Celtics Get Gronked By Pacers
by Jeff Clark on Jan 14, 2012 9:34 PM EST
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PrintSo, I turned on the game, left to get a drink and by the time I got back the Pats had already scored. Wait, this is a Celtics game recap? Well, lets see. Last night Ray played over 40 minutes, Pierce played 35, and the team had to travel to Indy and play tonight. What do you think happened?
- Pierce and KG actually scored 21 points each. So there's that.
- We got a longer look at E'Twaun Moore after he replaced Avery Bradley.
- That's about all the good news.
- Donny Marshall: "I tend to make excuses for Rondo because I expect so much from him, but he took the night off" (via @MrTrpleDouble10)
- Avery Bradley just tweeted "Fml" (which the kids will tell you means "fail my life")
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Not sure what to say. Pierce and Garnett had better games. We actually rebounded and lots of offensive rebounds and we still lose badly.
maybe we need time for the player to tcometogether
need more chemistry that’s all not infu trust in the player wanna force the big 4 to run the show
good game for moore
nice blocks steamroller kg had a decent game ray some wat and pierce was ok just couldnt put it together
nothing to do but see where this goes
we have to play better than this; it’s hard to imagine we will be this bad all year. And if we are then at least we get a good draft pick.
we wont be significantly better
the team chemistry will get better from the new comers getting adjusted, but that will be the only postive. Playing so many games in less days will take a bigger toll on our core. We are at best 5th seed in the East.
"I’m going to probably fade to black,’’ he said. "To be honest, I’m not a showman guy. I’m going to fade to black. I don’t know what I will do. I’m an idealist. I have a high drive and I’m very determined. Fade to black, man, like evaporate.’’
by TheBigFive on Jan 14, 2012 10:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I would be very happy with the 5th seed
And I find it hard to believe I just said that.
+1
Even with Green out the bench is better than last year and the big 4 are so familiar with each other and Doc’s system, I thought the Celtics could go as high as 3rd seed maybe 4th if they slack off, but now 5th seed is looking tough. Also the Celtics are not the only team building chemistry on the fly, so in theory all teams will get better in that regard. Let’s just hope the Celtics hang around and then flip that switch like 2010.
No big deal just another loss
The worst part about the current state of these Celtics is that they aren’t even expected to win anymore.
Losing tonight seemed to be a foregone conclusion and doesn’t even cause much uproar. Somehow other teams manage to play well on back to back nights but that is too much to ask for this veteran group.
At this point it doesn’t matter if it’s a back to back, a game after 1 day off or 4 days off – this team is horrific. Celtics fans now hope for a miracle to pull out a victory against good teams instead of expecting one.
At least the Celtics reversed their trend of not scoring early in games but scoring 48 first half points but it didn’t matter since they gave up 56. Boston then scored a putrid 19 in the 3rd quarter and the game was over.
A team with Hall of Fame caliber offensive players and it’s now tough for them to break 80 points. Sad to watch this once dominant team turn into one that other teams look at as an easy win.
Absolutely pathetic….
From Doc Rivers 1/6/12 --- "Listen, we’re a 4-4 basketball team. That’s what we are," said Rivers. "You are what your record is; Don’t make no mistake about that. I mean, one of the guys said, ‘Hey, that’s alright, we’re better than that.’ And I said, ‘No we’re not. You’re what your record says you are. And you always have the ability to do something about that.
its incredible that we were nearly as good as Mia in the playoffs. Without injuries(Rondo JO)
we were right there.
These guys all got old in 7 months. And Bass really is better then Baby..
It still feels like some of this is awful rotations and minutes from Doc, and poor efforts.
Maybe at 4-7 an effort will be made
Yeah, I can hear all the explanations and really still not get it
How exactly did we get this old and this pathetic in 7 months??? Doesn’t make any sense to me.
some of it is poor habits and specific limitations finally coming back to bite these guys. They have had these weaknesses all along
1. The power forward acts like he hates contact and rarely leaves the earth these days, and he is an important part of everything.He takes nights off on offense, and has awful fundamentals on baseline d.
2. They have no idea how to block out
3. The point guard can’t make freebies and won’t do an in the flow jumper. He does some jumpers when we are in half court and the defender moves off him, not the ideal time. He takes entire nights off.
4 The shooting guard can’t stop penetration, or create his own shot
this is all killing them now when they used to overcome it
But why?
When, as you say, they’ve had these weaknesses all along is it coming back to bite them now? Why can’t they overcome it anymore?
I swear their collective effort is worse
and KG and PP because of injuries and or age have been way worse period
I am.
