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Chicago Bulls at Boston Celtics, Jan 13, 2012 8:00 PM EST


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Chicago Bulls (10-2) at Boston Celtics (4-5)
Friday, January 13
8:00 PM ET
Game #10, Home Game #6
TV: ESPN, CSN-C, CSNNE, NBAC
Radio: WEEI, WMVP
TD Garden
Referees: Jason Phillips, Brian Forte, Leon Wood

Game Thread l Chat


The Celtics will welcome a couple of familiar faces when the Bulls come to visit the Garden. Tom Thibodeau, who was credited with the defense that

led the Celtics to their 17th championship is now in his second season as the head coach of the Bulls. Brian Scalabrine, who was a fan favorite in Boston for 5 seasons, has returned for his second season in Chicago.

This is the first of 4 meetings between these two teams this season. Last season they split the series 2-2, with each team winning on their home court. The Celtics are 10-8 against the Bulls since the 2006-07 season. Ray Allen led the Celtics with 16.6 ppg against the Bulls last season while Derrick Rose led the Bulls with 26.0 points and 6.8 assists per game.

Both teams have been dealing with injuries but at 10-2, the Bulls are obviously dealing much better than the Celtics. Derrick Rose missed the Bulls' last game, a win against the Wizards but is expected to give it a try in this game. Jermaine O'Neal and Keyon Dooling missed the Celtics last practice and are questionable for this game.

The Celtics dropped below .500 with their loss to the Mavericks and have lost their last 2 games after winning 4 in a row. Their 4 wins were all against the bottom teams in the league and they have yet to beat a team at or above .500. A win in this game could go a long way toward quieting the doubts of the fans who are very close to panicking.

Star-divide

Probable Starters

PG: Rajon Rondo..................................................SG Ray Allen

C: Jermaine O'Neal

SF: Paul Pierce ................................. ............PF Kevin Garnett

Coach: Doc Rivers

Boston Reserves

Keyon Dooling

Greg Siemsma

E'Twaun Moore

Injured

Marquis Daniels (illness) questionable

Keyon Dooling (knee) questionable

Jermaine O'Neal (knee) probable

Sasha Pavlovic (wrist) questionable

Probable Starters

PG: Derrick Rose............................................. SG: Ronnie Brewer

SF: Luol Deng .................................................. PF: Carlos Boozer

Coach: Tom Thibodeau

Bulls Bench

Injuries

Rip Hamilton (groin) day to day

Derrick Rose (toe) day to day

CJ Watson (elbow) day to day

Key Matchups

vs

Rajon Rondo 15.8 PPG, 10.1 APG, 4.9 RPG 1.9 SPG

Derrick Rose 20.7 PPG, 8.6 APG, 3.4 RPG 0.8 SPG

This is one of the premier point guard matchups in the league. There is a lot of discussion about whether Rondo or Rose is the better PG and in a head to head matchup, expect both players to do their best to make their case as the best. Rose missed the Bulls' last game with a toe injury but is expected to play in this one if at all possible.

vs

Jermaine O'Neal 5.4 PPG, 4.3 RPG, 1.6 BPG 47.7% FG%

Joakim Noah 7.1 PPG, 7.5 RPG, 1.0 BPG 39.7% FG%

Both of these centers have been struggling somewhat. In the last game vs the Mavs Jermaine had just 2 points and 3 rebounds in 22 minutes. In his last 5 games, Noah has been averaging just 4.2 points on 30.4% shooting. If one of these centers has a big game it could go a long ways toward helping his team get a win.


Honorable Mention

Paul Pierce vs Luol Deng

Paul Pierce has been struggling in recent games and the Celtics need him to get back on track. Deng has always defended Pierce well and if that continues in this game, Pierce could be in for another long night.

Keys to the Game

Rondo/Rose Matchup - This is not only a key matchup, but one of the keys to the game. Both point guards control the tempo of their team and both are key to their team's success. If Rose's toe injury keeps him out, expect John Lucas III to get his second straight start. This would make it easier on Rondo, but would still not be easy as Lucas scored 25 points against Detroit in his first career start.

Limit turnovers - The Celtics have been turning the ball over way too much. They have been making sloppy passes and not taking care of the ball when dribbling. They must take better cae of the ball.


Rebound
- The Celtics have to rebound the ball. They were out-rebounded 47-36 by the Pacers and 43-35 by the Mavericks. The Mavs were 17-0 in second chance points and the Celtics pulled down just 2 offensive rebounds the entire game. The Celtics have to do a better job of boxing out and grabbing the rebounds. Much of rebounding is desire and the Celtics just haven't been showing that they want it more than their opponents.

