Trading Rondo - Being Reasonable
As part of my article analyzing the first 11 games, I included the following bit about Rondo:
"Rondo is absolutely the wrong PG for this team... The perfect PG for this current Celts team would be Steve Nash because of his veteran savvy, short-term contract, and what he can do on the court. This team needs a PG that controls the half-court, being able to hit open shots and create their own offense... With Phoenix currently outside of the playoff picture, perhaps they’d take on Rondo to lead their young team of athletes, while allowing Nash a shot at joining three future HOFers in Boston for one last push. With Nash at the helm, this Celts team would be tremendously improved, as he can find the open man, hit the open shot, and create his own offense. Rondo simply cannot do two of those three things... If anyone is traded on this team before the season is through it needs to be Rondo, but only in exchange for a top-flight, half-court-capable PG like Steve Nash; preferably, one with a short contract. I don’t believe this will happen, but if I were Ainge I would look into it." [To read the rest, please go here.]
Some of those who commented on the article claimed I was beyond foolish for even considering trading Rondo for an old PG like Nash. To be fair, I understand their concern. However, I disagree with their assessment of Rondo's talent and where it fits with this current team.
A few points:
- Rondo's speed is not an asset to this current squad. His talent lies in directing a speed-oriented offense where he can lead the break and view the court, but no one on the Celts can keep up with him. He often goes it alone, and as I discussed, he is a below-average finisher at the rim and a poor free throw shooter; so, Rondo going it alone is not the team's best option.
- When there is one player on a team who doesn't correctly fit the system employed to maximize all the talent on the team, who do you sacrifice: that player or the system? This Celts team is old, and Doc is not going to change his system. There is little that can be done to make them younger. Outside of Rondo, they have no trade bait other than Ray Allen, and he will not bring anything more than draft picks or expiring contracts. If the team is old and slow, then what good does it do to have one young, fast player (no matter how exciting he can be)? The team cannot get younger and quicker this season, and Rondo's talents will continue to cut against the grain of what this team needs to do - play efficient half-court basketball.
- Rondo's weaknesses are highlighted in the half-court offensive sets the Celts employ. Rondo's inability to develop a consistent jumper (or even a below-average three point shot) makes the Celts' offense less efficient. Often times, when the opposing defense shuts down the Celts first offensive set, the ball ends up in Rondo's hands 24 feet from the basket with the shot clock running down. What transpires almost every time? He either drives awkwardly toward the hoop to draw a foul or he bricks a jump shot. How much more efficient would this offense be if they had a PG capable of knocking down an open three or 18-footer on a consistent basis? How much burden would that take off of the Big-3?
- I will quickly mention that Rondo's defense, though often highlight-worthy, can be so for both good and bad reasons. He too often gambles, leaving his player open for either a shot or a drive. I believe that he is replaceable on the defensive end. The team may have fewer steals, but I believe they'll be just as efficient as they are now (which isn't too efficient).
- Keeping Rondo throughout the length of his contract accomplishes what? What kind of team can/will they build around him? He has proven during these six years that he is incapable of being the lead player on a championship team - there is probably only one PG in basketball who can do this - Rose. So, what are the Celtics left with once they have Rondo, an older Pierce, and ??? Free agency is not what it used to be. True superstars now demand trades and middle-of-the-road players garner above-average contracts. With Rondo at the helm, can Danny build a team around him through free agency? Not likely. And, without any tradeable assets, what can fans hope for over the next 5-10 years? To be clear, the Celtics are years away from having enough young talent to either make a run in the playoffs or trade for bonafide superstars (like they did with KG and Allen). That far down the line will Rondo even be the player he is now? He'll be older, and probably a bit creaky after taking all the hits and body shots he absorbs. Will he have a consistent jump shot by then? Will he be passing the ball to three Hall of Fame shooters like Pierce, KG, and Allen? It's probably not in the best interest of the organization to build around him. There isn't even a young second banana on the current squad to ease the transition of building around Rondo. He'll be going it alone during this transition period, and he is not talented enough all-around to carry a team.
- There is a reason why there has been only 9 championship organizations over the past 30 seasons. Each of the past 30 championship teams, outside of the Pistons of 2004 and the Rockets of 1994, has had multiple Hall of Famers on their roster. The Celtics have three Hall of Famers right now, and even though they're old and slower than before, the Celts face their best shot at Banner 18 by building around the Big-3 today. Not building around a pass-first PG tomorrow. Hall of Famers win championships.