Oh and just in case any of you guys are voting for the All-Stars… I beg of you, please DON’T vote our big 3 vets! Let’s just make ’em rest & recuperate.
In terms of this seasons performance, Rondo is deserving...
but it’s a fan voting so it doesn’t really matter how good or bad you play…
Don't worry
They play three crap teams after they lose Monday night, so they have a chance to be 7-8. How many wins can they get against crap teams this year?
i actually would worry
bec the way we are playing..we are just as bad as the crap teams. Hence, any of the crap teams can best us if we bring the same effort each game. Right now, i feel its only the Wizards we can beat.
Im starting to feel that we are headed to lottery land but without much of a chance at no. 1 pick.
by bopna on Jan 14, 2012 9:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You never know it could be the reverse of 2010
Where they only got up for the big games. Maybe this year they will atleast be good at beating up on crappy teams since they can’t seem to beat anyone over .500.
I'm expecting big changes in the roster come trade deadline.
Remember, the Sonics won 62 games in 1998, but didn’t make the playoffs in lockout 1999. Looking like we’ve become this lockout’s Sonics.
this...sad but true.
we have fallen off just as quick as we rose from the ashes in 08
by bopna on Jan 14, 2012 9:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Where is the too much rest after a 4 day break excuse? Or the one day off is a weird amount of rest excuse?
Yeah I don’t hear other teams using that excuse. And even more amazing is some teams actually WIN on back to back nights
From Doc Rivers 1/6/12 --- "Listen, we’re a 4-4 basketball team. That’s what we are," said Rivers. "You are what your record is; Don’t make no mistake about that. I mean, one of the guys said, ‘Hey, that’s alright, we’re better than that.’ And I said, ‘No we’re not. You’re what your record says you are. And you always have the ability to do something about that.
those are the elite ones...
sadly the C’s aren’t elite anymore
by bopna on Jan 14, 2012 9:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Forgot to mention. Nice of Rondo to take tonight off
I guess since it is his team now he will get to call in sick a Little more often
Another frustarting loss...
The C’s are just not playing well or consistently.
Pierce and KG played well along with Bass but no one else really contributed.
The C’s have small room for error and need just about everybody to play well, not just a few players if they want to compete in games.
Not that the loss was all J.O. s fault but his play so far this season has been very erratic and is concerning since the C’s need to get more of a contribution from there starting center then JO has been giving the C’s for the most part so far this season.
I really think Doc should really contemplate starting the Steamer to shake things up, give the kid a shot and to also allow J.O. to have some more favorable match ups against 2nd tier centers.
I was glad to see Moore get minutes tonight and hope the trend continues especially if Dooling is out long term.
how would they 'blow it up'?
trade KG or RAY or PAUL or all three?
Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk
All three
and also Rondo. He has neither the skill set nor the personality to re-build around.
"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark
Rondo the magicman
Vanished again, PP again turned the ball over and KG now needs to rest.
Didnt watch, dont care
Never thought I would say it but blow the team up
by Kgwillkillyou on Jan 14, 2012 10:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Let's hope they go to the lottery
They are not gonna win this year (even if there is room for improvement), so it’s the best thing that could happen.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the Clippers 2012 pick that the C’s have is top 10 protected. The Clippers are not gonna be a lottery team this year, so it means a ~20th pick from them right? This pick + lottery pick from the C’s would be great.
And yes, it means “blowing it up” at some point. Anyway, the big 3 is probably gonna sustain injuries. So injuries + dealing RA for anything = blowing it up and = lottery.
But don’t get me wrong. Lottery is GREAT. I prefer this team to be a lottery team than to be one of those midde of the pack teams that have no chance of winning it all and that are stucked with a “good but not great” roster.
Hahahahaha
Anyone still thinking Danny Ainge is a competent general manager? He’s the piece that doesn’t fit right now. He set the team up for this and now he just sits there like the kid who knows he’s guilty of something with that “What happened? I don’t know how this broke. It wasn’t me!” look on his face. I can’t watch the Celtics and haven’t been able to since Fec. 24th 2011. That is the last game I watched (though I can say my job in baseball prevented me from watching most). I just get a sick feeling in my stomach when I watch and think what could have been. It’s OVER. Anyone clinging to this fiery inferno of disaster need jump off now. Not because we DON’T care about the Celtics, but because we DO!
100%
My laughter is not real laughter so you know. I HATE the way it’s going and I wish I were wrong! I DO! But right now I don’t know what else to do.
by chicagomaroon on Jan 14, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
You make it sound like Ainge is Otis Smith or something.