Play 48 Minutes - The Celtics have been starting out very sluggish! They dig themselves a hole in every game and then have to come back from a deficit which takes a lot out of them. They must start strong and not let up until the final buzzer. Playing in spurts just isn't cutting it.

Official Report

Jason Phillips

Phillips has been in the league for 9 years. He has officiated 400+ regular season games. Before landing in the NBA he worked for the CBA 6 seasons, the WNBA 3 seasons, 2 years in the Dallas Pro-Am, and 5 seasons in high school level in Texas. The Celtics are 5-5 over their last 10 games with Phillips as a ref. It was Phillips and crew that got Tommy to swear on the air about the refs falling for all the blank blank flops. Chicago is 7-3 with Phillips over their last 10. His home W/L record this season is 7-1

Brian Forte

This is Forte's 4th year in the league. He spent several years as a college ref before coming to the NBA. Forte was the object of Tommy's wrath in the classic rant that follows (the T was later rescinded). The officiating in that game was bad both ways. The Celtics are 8-2 over their last 10 games with Forte as a ref. The Sixers are 6-4 over their last 10 games with Forte. His home W/L record this season is 4-4.

Leon Wood

Osie Leon Wood, III has officiated 600+ regular season games and 6 play-off games.

Prior to becoming an NBA referee, Wood was a shooting guard in the NBA. He was chosen 10th overall by the Philadelphia 76ers in the 1st round of the 1984 draft. During his career, he played for the 76ers, Bullets, Nets, Spurs, Hawks and Kings. He played in 274 games in his career and won a gold medal as a member of the 1984 US Olympic basketball team. When not officiating, Wood helps train younger officials. You would think that being a former player, Wood would try to be fair but he has been a mediocre ref at best. The Celtics are 9-1 over their last 10 games with Wood officiating. The Bulls are 5-5 over their last 10 games called by Wood. His home W/L record this season is 5-3.

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I hope you’re not trying to say we’re ‘toast’ in this game :)

by slamtheking on Jan 13, 2012 3:29 PM EST reply actions  

C's win

No rationale for this prediction, just have a feeling

by Derekg49 on Jan 13, 2012 4:14 PM EST reply actions  

Call me crazy

But I still believe in the C’s. All you fairweather fans please dont bother watching. Just show up in a year or two again if we pull off another blockbuster deal cos im really tired of you guys bagging on the players. If you want you can just root for Chitown or Miami this season. Thanks.

by The green mamba on Jan 13, 2012 4:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions   2 recs

Chicago fan here. I have a question.

First, a quick correction. Lucas scored 25 points against Washington, not Detroit.

Second, why isn’t Greg Stiemsma playing more? Looking at his stats, it seems like he deserves more time. Does Doc just not believe in playing rookies? Is there a secret flaw to his game that doesn’t show up in the stats? Really, what do the Celtics have to lose by playing him? At worst, he sucks and goes back to the bench. At best, he keeps it up and your prayers are answered. Why not try it?

by Tim S. on Jan 13, 2012 5:33 PM EST reply actions  

’A win will quiet the doubts"? There is always calm in the eye of the storm; it doesnt mean the storm has is gone. A win will not mean the boys are young again and that age is no longer a factor. Reality is reality.

by Dantenina on Jan 13, 2012 5:36 PM EST reply actions  

Finally a win against a good team tonight???

No matter the reasons for the Celtics terrible start to the season one thing is clear -

The Boston Celtics need to start playing consistent basketball on both ends. The offense cannot afford to be inept for quarters and the defense needs to be more aggressive in preventing 2nd chance points.

At some point during this season the Celtics need to start beating teams other than the worst in the league. Tonight is the perfect time to start….

From Doc Rivers 1/6/12 --- "Listen, we’re a 4-4 basketball team. That’s what we are," said Rivers. "You are what your record is; Don’t make no mistake about that. I mean, one of the guys said, ‘Hey, that’s alright, we’re better than that.’ And I said, ‘No we’re not. You’re what your record says you are. And you always have the ability to do something about that.

by warnerjohn on Jan 13, 2012 5:42 PM EST reply actions  

i don't think there's much of a "debate" as to who is the better PG

good read though. good luck (not too much though) in the game tonight.

by grabmesomeBOOZ on Jan 13, 2012 5:44 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Let's go celts

Beat daaa bulls

by Mooose on Jan 13, 2012 6:51 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

looks like JO coming off the bench

with bass starting. lets see how this goes

by rm81 on Jan 13, 2012 8:04 PM EST reply actions  

the superior team wins

And thats the Bulls. I respect this teams dedication and their work ethic. What a job by Tom.