All of these points lead to this:
- Nash can help this team today. He does three things PGs need to do: distribute the ball with accuracy, hit open shots, create his own offense when needed. Rondo cannot do two of those things, and this current Celts team needs a PG that can do all three. Nash can do all three. So can younger guys like Deron Williams, Chris Paul, Rose, and Westbrook, but the Celts aren't getting any of those guys. The Suns may be willing to send Nash away to pursue one final championship push if they can get a young, fast PG in return - young and fast being exactly what Phoenix needs. The Celtics' best bet is to try to push this current roster over the top, not wait and hope to build something around Rondo.
Two other notes:
* I know a lot of fans have been panting over the possibility of Dwight Howard joining the team at some point in the next 6 months, but why? What would a team of Rondo and Howard accomplish? The entire point of having a true center that draws double-teams is that he can kick it out to open shooters. That is a system that is near-impossible to defend when done right. What good would Rondo be with Howard? Rondo cannot hit open shots. And a true PG of Rondo's nature won't be needed to dump the ball into Howard for alley-oops and dunks. Jameer Nelson can do that just fine. Will Dwight be running the fast break with Rondo? Not likely. Will Dwight clog up the lane, making it more difficult for Rondo to penetrate? Absolutely. Rondo would be better served alongside PFs/Cs like Kevin Love, Blake Griffin, Al Horford, or Marc Gasol, guys who can do an equal measure of running the floor and hitting the outside shot. Did Shaq ever win with a top-flight PG? No, he won with score-first SGs. Did Hakeem win with a top-flight PG? No, he won with a stable of shooters (but mostly he did things himself). Tim Duncan (not a true C, but often played the position) won with both a score-first PG and a terrific SG. No other center-dominated team has won the title in the past 30 years, unless you count Moses Malone's 76ers back in 1983 (and they had Dr. J, Andrew Toney, and Maurice Cheeks). There is no precedent for a pass-first PG and a true C ever winning the championship during the past 30 years. I think these fans have on beer goggles, thinking how great it would be to have the Big-3 and Rondo and Dwight Howard. That's an unlikely scenario, even if only for next season.
* Despite everything I've written, I love Rondo. He is a true Celtic. He's played hard these past six years and he has a stable of highlight-reel moments embedded in my mind. I think he'll be an All Star for the next few seasons, regardless of where he plays. I just don't think he's the right PG for the current state of the Celtics, not this year or next. And, for all the reasons above, I would trade him (+O'Neal/JaJuan) for Steve Nash (+Gortat +a draft pick).
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How about Toronto???
Rondo for Calderón and 2012 draft pick unprotected.
Calderon is a better 3-pt shooter and free throw shooter, but his overall shooting percentage is equal to Rondo, he doesn’t get to the line often, and he’s not that good at distributing the ball.
Also, Toronto’s GM won’t give up an unprotected draft pick for a PG (Rondo) that cannot and will not push the Raptors into the playoff hunt. Toronto is still aiming for three or four years down the line, and Rondo will be 30 years old then. They’re more likely to give up players to gain draft picks.
The only PGs I see that fit right into my ‘Nash Theory’ for improving this team’s chances right now are:
- Deron Williams – may get traded or will be free agent
- Tony Parker – no way the Spurs ever let him go
- Chris Paul – chose LA over Boston
- Derrick Rose – cornerstone of Bulls franchise
- Russell Westbrook – co-cornerstone of Thunder franchise – may get traded in a few years if he and Durant don’t get to the Finals and continue to play well together
That’s one guy (Deron) who may become available and four guys who are cornerstones of their current franchises.
The Celts don’t need another young scoring PG if that player is inefficient, which many young PGs are. John Wall may score a lot of points on some nights, but his shooting percentages are awful (not to mention the Wizards would never give him up).
The Celts just need a guy who can distribute the ball and hit the open shot when the ball is swung to them. Creating one’s own offense is a bonus. Nash can do all three things.
I understand your point
You are right by saying Rondo is a poor fit with this team at times. You make the correct point of Howard not needing a guy like Rondo – better to surround him with shooters, However, funny thing is that Orlando did that (nelson,turgolu,bass,piteous, carter and others)- but some teams, including the celtics, played him one on one and forced him to score (taking away the 3 point shooters) AND IT WORKED. Truth is, I would not want Howard on the Celtics. His post game is erratic- and he just seems to be missing something that allows the teams he is on to be “beatable” (although it could just be Van Gundy). Not that he is bad, of course, but his contract would take up too much cap space, in my opinion. I would rather build around a combo of someone like Love/Wallace or Smith/ /Cousins.
Agreed.
Howard is vastly overrated by fans and analysts because he is one of the few true centers in the game today. If he were around in the 90s, Hakeem, Shaq, Robinson, Mutombo, and Ewing would keep him in his rightful place – good, not great.