This team is not swimming in a sea of long bloated contracts. This team is already set to reset itself next season. There is no need for you to do anything, not that you can. Ainge was hoping the team could compete for 1 more ring this year, right now that isn’t working out. However, he did not put all his eggs in that basket. This team will be all Rondo’s next year or whoever Ainge can trade for/sign.
I think
Ainge has done a good job overall.
He rebuilt the C’s with the goal to win a title or 2.
His Celtic team won a title 2008 ending a 20+ year Celtic title drought.
His Celtic team may have won another title in 2009 (when the core was still young) if KG did not get hurt.
His Celtic team almost won a title in 2010 when the C’s lost game 7 of the finals in the last few seconds of the game.
In 2011 Ainge I think built won of the most deepest and talented Celtic teams in history last year that had probably a good shot at another title also , if it was not for all those injuries they suffered (epsecially to Shaq ) and arguably the chemistry issue of the team after losing Perk.
Coming into this 2012 season I think Ainge and many fans (me too) when he built this core was not expecting it to compete for a title, due to its advanced age.
I think Ainge and many fans were hoping for the best but were possibly bracing themselves for a possible rough year, so I do not think this rough start so far should not and probably is not a a big shock for Ainge and many fans.
Also I think (and Ainge deserves praise here) Ainge has also done a good job with the books and the C’s contracts of the big 3 to this years miscellaneous roster players (who have for the most part 1 year deals) where we will see most of these players contracts come off the books next summer to allow the C’s financial flexibility to try to rebuild the club.
Again I think considering Ainge built a great team , won his goal of winning a title, almost won a couple of other titles and setup the C’s financially to have a good chance at rebuilding sooner rather then later, he has done a very decent job running the C’s over the past years.
Just me 2 cents though.
Sometimes I don't quite know what to think about Danny
But these are all very good points.
I contend there are some really good points here, and also some half truths and falacies
Danny deserves ALL the credit for bringing this group together. But by the same token, Danny deserves ALL the blame for breaking it up.
Fordescort, you are absolutely right he assembled one of the best teams in Celtics history, and on paper, one of the best and deepest teams in the history of the league. But then inexplicably at mid-season he traded 5 PLAYERS (COUNT THEM, 5! THAT’S 1/3 OF A ROSTER) despite owning the second-best record by one game, the pick of most experts as their projected champion and with the ENTIRE locker room being against it. If you make a trade that every single player in the locker room is against, you’re not a competent GM.
With or without Marquis Daniels, I STILL don’t believe the Heat could beat us in a 7-game series! We had an advantage that they couldn’t contend with: interior defense and rebounding (from the center position, which they lacked). After the trade we plummeted to the bottom of the league in rebounding (we were a little below average before the trade) and our PPG and opp. FG % skyrocketed! But you didn’t need to crunch the stats to know the Celts weren’t the same, you could see it.
As for the need to have a player to defend Lebron James off the bench when Paul was out, I don’t disagree. We DID need that! But not more than negating our only advantages against the Heat (the C position and experience). But we need to look no further than Danny Ainge himself for why we didn’t have such a player already on the roster.
1. Danny refused to pay Tony Allen a 3rd year at $3.1 mil! THAT’S IT! $3.1 mil! He was willing to pay 2 years at that price! What happened? Tony walked, became a stalwart for the Grizz and finished 4th in the DPOY award race!
2. Danny drafted a project at point guard (his listed position in the draft and pos. he played in college) in Avery Bradley, a position he already had a wealth of talent at while ignoring such players as Damion James (who addressed the team’s biggest needs of a backup wing defender and rebounding…for which James is know after setting the Big-12 all-time rebounding record as a SMALL FORWARD! So even if he’s a complete bust, at least you know he’ll still rebound!) who was taken 5 picks later and is currently NJ’s starting SF, sporting an Efficiency rating FOUR TIMES that of Bradley. The book is far from closed on Bradley, but the point is if you’re a team that has a REALLY GOOD shot at the title, draft like it. Instead Danny drafted to save his job long-term.
3. When Danny executed the trades on Feb. 24, he created a feeling within the NBA community that he didn’t know what he was doing. Analysts, players former and current and fans alike (who weren’t unabashed optimists) saw what awful return he got on his trades (trading 2 second rounders in the last 3 drafts in Erden and Harangody for ONE second rounder?) and how it would irreparably harm the future of the Celtics. Therefore, players who were bought out and this off-season in FA specifically chose not to sign with us. I know money was an issue for some of the players I was talking about in FA, but buyouts almost never are since they are already being paid and want to latch on to a contender. His trades seemed like he was gutting a roster of a team that was 41-14 for no rhyme or reason. Just as if he’d seen enough…winning I guess. Some of the trades were to cash in on the spectacular group of buyouts there were going to be available. You know, the Carlos Arroyo’s, Sasha Pavlovic’s and Troy Murphy’s of the league. Granted he couldn’t have known there wouldn’t be that many game-changers out there, but there were better players out there than listed above. All of which wanted to play for TRUE contenders. And so they did. The negative energy of the trade that I mentioned above deterred them from signing with us.
