly. Of course it might have helped that the winless Wizards are still a young and inexperienced team with lots of room for growth. Still, it is nice to see Boston take advantage of their own experience and not fall victim to a team with athleticism and (in some cases) raw talent.

The Celtics led by as many as 19, the Wiz were able to cut it to as little as 7 when the Celtics pushed the peddle down and put it away. These two teams will run it back tomorrow - this time really in Boston.

  • Rajon Rondo must have enjoyed playing against phenom John Wall - he messed around and got a triple double.
  • Kevin Garnett must have read the "What's Up With KG?" FanPost and had his best game of the year. I'm sure it had nothing to do with going up against Andre Blatche.
  • 10 Celtics players scored tonight - highlighting the all around effort.
  • On a similar note: Doc was able to keep everyone under 35 minutes!
I'll take another game just like this tomorrow if you don't mind (though watch out for jet-lag and the Wizards young legs).

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Fafnir - sorry about that

I should have checked the schedule first! my bad

Faith and Sports - an essay by Jeff Clark

by Jeff Clark on Jan 1, 2012 8:32 PM EST reply actions  

Happy New Year Jeff C.

you are indeed the maven of Celtic information and happenings.
What do you make of the Demarcus Cousins situation, and is there anyway DA could get him?

by gocanes1 on Jan 1, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

lol - "maven"

I’m sure Danny is on the phone already – he’s always looking for a bargain

not sure it is a match though – we’ll see

Faith and Sports - an essay by Jeff Clark

by Jeff Clark on Jan 1, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

CP3

I’m not even going to say anything else about that topic.

This, was, great.

Look out for Stiemsma as well, who, with his 3 blocks, is in the running for league first, per game. He’s second right now.

- Just call me Dirk!

Twitter: @4Hoopz

by Kiorrik on Jan 1, 2012 8:33 PM EST reply actions  

Totally agree.

What a find, seemingly out of nowhere, by Ainge. Stiemsma really makes an impact when he’s in there. Stiemsma is much better than I could reasonably have hoped for. I always look forward to him being in the game. It’s exciting having a great shot-blocker.

by Mencius on Jan 1, 2012 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Me too !

Though its still early in the year, so far Stiemsma has shown he can potentiality do more then just block shots.

He has shown he is athletic, can run the floor, is a good man to man power defender in the paint, has good foot and hand work coordination on defense, seems as if he can rebound well, has good hands to catch passes plus finish strong at the basket on offense and has some perimeter and in the paint scoring skills when he utilizes his jumper and hook shot.

All nice stuff from a center who is still learning the game.

by fordescort on Jan 1, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

He shoulda had 4 blocks

The foul call when he blocked Wall from the back was totally bogus.

by JR99 on Jan 1, 2012 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

I agree full with your comment:
“I always look forward to him being in the game”
because I feel the same way.

I hope even when Wilcox comes back , that Doc will continue to give this kid minutes and make him the primary back up center.

I think Stiemsma can not only help the C’s this year if he gets minutes, but the gravy is it will help promote his development and help groom him to possibly be the Celtics center of the future once J.O. retires and as the C’s seek to rebuild starting next year.

by fordescort on Jan 1, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

steimsma is another example of a rookie

that only got playing time under Doc when his preferred veteran option was injured.

I’d really like to have Wilcox back as a solid vet off the bench but Steimsma has played well enough to justify giving him time even after Wilcox returns.

by slamtheking on Jan 1, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree 100% slamtheking,

I sure hope when Wilcox comes back that Doc does not bury Stiemsma on the bench.

I hope since I think playing Steimsma not only helps the C’s this year (since the kid looks like he has talent and can contribute) but since by playing this year he can also get a jump start on possibly being groomed as the C’s possible center of the future, I hope that Doc will give him minutes over Wilcox.

I think the plan was to have Wilcox be the primary back up center (even though he is not a legit center) to start out the season until the C’s could find a legit back up center,
But with the C’s now apparently finding a legit back up center in Steimsma (which I think is big and great news since the need for a backup legit center was so big for the C’s) I hope Steimsma becomes the primary back up center and that Wilcox becomes the 3rd string and insurance back up center the rest of the season.