Orlando does employ the correct strategy when having a true center, but Dwight can be an inefficient passer and he can, depending on the night, be guarded one-on-one (which limits his shooters’ openness). A man of his size and skill, being one of the only true centers in the league, should be more dominant than he is. It is telling that he is not.
I’m also not a big fan of Van Gundy’s coaching.
It’s also telling that more teams with dominating true centers haven’t won the championship. As I said, Hakeem won two (but probably wouldn’t have if MJ stayed in the game), Robinson won once Duncan came along, Shaq won with Kobe and Wade, Ewing never won. True centers are almost a luxury, if your team has the right balance of scoring and defense.
For Dwight to win, he’ll have to become the second banana on a team with a HOF-caliber SG or SF and a very competent PG, as well as a solid defensive system. If he went to the Lakers this year, and they didn’t have to send the entire team back in the trade, a group of Kobe, Gasol, and Dwight could win the championship this June. I hate to envision that, but it could happen.
If a deal for Nash and Gortat
Could be made for Rondo, that is a deal that makes sense if you look at it more closely. However, I don’t think Nash helps Boston enough to get past the 1st round and more than Rondo does. Then when Nash retires, where do you find a proven talent like Rondo. Yes, you get to drop another 17M off the books and get a Center with a very good upside for not very much money. But you have to deal with another star in Nash who is also old and on the DL a lot. I would have liked to see this 2 yrs ago. But I think it may be better to build around Rondo and pursue Kevin Love with very BIG BUCKS.
Nash is old, but...
He isn’t injury-ridden. Since 2002, he hasn’t played in fewer than 74 games in a season. In his career, he’s played 79 or more games five times (not incl. playoffs).
Dwyane Wade, for instance, hasn’t played in more than 79 games in a season ever and twice has only played 51 games.
Nash is ol’ reliable at the PG position. Quite like Ray Allen, in that freakish bball athlete way.
Ok. Let’s say your trade goes thru.. gortat is a high priced average talent.. nash is old.
So next year with an average free agent class the celtics have. Bradley, Johnson, Moore, gortat signed in your plan. Does that sound better than having a rondo, Moore Johnson, Bradley combo. 2 draft picks that could land a quality player.
Rondo may not shoot well but he can be a great player to play with if your shooters like morrow (nets could trade him here in off season to free up money to resign Williams) or to go after young athletic wings… buddinger (also a good shooter).. I think with this group bash could work. But I would not give rondo up. If the suns want JO, pierce for nash and gortat that sounds better. Nash can play off of rondo as a 2. Ray can join them as the 3. Also allowing pietrus and gortat to play D. And come off the bench at times. Frees $ up on both sides. and the suns have a face to promote in pierce. The celtics let nash go allowing 12 million to come off the books along with kg 21. & rays 10. Gortat is decent C with rondo at PG.
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A rondo lead break with ray, nash, bass and kg seems like a good sound.. the team would have to embrace just using the zone D. Cause ray and nash can’t keep up with wade and lebron. But I don’t know if Miami wants those two running after them when the celtics have the ball. PHX has the salaries to make a trade work. But a slow old team with an all star PG can’t trade its all star 24 year old and get nothing towards future
I'm sorry, but your comment was poorly thought out.
- If the Celts trade Rondo for Nash*, then next year’s locked-in squad would be: Pierce, Bradley, JaJuan, E’Twaun; with a qualifying offer for Stiemsma and a player option for Bass ($4.25 million). Nash, Allen, KG and the rest of the team all come off the books. If Gortat is included, he’ll be under contract next year too.
- They’d still have their draft picks. PGs will be available in free agency, including Deron Williams, and the Celts will be able to offer TWO max contracts.
- Pierce is still the Captain and the face of this franchise. They signed him to his new contract because of this. I know the media has begun spinning a possible ‘Pierce Trade’ campaign, but I highly doubt they trade him. His trade value is below that of Rondo because he’s older and has significantly more mileage on his legs. Contenders would perhaps be interested in him as a rental, but they wouldn’t offer anything of value in return.
- Morrow may get traded because he’s over-paid, but Buddinger is under contract for $800,000 next year, so there is no way Houston gives him up for what Boston could offer.
- Playing Rondo and Nash on the floor at the same time, with Allen at SF, is ludicrous. Allen cannot guard SFs (he can barely guard SGs at his age). Nash cannot guard SGs. No NBA team employs a zone defense all the time. It’s not sustainable. Shooters in the league are simply too good. Rondo and Nash are both PGs. Having them play together negates their strengths.
- The point of trading Rondo for Nash is that they play the same position. You don’t trade your starting SF for another team’s starting PG when you already have a starting PG.