If we are able to somehow win this match, KG will have to be his old self..

"I’m going to probably fade to black,’’ he said. "To be honest, I’m not a showman guy. I’m going to fade to black. I don’t know what I will do. I’m an idealist. I have a high drive and I’m very determined. Fade to black, man, like evaporate.’’

by TheBigFive on Jan 13, 2012 8:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I dont even care about offense rebounds

anymore but shit secure those defensive rebounds.

"I’m going to probably fade to black,’’ he said. "To be honest, I’m not a showman guy. I’m going to fade to black. I don’t know what I will do. I’m an idealist. I have a high drive and I’m very determined. Fade to black, man, like evaporate.’’

by TheBigFive on Jan 13, 2012 8:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The simple truth:

We are missing makeable shots and they havent fallen obsiously. Once the Bulls d got tight, KG started shooting fadeaways against Noah whereas the Bulls are getting open looks time and time again. Oh yeah they are getting offensive rebs too.

"I’m going to probably fade to black,’’ he said. "To be honest, I’m not a showman guy. I’m going to fade to black. I don’t know what I will do. I’m an idealist. I have a high drive and I’m very determined. Fade to black, man, like evaporate.’’

by TheBigFive on Jan 13, 2012 8:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

missed ez shots couldnt get into any rhythm

now they are just purely sucking.

"I’m going to probably fade to black,’’ he said. "To be honest, I’m not a showman guy. I’m going to fade to black. I don’t know what I will do. I’m an idealist. I have a high drive and I’m very determined. Fade to black, man, like evaporate.’’

by TheBigFive on Jan 13, 2012 8:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Deja Vu!

Off to a very, very slow start again! No energy. No rebounds. Rondo is STILL walking the ball up and shaving 10-15 secs off the shot clock. We are still passing the ball around hoping to find a way to score! This is getting as old as this team is!

by Danyck on Jan 13, 2012 8:26 PM EST reply actions  

are we watching the same gamw

you honestly think Rondo us walking the ball up?

Thats gotta be the most ridiculous thing I have heard. No one is running with him. And no one can.

JVG speaks the truth again. They are just getting crashed on the boards.

"I’m going to probably fade to black,’’ he said. "To be honest, I’m not a showman guy. I’m going to fade to black. I don’t know what I will do. I’m an idealist. I have a high drive and I’m very determined. Fade to black, man, like evaporate.’’

by TheBigFive on Jan 13, 2012 8:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

rondos playing with energy

the c’s also just arent hitting open looks we’re used to seeing them make which is making these slow starts even more frustrating

by rm81 on Jan 13, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

KOd the moment the game started.

11pt opening quarter. And I thought 15 was bad.

by LarryBird33 on Jan 13, 2012 8:32 PM EST reply actions  

Just saved by 2 Rondo FTs from being an 11pt qtr.

by LarryBird33 on Jan 13, 2012 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Boston outrebounded... 6-17.

Down by 11 rebounds. And that is just the 1st QTR.

by LarryBird33 on Jan 13, 2012 8:36 PM EST reply actions  

hard to out rebound the other team

when you let them make all their shots and you cant hit any of yours

by rm81 on Jan 13, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

we got outrebounded on the offensive end

so that argument is out the window cuz if anything, we missed more shots than they certainly did.

"I’m going to probably fade to black,’’ he said. "To be honest, I’m not a showman guy. I’m going to fade to black. I don’t know what I will do. I’m an idealist. I have a high drive and I’m very determined. Fade to black, man, like evaporate.’’

by TheBigFive on Jan 13, 2012 8:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

its not an argument

we’re getting mauled. and its augmented because we cant make any shots and stop them from making them

by rm81 on Jan 13, 2012 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

At least try to get the defensive rebounds. That you can control.

Chicago already had 3 in the opening quarter. Bulls already shooting well. You let them get the offensive rebounds too.

Missing shots you really have no control.

by LarryBird33 on Jan 13, 2012 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Depressing

This is the worst I’ve seen this team play in years. No energy, no chemistry on offense, no rebounding.

by jv_squad on Jan 13, 2012 8:43 PM EST reply actions  

I honestly cant say the same

cuz this is pretty much what I expected.