Just my 2 cents though.

by fordescort on Jan 2, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

As I indicate way below, Stiemsma is only 'technically' a rookie

He’s lot older (26) and more experienced in pro ball (3 years of international and D-league) than the typical ‘rookie’.

I do agree that Stiemsma’s been a pleasant ‘surprise’ and should really help to shore things up at the 5. I fully expect now that he’ll retain a share of the big-man rotation even after Wilcox comes back. Wilcox can split his minutes across both C and PF so he’ll definitely get time on the court, but that won’t cut solely out of any one person’s minutes.

If JJ can get more and more comfortable over the next couple of months, he could help us go 6-deep (KG, JO, BB, CW, SG & JJ) at the 4-5 which is something you and I both agree is critical when you hit the playoffs.

NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.

by mmmmm on Jan 2, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes agree fully as you say ...

if the C’s can be a legit 6 deep in the front court come playoff time it will be great as it will provide depth and insurance in case of foul problems or injury.

I think the vets if healthy in KG, JO, Wilcox and especially Bass who has really played well so far will be fine if they are healthy come playoff time.

The key will be if Doc will play Greg and JJ enough to give them enough NBA experience to prep them if we shall need them come playoff time.

Though Greg has played overseas and in the D league and does have some experience greater then college, I still think he needs to get his feet wet in the NBA and hope Doc gives him minutes to help prep him for NBA caliber of play this year and especially to help prime him for the playoffs where the C’s may really need Greg when games usually become more of half court defensive power game.

I think with the C’s lacking a legit center I assume and hope Doc will be able to find some minutes to play Greg as the primary backup center.
Also like I keep mentioning, I think playing Greg will not just aid him to get better in the short term to help the C’s this year, including the playoffs, but the gravy also will be it will also help kick start his development to potentially help the C’s long term down the line to be the C’s center of the future which the C’s will need as they seek to rebuild next year.

Though I wished he could play alot more , I fear that it will be alot harder to get minutes this year for JJ, since we are just stocked at the 4 position with KG, Bass AND Wilcox ahead of him.
But if Doc can somehow get his feet wet also and give JJ at least some serious minutes (maybe on back to back games if KG sits etc.) to help give him some NBA experience this year, especially since he (unlike Greg) is a legit rookie to help prime and prep him a bit for the playoffs, in case we need him it would be great.

by fordescort on Jan 2, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Rec'd.

That’s FAST.

Well done :D

- Just call me Dirk!

Twitter: @4Hoopz

by Kiorrik on Jan 1, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't want to be this kind of fan

But… Whatever… It’s the Wizards and the Pistons……….

by Celticsdude on Jan 1, 2012 8:35 PM EST reply actions  

I hear you

and I agree – hope to see them carry some momentum into some games against harder comp

Faith and Sports - an essay by Jeff Clark

by Jeff Clark on Jan 1, 2012 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree...

…but I see it as the perfect opportunity to “slowly” break-in Capn Pierce’s game off of injury/layoff, just in time for the better teams ;)

by japsuki on Jan 1, 2012 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I think everyone realizes but are just enjoying the victories anyway

Nothing wrong with that. Those first 3 were brutal to watch.

by garz on Jan 1, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

An absolute virtuoso performance by Rondo

Garnett had a very fine game too, but Rondo playing like he was… well, he’s every bit as good as Chris Paul when he’s on his game (in fact, when he plays like he did tonight he may well be better). I’m really glad we kept Rondo. Absolutely love the way he played tonight.

by Mencius on Jan 1, 2012 8:35 PM EST reply actions  

+1

Rondo set the tone tonight and played well indeed.

by fordescort on Jan 1, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Rondo and Wall played with each other a lot this summer

So it was no surprise to see them going after each other and play to the other’s weaknesses.