And as for our money situation, yes, we are in great financial shape for the next few years. But that means absolutely nothing if you’re not winning in sports. And the only reason this team is in that situation is Danny Ainge. Danny Ainge chasing the pipe dream that is Dwight Howard. Danny Ainge chasing the pipe dream that is Chris Paul. Danny Ainge not realizing he gutted a contender during their stretch run and not listening to the advice of four HOF’s in the locker room and not realizing that he ALREADY HAD guys in those positions who had proven they could get it done and WANTED to be in Boston. Dwight Howard and Chris Paul DID NOT want to play in Boston. To play with who!? Rondo (for Howard) and Jeff Green (IF he comes back) and late 30 somethings Big 3? No! They want to go to a contender with players their AGE and with a REAL championship window for more than one or two years.
So yes, Danny saved the team money in the next couple of years for whatever we plan to do then (maybe be like one of the 10-15 teams that gutted rosters for cap room because THEY were going to get Lebron or one of the other two or three TRUE max FA’s in 2010). But he also cost us our championship window and a realistic shot at a championship. We’re not a contender, we’re not a youth movement, he put us in that dangerous third direction of no plan, no direction, straddling the line. And as he himself said in an interview a few months after the trade, he does deserve ALL the credit if it works, and ALL the blame if it doesn’t. Draw your own conclusions.
by chicagomaroon on Jan 15, 2012 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
Your points
above seem to critique Ainge for not doing a “better” job of running the Celics and for not giving them a “better” shot at winning titles over the past 5 years, which could be true since no body is perfect including Ainge.
But though Ainge could of done a better job over the years of running the C’s I think it does not mean he did not do a good job looking at the big picture and his work in totality over these past 5 years at least in my opinion.
I have my complaints with Ainge also over the years and am not saying he is perfect, for example:
Ainge never got a backup center to replace PG Brown in 09 and it cost the C’s alot that year,
I think Ainge made a mistake for not resigning Posey ,
I think Ainge made a mistake not resigning TA
Like I mentioned above arguably Ainge trading Perk may have hurt the C’s chemistry last year and there title run (along with the fact Shaq was injured also).
(Though I understood Ainges financial reasons for trading him and do like Green alot)
There may also be some other beefs I have with Ainge , but I think I am being picky and the critique points I make above about Ainge above and your points above still do not change the fact as I stated previously,
Ainge built a great team with a decent window of championship contention and a goal to win 1 or 2 titles.
He met his goal of winning a title in 08 which ended the C’s 20+ year title drought,
May had one a title in 09 if KG was not injured,
Almost won a title in 10 if Perk and Rasheed were not injured in game 7 of the finals,
May had won a title in 11 when he assembled (be it a old) one of the deepest and talented teams in Celtiic history if he did not trade Perk and Shaq did not get hurt,
And has setup the C’s financially this offseason to have a good chance at rebuilding the team sooner rather then later.
I think alot of teams and fans would of loved to had a run that C’s had the past 5 years and to be in the finical position the C’s will be after this season which will allow them the chance to try to rebuild ASAP, so for these reasons I think Ainge has done a decent job of running the C’s over the past 5 years.
Again just my 2 cents though.
They tried hard tonight
Boxing out/rebounding was noticeably better. Shooting still off, but that can be expected to improve.
The really sad part is that this team is just too slow. Too slow on defense, too slow on offense… most of the time. They just can’t keep up with a young, athletic team.
So no matter how hard they try, it’s seems likelier by the day that they just can’t be elite anymore. That the window is closed. And you can tell from the way everyone acts when they lose now — from the announcers to the coaches and players — that losing is becoming the accepted norm for this team. When that happens, the fat lady has sung.
If this is how this season goes, I expect KG to retire at the end of it, and probably Paul too. (JO too, for what it’s worth.)