"I’m going to probably fade to black,’’ he said. "To be honest, I’m not a showman guy. I’m going to fade to black. I don’t know what I will do. I’m an idealist. I have a high drive and I’m very determined. Fade to black, man, like evaporate.’’

by TheBigFive on Jan 13, 2012 8:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

This team is awful

I know it’s early in the season but they just look old and slow. They can’t score and they can’t defend. In years past, when they couldn’t score, the defense could keep them in games, but that ship has sailed. It’s time for DA to bow it up. I really hate to say tht but this reminds me of the 92/93 Celtics…

by tmarine17 on Jan 13, 2012 8:45 PM EST reply actions  

Wow

Our half court offense is horrible.

by Pietrus & Cream on Jan 13, 2012 8:48 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

they dont even boo anymore

cuz it does nothing to our team.

"I’m going to probably fade to black,’’ he said. "To be honest, I’m not a showman guy. I’m going to fade to black. I don’t know what I will do. I’m an idealist. I have a high drive and I’m very determined. Fade to black, man, like evaporate.’’

by TheBigFive on Jan 13, 2012 8:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

They should leave

Honestly, why support the team, buy tickets, buy merch, cheer till u lose ur voice if the players play so half hearted. Keep in mind, kg is making how many millions to not rebounding, to not stop anyone defensiely, and to not put the ball in the hoop

by Kgwillkillyou on Jan 13, 2012 8:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

+1

Was thinkin the same thing.

by Pietrus & Cream on Jan 13, 2012 8:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Havent watched yet

Its recording right now and I am on my way home. Thinking about just deleting it and not even watching it at all. Dont mean to be negative but this team of 4 all stars is getting to be a joke. They play with ZERO urgency, pride, killer instinct or care.

by Kgwillkillyou on Jan 13, 2012 8:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

as bad as ee

"I’m going to probably fade to black,’’ he said. "To be honest, I’m not a showman guy. I’m going to fade to black. I don’t know what I will do. I’m an idealist. I have a high drive and I’m very determined. Fade to black, man, like evaporate.’’

by TheBigFive on Jan 13, 2012 8:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

as bad as we r playing

the game is still somewhat within reach. Pretty amazing haha

"I’m going to probably fade to black,’’ he said. "To be honest, I’m not a showman guy. I’m going to fade to black. I don’t know what I will do. I’m an idealist. I have a high drive and I’m very determined. Fade to black, man, like evaporate.’’

by TheBigFive on Jan 13, 2012 9:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Btw

Our point guard has the most rebounds on our team.

by Kgwillkillyou on Jan 13, 2012 8:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

love listening to JVG

much better than Heinsohn imo. I cant stand one sided of his which is totally understandable.

"I’m going to probably fade to black,’’ he said. "To be honest, I’m not a showman guy. I’m going to fade to black. I don’t know what I will do. I’m an idealist. I have a high drive and I’m very determined. Fade to black, man, like evaporate.’’

by TheBigFive on Jan 13, 2012 9:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

usually i switch between the two when i have the chance

when we get screwed by the refs (aka the charge on rondo) i like to flip to tommy because know he’ll give me something good

by rm81 on Jan 13, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah that charge was a joke of a call

and JVG agreed. Anyways yeah I just dislike local broadcasting cuz of favoritism.

I thought the game was within reach (and it was) when we were down a dozen.. we were moving the ball well and defending but that lasted about three minutes.

"I’m going to probably fade to black,’’ he said. "To be honest, I’m not a showman guy. I’m going to fade to black. I don’t know what I will do. I’m an idealist. I have a high drive and I’m very determined. Fade to black, man, like evaporate.’’

by TheBigFive on Jan 13, 2012 9:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

they might not seem like it

but they definitely do. its a prideful group of guys i have no reason to think that they dont care

by rm81 on Jan 13, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

it was until the charge call

the bulls went on a huge run after that. the c’s shouldve done a better job of keeping their compusure… BUT im tired of refs getting defensive when they make an obvious bad call and give a quick T. rondo didnt even do that much afterwards he just said no a few times.

by rm81 on Jan 13, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah I agree

I understand that refs are human and they react but, so are the players.

It was just a reaction by Rondo which wasnt over the line by any means. Like JVG said, I hate how refs always give back. The second foul on Rose was a bad call and rightfully so. Then they decided to give one back which happened to be that charge on Rondo.

Their defnese seems to be affected by their bad shooting. Great defense isnt affected by it. Come on guys. I dont care if we end up losing, but show us some heart esp. on the boards.