Really nice to see KG have a good game.

by KY Celts fan on Jan 1, 2012 8:39 PM EST reply actions  

Wall nearly had a triple double too

but anyone watching the game could tell that Rondo was in complete control. I’m also liking how our bench is coming together – Bass is great, Dooling is playing well, and Stiemsma has been awesome so far.

by mc34 on Jan 1, 2012 8:39 PM EST reply actions  

Daniels is disapointing.

he needs to make those wide open jumpers.

by APC on Jan 1, 2012 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

No, he needs more confidence. 3 bad games in a row after 2 of the amazing ones...

Nothing was going good against the Hornets, that stayed with him in the Pistons game, and he’s gotten into a slump now. Doc’ll fix him, no prob.

by Wintersun on Jan 1, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Rajon

is simply my favourite player

by Juneauz on Jan 1, 2012 8:44 PM EST reply actions  

KayyyyyyyyGeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Welcome back, dawg! If this is your New Year’s resolution, then we’d be seeing more… hopefully!

by Rany on Jan 1, 2012 8:48 PM EST reply actions  

It's perfect for the Cs to have these easy games/wins now

They should help get them in the right groove. KG especially, about whom I think we can now breathe a little easier…. seems the old KG fire is not quite out yet. (And he’s just getting warmed up.)

So though these recent wins are against bad teams, they bode well for the future as this team gets it together.

by JR99 on Jan 1, 2012 8:53 PM EST reply actions  

C's took car of business tonight...

Glad to see KG play well.

I liked the way Rondo set the tempo on offense tonight and was happy once again to see J.O. be aggressive and a in the paint scoring presence tonight, which I hope he will continue to do the rest of the season.

Nice way to start out the year.

by fordescort on Jan 1, 2012 8:56 PM EST reply actions  

we may never lose again!

kidding but hopeful. I’ll keep saying it until we have the whole team healthy and in the flo(fingers crossed)

Bass, Pietrus, Dooling, Marquis..and now Steimsma/Wilcox…totally seriously, is the bench we have needed. Dooling, Pietrus, Ray PP and KG is going to look as good as the championship lineup. What Dooling is doing is normal for him. We are gonna look good playing the 4th q with guys like PP, KG, Rajon and Jo resting.(lineup of Wilcox/Steimsma, Bass, Marquis, Ray, Dooling is fine

by wahz on Jan 1, 2012 9:02 PM EST reply actions  

While I only saw the first half (damn work), Bradley played some pretty good defense on Wall for a few possessions and hit a nice jumper as the shot clock expired.

"Can't eat sushi in Utah, brother. Landlocked."

by IsItTheShoes on Jan 1, 2012 9:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Bradley makes me sad

He really does have a lot of potential, he has the talent and the drive to be an elite defender and he is really fast and athletic. Unfortunately he looks so scared when he has the ball on offense, doesn’t have a handle and is unable to use that speed. I heard he may be a decent midrange shooter but he doesn’t have a chance to show it, players stick to him because he can’t drive and finish. Hopefully his confidence will grow, and just maybe he can learn to attack the rim successfully.

by kg2128 on Jan 1, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm fearing he is similar to Gerald Green in both athleticism and any kind of court sense.

He just has very little feel for the game and seems clearly not ready for prime time. I too think he’d be much better off playing a whole season down in the D-League. Coach him up and let him get game experience. He’s just not ready for the big stage right now.

by Mencius on Jan 2, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

No one called Bradley our Ray Allen replacement

Can’t see why Dooling/Moore/Daniels (whoever the third guy is, I’m half blind) is useless as they’re all pretty good; Pavlovic can score from any position and plays some of the best D in the league.

Whoever made that pic and posted it is useless.

by Wintersun on Jan 1, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Love the ice cube reference.

by jurrasicearl on Jan 1, 2012 9:09 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Today was a good day indeed!

"Can't eat sushi in Utah, brother. Landlocked."

by IsItTheShoes on Jan 1, 2012 9:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Good game

Another good win, we had good energy tonight. All the starters played well, I’m not surprised.