Miami vs Denver
If one wants to know why the Celtics are not winning, then one should watch a replay of last night’s Miam- Denver game. The hand and foot speed of those two teams was awe inspiring. Except for Rondo, the Celtics are moving in slow motion.. The Celtics can only maintain short surges of energy before they become fatigued, and even during their surges they still are unable to get to 50/50 balls or most rebounds. This trend has occurred over the last three years, however it has become even more pronounced this year. The trend is not going to be reversed without the infusion of youth with talent on this team. Ainge knew this day was coming when he traded for two aging stars to join the only aging star he had already. Its going to be a long year! However, we did get to see banner 17 get raised to the rafters. It was worth the price just to defeat the Lakers one more time.
we cannot run with those teams
time to get a new coach that will play the kids
What???
Why on earth would we get a new coach?!
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by jakeshuttlesworth on Jan 15, 2012 10:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Patriots can score...
more than C’s can score at halftime! Sad, but true!
by Danyck on Jan 14, 2012 11:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not ready to give up,
BUT, some tweaks to the roster would be nice. Insert Stiemsma into the starting lineup, trade Bradley and Wilcox plus a second round pick ( clevelands ) to the Denver nuggets for Kosta Koufas and Rudy Fernandez, can’t happen till March 1 I think. Cut Sasha, dooling and Daniels. Sign Elijah Milsap from the LA Defenders, sign David Lighty from overseas. Acquire Josh Harrelson from the Knicks for a second plus cash. Send JO to anyone for a second. Our lineup on march 1 would be Rondo, Allen, Pierce,Garnett and Koufas. Bench would be Stiesma, Harrelson, Bass, Pietrus, Fernandez, Lighty, Milsap, JJJ, E’Moore. Wait for trade deadline to see who gets waived.
Our roster for next year would pretty good, young, athletic and affordable, with plenty of cap space going forward.
i stopped watching the game
after seeing old KG still rebounding with one hand and then blocked by Hibbert when he tried to go to the rim.
Not really surprising.
4 days off between games, complete line up, well rested, playing at home, opponent playing the 2nd game of a back to back, playing w/o the opponent’s starting point guard ….those couldn’t even get it done. So what is there to expect from a tail end of a back to back, fatigue from the last game and playing on the road.
After OKC, we would probably go down 4-8. Maybe just get the tough teams out of the way and hopefully Cs get their bearings back for the next 3 games vs. Toronto, Phoenix and Washington before facing Orlando.
How has Marquis fallen completely out of the rotation?
I realize he wasn’t exactly setting the world on fire and then had a cold, but the last 2 games he hasn’t played at all.
I think its because Pietrius
is a better over all player and Doc wants to go with him also to get him in shape.
Ok, I guess that makes sense
Just surprised he’s not getting a few minutes here and there or garbage time or anything.
Everyone must be watching the Patriots
Not many comments. Last time I checked that wasn’t much of a game either but at least it was headed in the right direction for all you Pats fans.
Doc is the problem
he does not manage the minutes well, and he definitely does not play the young players. How good a coach is he if he only rides the Big Three?
lets hope its not too late
you would think in a lockout shortenned season it would be a no brainer to rest your veterans and let the kids play
Old habits die hard
But I was encouraged with him playing Moore so much tonight and by what he had to say about him after the game.
Definitely wouldn't mind seeing Jajuan Johnson get some minutes
Just 15-20 minutes a game. Maybe he ends up being another mistake like Giddens or Walker or maybe he can be a decent player. I thought JJJ was more of a polished player without huge upside, I wonder if he is too raw.
what did he say about E'Twaun?
he said good things about the steamer before he relegated him to the end of the bench
Basically just that he was terrific and had been standing out for awhile in everything they did and showing that he deserves to play. Said he was waiting to see if anyone else would step up but realized there was no way he didn’t deserve to play. That’s a very loose paraphrase. The exact quotes will probably hit the papers tomorrow.
If that’s what he said, it sounds like Bradley is in the dog house for not stepping up. Besides that Moore seems to be a better playmaker than Dooling and could be the best backup for Rondo as a pg.
by European NBA fan on Jan 15, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
actually
FML = [dirty F-word] my life
I didnt watch this game. I wanted to enjoy my Saturday night, so I watched the pats and the bruins.
by JBourdon on Jan 14, 2012 10:58 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Didn't think so
When I read that I was like really ’cause I thought it meant something else.
what happened to avery I was watching hockey
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by YeahTommyB4ZGermansGetThere on Jan 14, 2012 11:09 PM EST reply actions
I don't know that anything really happened to him
Except Moore may have just passed him in the rotation.
Hahah
I didn’t care about this game…was too busy watching the Pats ending all the Tebow talk! But yeah…Celtics, what will you do on Monday?
Blow it up
We’ve had a very good run.. KG, Paul, Ray, gave us a team to be proud of, and a championship. Rondo plays with the same great heart.