"I’m going to probably fade to black,’’ he said. "To be honest, I’m not a showman guy. I’m going to fade to black. I don’t know what I will do. I’m an idealist. I have a high drive and I’m very determined. Fade to black, man, like evaporate.’’

by TheBigFive on Jan 13, 2012 9:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

ouch..

this unbelievable stretch is really frustrating..

by greenlion on Jan 13, 2012 9:20 PM EST reply actions  

Watching Toyota Halftime Show...

is painful! The C’s went from being an elite, respected team to a team that is at the bottom of the food chain – and everybody knows it, talks about it, and trash-talks.

by Danyck on Jan 13, 2012 9:21 PM EST reply actions  

who knows

I’m really hoping they come out in the second half with some intensity and get a good run in. They had a lot of open shots in the first half that just werent falling. I just don’t understand it

by 3gNVCsfan on Jan 13, 2012 9:27 PM EST reply actions  

this show is getting old

We come out flat, miss shots, make a second half run that comes up short…I’m not jumping ship yet but I’m walking the plank

by BorntobleedGreen on Jan 13, 2012 9:31 PM EST reply actions  

Anyone see any hustle?

Watching the game on espn game cast. Anybody see hustle in the live action? Are we too old and slow this season? Any positives on the hardwood?

by Badtoad on Jan 13, 2012 9:36 PM EST reply actions  

Keep up the good work over the last few possesions.

We’re not gonna win this game in a single minute. Take your time, C’s.

by Celtics own the refs on Jan 13, 2012 9:41 PM EST reply actions  

Did the math- @&-?:'*#<~'s

We only have to out score them by 10 pts each quarter, c’s win!

by Badtoad on Jan 13, 2012 9:44 PM EST reply actions  

No kidding.

I’m sure these bogus calls help the C’s momentum

by 3gNVCsfan on Jan 13, 2012 9:53 PM EST reply actions  

Wow

So you’re saying there’s a chance!

by tmarine17 on Jan 13, 2012 9:56 PM EST reply actions  

O'neal dunk

literally kicked my laptop off of my lap and into my face..fat lip central.

by 3gNVCsfan on Jan 13, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

me too. I was like alright KG…then WTF Oneal?

by cltc5 on Jan 13, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

How's the Garden?

I’m from the Philippines, so I can’t watch C’s games that often on tv.

by Celtics own the refs on Jan 13, 2012 9:56 PM EST reply actions  

There we go math equation half done.

C’s shave the lead to 8. Make up 9 more c’s win!

by Badtoad on Jan 13, 2012 9:58 PM EST reply actions  

WOW

WIthin 1…DANG! <3 Pietrus!

by cltc5 on Jan 13, 2012 10:03 PM EST reply actions  

PIETRUS FOR THREEE!

Glad we have him, or else it’d be Daniels in..

by Pietrus & Cream on Jan 13, 2012 10:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

9-6-3-done

9min we bring it close…6 minutes we fade…3 min..we bring it close…then se’re done…grrrrrr

by cltc5 on Jan 13, 2012 10:13 PM EST reply actions  

gotta respect their D

broke down for awhile but amazing how they gained back.

"I’m going to probably fade to black,’’ he said. "To be honest, I’m not a showman guy. I’m going to fade to black. I don’t know what I will do. I’m an idealist. I have a high drive and I’m very determined. Fade to black, man, like evaporate.’’

by TheBigFive on Jan 13, 2012 10:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

This is on doc.

He let Chicago get in arhytym. Put the heat on em when you have em downQ!

by cltc5 on Jan 13, 2012 10:15 PM EST reply actions  

oh yes its on doc

for having to climb back up from a 20 pt deficit. Runs were bound to happn, afterall, we are the home team.

Seriously get some sense inserted.

"I’m going to probably fade to black,’’ he said. "To be honest, I’m not a showman guy. I’m going to fade to black. I don’t know what I will do. I’m an idealist. I have a high drive and I’m very determined. Fade to black, man, like evaporate.’’

by TheBigFive on Jan 13, 2012 10:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

another good effort at least

close but no cigar again. Red is goin through withdraw

by cltc5 on Jan 13, 2012 10:28 PM EST reply actions  

That lil english by Rose

wow… Talk about a finisher..

"I’m going to probably fade to black,’’ he said. "To be honest, I’m not a showman guy. I’m going to fade to black. I don’t know what I will do. I’m an idealist. I have a high drive and I’m very determined. Fade to black, man, like evaporate.’’

by TheBigFive on Jan 13, 2012 10:29 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Will DA be released first?

Is DA on the verge of being replaced-if so who takes his place
And is Doc going to be released and if so who takes over
Something is not working- the rookies aren’t playing
No foresight about rebounding yet another season
Etc etc

by bbeingphilled on Jan 13, 2012 10:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I agree w/ Magic...

“things are only going to get worse…” The glory days are over!

by Danyck on Jan 13, 2012 10:37 PM EST reply actions  

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