We gotta have killer instinct and squash these guys tomorrow. It could set a tone and get our starters some rest for when we play better teams.

by p-peazy on Jan 1, 2012 9:41 PM EST reply actions  

Got nothing else to say, so I'll just add...

it’s “pedal”, not “peddle” (unless the end of the bench players are selling hot dogs in the stands during the game).

by spinetingler on Jan 1, 2012 9:48 PM EST reply actions  

These are good wins.

Hopefully these victories give us momentum when we battle the tougher teams ahead!

by LarryBird33 on Jan 1, 2012 9:51 PM EST reply actions  

Good game

Anyone else see that five step shuffle by McGee after Ray hit his 2nd three? And the refs had a tendency to wait and see if Wash. shots fell before calling a foul. Longer, and more pronounced than usual.

And I hope this hockey line change strategy pays off for chemistry by mid season for the Cs. Having all bench players in rather than subbing a couple in here and there has been kind of brutal. Thoughts?

by Ergoat on Jan 1, 2012 9:55 PM EST reply actions  

everyone is hammering Daniels

he’s not a great shooter but he’s the kind of player who does the little things. plays good D and he’s a good passer

by mc34 on Jan 1, 2012 9:55 PM EST reply actions  

It's good to have Daniels on the team for sure

He’s seems like a nice dude, and he’s just had a rusty start like everyone else. He’s not that far removed from that surgery- he needs to be given more of a chance to recover anyway, especially considering the way he’s been faithful to the Celtics.

by garz on Jan 1, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I like it better when he is cutting or around the basket

Then his good passing comes out. He’s been spotting up a little too much, and his d hasn’t been as good. Of course he had surgery before so we should cut him some slack. Also he should become our 3rd wingplayer when Pietrus joins the Celtics.

by kg2128 on Jan 1, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree, and surprised by the flack he's gotten from fans here so far this season

The dude had a nearly career ending injury. He’s proven hmself in this league, used to be a 15-20 ppg game scorer with Indy. He is uncanny at getting into the paint for short jumpers. Give him a little time and I expect he will be fine.

by Surferdad on Jan 1, 2012 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

The fans this year have seemed .... extra impatient. Quick to trash our players on small samples.

But given the lockout, its not surprising that many fans are not too tolerant. Folks just see a few missed shots and naturally react to that.

I personally think Daniels is going to be fine. He’s already shown he’s still got those sneaky moves to get under the basket and while he’s never been a great shooter, he’ll eventually shoot better than he has. And of course, he’s an excellent defender.

NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.

by mmmmm on Jan 2, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

a win is a win is awin… itis also good that the subs get to play. yes , the subs like daniels, bradley might not shine but they are getting experience and giving the geezers some rest. some very critical people here, let’s be patient and let this team evolve. the game aganist the pistons—19 for 19 shooting free throws- that’s what i would like to see more of.

by nazzbo on Jan 1, 2012 10:03 PM EST reply actions  

Where are all the “fans” that wanted to trade Ray last year and Rondo this year??? Great game Celtics!

by Blackberry33 on Jan 1, 2012 10:16 PM EST reply actions  

Why are people hammering bradley after this game? He was OK. And who here thinks dickerson was more hungover than “sick”?

by jurrasicearl on Jan 1, 2012 10:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

It's been a long hangover then

Because I think he was sick Friday as well. I happen to like Greg (much better than Gary and Donny) and hope he gets back soon!

by 34green on Jan 2, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Dooling is a good scorer off the bench, but...

He’s still NOT a pointguard! The reason why our bench keep losing leads is because we don’t have a true backup pointguard..

by Rany on Jan 1, 2012 10:35 PM EST reply actions  

Iverson is even less a true point guard

And a potential chemistry destroyer. I’m very grateful Ainge didn’t go looking for him.

by kg2128 on Jan 1, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I was just considering the fact that he named the Celts

as where he wanted to go, and the guy was a league MVP, also you would think at 36 finally matured a bit

by gocanes1 on Jan 1, 2012 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah. Dooling just isn't Rajon Rondo.

He’s a perfectly adequate, average NBA point guard.