But it’s over. This team is not going to win a championship, or even to the East finals.
Time to blow it up and get started again. I stayed a fan through the lean years, and I’ll do it again. Time to start learning to get excited about the young guys.
With the #13th pick in the 2012 draft, the Celtics take ...
Right now we have #13 and #20.
The Patriots game was excellent, BTW
"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark
it's critical
but there is still hope.
Shame on you who want to trade pp, kg and ray. These guys are going through a bad phase.. Ray is better than ever though. It saddens me to see people wanting to trade PP34. He’s the heart and soul of the team, and he’s been with us through thick and thin. He retires as a celtic!
I don't follow rules, I let the rules follow me.
Not sure why it's kind to Ray, PP, and KG to have them go out like this
if they could have the chance for another run at a ring.
its their fault for goodness sake
many second line supportive players were brought in. They were good enough years ago for House and Posey and PJ to be enough but now JO, and Pietrus, and Daniels and Bass and Dooling and Wilcox aren’t enough to be even Good. Im shocked butit is really happening.
Ive been a distance runner my whole life and coached too. There are guys who forget how much effort it took to be great. I think a lot of what we see is that.
There is a guy for the most hated enemy who is the best example of a guy who almost never ever lets up. to see him play like he has while our guys act the way they do makes me want to throw up. lets all hope we get a real young killer to extend the Russell, Jones, Havlicek, Cowens, White, Parish, Bird, Mchale murderers row. This group wasn’t it. Rondo isn’
t the guy either…he takes too many nights off. Kg was too old by the time we got him and about to get injured. As far as young guys, I suspect Wade has it, Paul has it, Rose has it. I don’t know if anyone else but the guy in La really has it in the entire league but we HAVE to get a guy like that next time
There is a huge difference between forgetting how to be great and being too old to be great
You are actually questioning the effort of the big 3? All 3 of them being as good as they were up to last year was amazing. It’s not the effort or the skill, it’s just age.
kg, you watched them stroll through the season 2 years ago and they admitted to that and yet you don't think they have "lack of effort" in them?
they have literally TRAINED themselves to save themselse through these seasons
the effort isn’t there. I can meet you sort of half way and say ok they lost another full step in months(???) and that and their built in desire to go through games with the least possible effort has brought us to this
How dare you call old age a bad phase?
by jurrasicearl on Jan 14, 2012 11:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
And the Lakers are 9-4.....
And they are starting Matt Barnes and playing guys like Jason Kapono, Luke Walton and rookie Darius Morris.
You know what is pitiful?
Kevin Mchale’s hapless Houston Rockets have won more games than the Celtics
Trying to stay positive
We got off to a better start and at times I even saw our old swagger there. Statement win to right the ship vs the Thunder on Monday. Yeah I haven’t jumped yet.
As for blowing it up I think it’s too early to go there, lockout seasons have been strange in the past. Within a month or so, we’ll have a much better idea. Keep working, keep positive and we can beat the Thunder.
btw,bradleys tweet could mean a few things. f my life, for (the) mf’in loss, forgot my lunch … etc
by JerseyKid. on Jan 15, 2012 12:07 AM EST via Android app reply actions
I have to admit, I LOL'd
at your first two sentences, Jeff. But then I had a sad face….
You are officially now a better love story than “Twilight.”
future center
i would like to see us go after kanter hibbert favors monroe or bynum. who else could we go after
by JuJuan some moore on Jan 15, 2012 1:30 AM EST reply actions
On DX, 7 of the picks between 11 and 30 ...
are Centers or PF/Cs. Our future Center could be one of them, unless Danny trades #13 for Sebustian Telfailure again.
"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark
Yeah, not feeling great about the Celtics.
But hey, we had our championship, and as much as we all would have liked two, one is better than a lot of teams have to show for the last decade or two.
I know I’m gonna be called out by some for giving up early, but I really didn’t have high hopes coming into the season, so this is something of a confirmation rather than a disappointment. We always talked about an X year window, and honestly that ran out a couple years ago based on most initial expectations, it was a good run.
I’d rather not be so pissed and upset about how things are going, and instead be happy about having some good years (one in particular) to look back on and move on to getting better sooner rather than later.
Ray will bring something decent. KG might help even just as an expiring, Pierce…well, I just hope to avoid a PR disaster with him. Seems like Amnesty is the best way to go, which really sucks given the last decade+, but I guess you have to think of the team first.
Sorry to those who hate this kind of talk, but I just think this unit is done as an NBA Championship contender, and I’m not in it for a semifinals run. I love these guys, but I’ll also love whoever helps us win our next bunch. I’m interested to see where we can go from here.
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BLAME DOC!!!!
I wasnt expecting the C"s would be this bad….most of the blame should go to doc, poor rotation of players
!!!! Why doesnt he give the rookies a chance to play….should trade doc for popovich or nate mc millan!!!BTW BOURNE LEGACY is filming here in manila….just saw jeremy renner and rachel weisz earlier…another loss coming up against perk and the thunder!!!
by true_celticsphilippines on Jan 15, 2012 3:03 AM EST reply actions
And
Why does he insist on four of running his 30-year olds at the same time. Garnett and Stiemer, Bass and JO. Its not that hard. And Ray off the bench.
"Celtics bring order and structure to a chaotic world"
and the dark ages once again reigns...
at least this core got the championship with the first try and almost did it again in ’10.
we were once feared on the defensive end, and now we’re not even half of once we’ve used to be…
i would really like the ‘big (seems small now) three’ retire as celtics but with ainge saying he’d pull the trigger when the time comes, we can only hope for the best for this team and our beloved warriors.
if ainge disposes of kg and ray, then definitely it will be tank season and hope for the top prize in the draft.
just sad how we see them degenerate before our eyes…
Will this be the lowest
scoring team since the introduction of the 24-second clock
by Celtsfansince55 on Jan 15, 2012 3:24 AM EST reply actions
Darn Danny!
You should’ve just stayed pat with last year’s line up. It was our best chance at a title. But even if we somehow won last year, this year would have had the same result with Perk walking. But at least give it a go last season!
to all the Perk..................
fans on here who blame Danny. Take a minute and look at Perk’s stats for OKC. You would expect him to be a big rebounder and have a huge FG %, probably leading them in both and providing that stalwart defensive presence. NOT! He averages 5 points and barely 6 rebounds a game and only plays a bit over 25 minutes. Why? Durant leads the team in rebounding and Cole Aldrich leads in FG %. And if it’s Perk’s outstanding defense, why is he on the bench so much during crunch time? I, like everyone else, had gotten used to winning again and liked the feeling. BUT, I am also realistic enough to know that this had to come and you don’t rebuild on the fly and keep right on winning at the same high level. Retooling is going to take some time and get used to rough stretches.I laugh at posters who blame the vets, it isn’t that they don’t want to play better. The mindset and the skills are still there, just diminished by time. That’s why you still see flashes or brief spurts. AS for starting our young guys and playing the rookies major minutes, good luck with that. As long as KG, Ray, and PP are there, they WILL start.
Because
OKC has Serge Ibaka who shares the center spot with Perk
by calc on Jan 15, 2012 8:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
yep...............
Ibaka is the first name I think of as a defensive stopper. PLEEZZZZZZZZ!! If Perk was all people make him out to be, he would be averaging DH/Love numbers in rebounds and Serge would be a bench warmer. Ibaka gets minutes for his athleticism, a word Perk can’t even pronounce.
by CelticsUKfan on Jan 15, 2012 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
Be careful what you say about Perk--
he is part of the best 3-, 4-, and 5-man player combinations in the NBA this year:
cmon man........
If you scrolled all the way down, that site had Lamar Odom as the most productive player in the NBA. Really? REALLY? Are you serious?
by CelticsUKfan on Jan 15, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
This stat is for yesterday's game only
If you click through the site you can get stats for the season. That said, I think +/- in basketball is a pretty dumb stat.
And another thing
Not re-singing Delonte. He’s an injury waiting to happen but he brings it. Could give Rondo a night off (he’s going to need them) and not worry. Not the first one he’s let get away. In retro, too much about this team was about positioning for next year. Cant blame Rondo for sulking.
"Celtics bring order and structure to a chaotic world"
ps
GMs have to look ahead but with this being KRPs last shot, more attention to the present …
"Celtics bring order and structure to a chaotic world"
They should
start tanking, get a lottery pick and make a run at Al Jefferson. A low post high percentage scorer who can rebound is just what the doctor ordered and as for his defense put him next to a shot blocking power forward and he will be above average. Danny should see what he can get for Garnett and Ray Allen and let the kids play the rest of the season.
by calc on Jan 15, 2012 8:02 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I won't pick on anyone.........
but simply say Thank God that DA makes the decisions for the Celtics and not some of the people posting on here.
year 5 of a 3 year plan
This is what it looks like and it is ugly.
The people on here crucifying AInge or Doc are clueless. You don’t win in the NBA starting 4 guys in the mid 30’s all with 14 or more years in their rear view mirror.