If you break down his splits (he’s played a lot of minutes at both SG and PG) he’s not really bad at PG at all. He’s just not great. He’s pretty average in terms of assist generation, ball handling, passing.

The problem is that we Celtics fans have come to expect a PG to be like Rondo and he is simply other-worldly when it comes to those three things.

NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.

by mmmmm on Jan 2, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Dooling can pull off being a PG in this system.

The important thing is that he meshes with his bench teammates and that he does not commit turnovers.

Just so he plays his own game. He doesn’t have to be flashy like Rondo. Similar to how MN now has a complementary tandem with flashy Rubio and capable Luke Ridenour.

"I don’t think in the past. I don’t think in the future. You grasp the moment." -KG

by SotaPop on Jan 2, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Indeed!!

And of course a Dallas loss…if only the Heats lost too, this would’ve been the best new years ever! At least the Patriots have secured home-field advantage for the NFL playoffs!!

by SparzWizard on Jan 2, 2012 4:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Corrections to the box score

- Stiemsma had 4 blocks, not 3. That foul they called when he blocked Wall from the back was totally bogus, as he hit nothing but ball and hand.

- Rondo had only 1 TO, not 3, because the first one was more JO’s fault for being so brain-dead about getting in position, and the second one was not a turnover but a foul (when he was pushed into the upright driving to the hoop).

Quick note about Bradley. He looks like the best 1-on-1 defender on this team, height aside. Yeah, he’s got a lot to learn about running an offense, but he’s awesome on the other end, and that should come in handy at some points this season.

by JR99 on Jan 1, 2012 11:20 PM EST reply actions  

On a side note...

Did anyone see that shot JJJ took in garbage time?
That was terrible!!

by StarzNBarz on Jan 2, 2012 2:11 AM EST reply actions  

Just saw the game

Good game by the c’s. This also was probably the best officiated celtic game so far. great to see kg looking alive out there. I thought moore was getting bradleys minutes? JJ is killing me. I know he has skills but its sad when he is out there. The kid seems so nervous. Anyone else notice that ALL of boston rookies over the past few year seem to all be timid? When I watch other teams play, no matter if they had a high or a low pick, when their rookies play, they seem to contribute and simply play. Ours on the other hand look like nervous wrecks.

by Kgwillkillyou on Jan 2, 2012 2:58 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

About our rookies, and other things

Yes, KGwill…, our rookies do play like they are terrified of making mistakes. (Except Stiemmsma). That may not just be on Doc, just the whole Celtic thing. But none of our failed young guys have gone on to stardom elsewhere either. Billups the notable exception but that was during the Evil Empire’s reign.

About Bradley, I would remember Billups. I wouldn’t give up on him yet. He is only 20. You could see the fear-of-missing in his first half dozen shots. Good to see him swish one yesterday. He does have above average speed and does have an eager attitude (not Gerald Green).

JJ is certainly better than he looks so far. I am a believer that KG looks bad now (up to last night) because he NEEDS training camp more than others to get his ferocious parts moving symmetrically (as opposed to Ray who wakes up in perfect symmetry, and Pierce who is just a ball-er, anytime, anyplace). JJ is a rookie who looks like he needs every day and drill of a preseason. So patience required there.

Right now, Bass is better than the guy we traded him for, nobody expected Daniels to be back, and Stiemmsma is way better than anyone thought. That’s a pretty good plus side. Dooling has looked OK but D West would be better . Can’t tell on that one until the season is over and we see who suited up more times. i was pro-Pavlovic but he has looked like a waste of minutes.

by Wildblu1 on Jan 2, 2012 8:17 AM EST reply actions  

"Except Stiemsma"

Keep in mind that Stiemsma played 4 years at Wisconsin, graduating in 2008 and since then has three years of professional ball both internationally (korea, Turkey) and in the D-league. He’s 26 years old.

So he’s likely to be a little less nervous than say, still-barely-21 year old Avery Bradley or fresh-from-college Moore & Johnson.

It’s still very early. I’m not too worried about any of the youngsters.

NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.

by mmmmm on Jan 2, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

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