Shouldn’t have traded Perkins….why so he can be an overpaid stiff on the Celtics rather then in OKC? This team struggles to score as it is. JO is terrible and way over the hill but he is still a better offensive player then Perkins is in his prime. We don’t rebound….either does Perkins. We don’t defend well out in space, either does Perkins. We don’t have the quickness to get to lose balls, either does Perkins. Perkins cures nothing and would have put us in a far worse situation going forward had he not been dealt away and signed to the contract he asked for and got.
The reality is we got old. Reasonable fans knew this day was coming the day we put together the Big Three. I saw it at the end of last season.
What we are is set up to turn this roster over pretty quickly either starting at the dead line or after this season.
Some fans
should go back and watch the years we had Acie Earl, Joe Klien or Mark Acre playing center- there are teams that have gone decades without a true starting center. Perkins wasn’t an all star but he filled the spot better than 1/3 of the starters in the league.
by calc on Jan 15, 2012 8:45 AM EST via mobile reply actions
If Perkins hadn’t have won an NBA title playing with the Big Three and alongside of KG he wouldn’t have gotten the notoriety or anywhere near the money he ask for and got. He’s decent. He is a good defender and a liability on offense. He can thank KG for his defensive reputation and his full bank account IMO.
This isn’t the 1960’s-1980’s where you need a great center to compete for an NBA title. This isn’t even the 90’s where you need a decent center to compete for an NBA title. This is the 2000’s where most teams don’t even have a legitimate center and you can compete with two power forwards IMO.
by CelticsFanNC on Jan 15, 2012 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
Doc's comments about Perk
by calc on Jan 15, 2012 9:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
LOL
What did Doc say when asked about Perkins, “he’s a Celtic for life” . What did you expect him to say right after the trade and what exactly does that prove?
Robert Parish is a Celtic for life too. That doesn’t mean I want him playing for the Celtics now. Come to think of it Parish even at his advanced ago would probably be less of a liability on offense then Perkins is now. I bet the Chief can dunk the ball if left uncontested under the hoop without bring the ball down to his knees too. Parish might be more durable then Perkins as well. Sorry this is a joke.
I don’t like railing on Perkins. He’s a good player and played a nice supporting roll on our last title team. He’s tough. He’s a good low post defender in one on one situations. That doesn’t mask his obvious weaknesses or the fact that he was walking at the end of last season and is now over paid though either.
The NBA is a business. The best people running organizations over the long haul have the ability to separate nostalgia/emotions from the equation and do what is best for the franchise. Giving Perkins the money he wanted for what he brings to the table when most of your core is near the end of the line made no sense.
by CelticsFanNC on Jan 15, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
That wasn't right after the trade
this was after the Pacers game-we play OKC next game.
by calc on Jan 15, 2012 3:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
the difference is....
there is no difference. Who cares when he said it.
If the core of the Celtics were 5 years younger then it makes sense to pay a limited but effective role player like Perkins the kind of money he asked for and got but with a teams who’s run was all but over it makes no sense to pay a player as limited as Perkins is that kind of money. What is the point of being tied to him long term with his obvious limitations and durability issues when you’re rebuilding and looking for All-Stars to replace the All-Stars who are about to retire. Perk would have ended up being an anchor to this franchise.
by CelticsFanNC on Jan 16, 2012 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
+1
Don’t forget Mark “Skippy” Blount.
"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark
it's all over , but the cryin'
i don’t care what anybody say’s , i still think we have a chance of getting D-12 next year ,or trading for him this year , the longer the magic wait the less they end up getting for him , it’s well known that one of dwight’s main thing’s is wanting to go to a big market city ,boston is the city of champions , and the celtics have more championships then any other team in the n.b.a. that’s is big as it gets , hopfully the magic will just ride it out till the end of the season , and we won’t have to trade anything to get him , never give up hope ,or howard coming to boston -
With all due respect, we have no chance at getting d12
by jurrasicearl on Jan 15, 2012 10:02 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Maybe instead of the idea of "blowing things up"
…they could just change the starting lineup and limit the minutes of the big3 and save their bodies for the post season (if we make it). It’s stupid but it’s worth a shot… There are a lot of other teams giving rookies more playing time and as much as they have lotsa rookie errors, they are producing.
Good udea
This team, this performance? The big 3 should be relegated to role players. That’s exactly what they will be anyway if they get traded. I’d stArt pierce, rondo, stiemsma, kg, Moore. Rotate in bass, keyon, jjj/oneal, wilcox, pietrus. Bradley would be situational for defense. A little creativity and managemt would help this
by cltc5 on Jan 15, 2012 4:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
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