I’m sorry if I’m coming across harsh, but people on this site have a way of throwing out names and numbers without fact-checking anything. Anyone who wants to discuss something seriously has to wade through unrealistic trade proposals and inane fantasies.
*For clarification: Rondo for Nash works straight up. In order to include Gortat, the Celts will have to include O’Neal.
So, either:
Rondo for Nash
Rondo + O’Neal for Nash + Gortat
I’d heavily consider either of those trades if I’m Ainge.
couple things..
1. By saying there are plenty of free agents out there than naming Williams is like saying there are plenty of centers like Howard. Williams / Howard are NOT coming here. They have already said that. So trading away a 24 year old all star doesn’t make sense to me. Than add on your trading him for a rental makes even less sense. My idea is Atleast getting rid of a over paid long term deal (pierce) with out giving up any major pieces long term.
Kidding me?
Nash and Rondo are point guards. If you try to get Nash to guard Kobe or Wade he will get annihilated Ray Allen cannot play the 3, he is a shooting guard.
2.
Anyone not understanding its a business 1st. Always says this.. “dont give up pierce, he is our captain and face of our franchise” that means 0 in the business world. Pierce has never been a top 10 player in the league did he carry the team for a while, yes. But at what expense, he didn’t trust his teammates for a long time. Not allowing them to gain confidence in there game. And developed at a reasonable pace. He took a lot! Of shoots to score his points.
Yes, the game is a business first. But, as a pure business move, the Celts did not need to re-sign Pierce through 2014 for $15+ million per season. He openly said he didn’t want to play for any other team. They re-signed him to that contract because he is the leader of the franchise. They know that he means to this franchise what Bird, McHale, and Parish meant to this franchise. Before you make an argument that Parish went to another team, it was as a free agent and he was freakishly old (40) at that time, and Bird and McHale had both retired.
You seem to have a negative view of Pierce’s career. He led an underdog team to the Conference Finals. Most shooters do take a lot of shots to get their points, but Pierce has shaped his game accordingly to the teams he is on.
since you brought them up
The problem wither the bird, mchale, parish era was the team didnt know when to say, sorry we think we want to go in another direction. Instead they traded ainge, and continue on with the 3. Until it killed the future for 20 years. That’s the point this team is at now. Trading nash for rondo doesn’t make them better than Miami, Chicago or even Orlando. A main concern fo4 those teams is how to guard rondo. Nash can’t do it every night like 5 years ago. Your adding age to an old team.
Who's to say Ainge is right?
So, Ainge would have traded Bird and McHale for Chuck Person, Herb Williams, Steve Stipanovich, Detlef Schrempf and Sam Perkins… and, what?, Boston would have won 6 titles in the 90s like the Bulls did. Come on.
Ainge is in the position to make the calls as GM, but there is no guarantee that he’s correct in his assumption that dumping all the vets now if the right thing to do.
My proposed trade of Rondo for Nash (w/ O’Neal for Gortat) makes the team better now. It gives a core group of guys who have already won a championship a shot at another championship. Will they win it? Probably not. But it’s a better shot than any they’ll have in the near future if they gut the team.
Begin rebuilding now by gutting the team and maybe we’ll sniff the playoffs in three years and, if everything falls our way, make a run at a championship in seven years.
You build to win now.
And nash doesn’t have to start. Allen and pietrus can start. Moore and nash off the bench w/ daniels. But he can play the sg spot to give ray a rest and play off the ball. That’s all I was saying. And if you noticed playing zone vs Miami wad a big reason why they came back to tease people before Miami pulled away again. So having nash and rondo up front in the zone is a fast duo. I didn’t say play zone the entire game. If the celtics are worried about who guards kobe than that means they are in the finals.
Trading the starting SF (Pierce) for a starting PG (Nash) when the team already has a starting PG (Rondo) leaves the team with no SF. Your idea is to start Pietrus and have Danials as the backup. They’ve both proven that they’re not talented enough for those roles. Pietrus is a backup. Daniels is an insurance swing man, filling in at SG/SF when needed.
Zone defense only works in spurts. When your version of the team has to play man-to-man they’re going to get destroyed. There are other scorers in the league to guard besides Kobe. Look at the SGs/SFs in the Eastern Conference: LeBron, Wade, Iguodala, Carmelo, Danny Granger, Luol Deng, Paul George, Joe Johnson. Who’s guarding those guys if Rondo, Nash, and Allen are on the floor? Pietrus can handle maybe 25mpg on them, but he’s not a starter.
Your team also leaves us extremely under-sized.
my negative view
Comes from being a leader.
That means first in last out. Do what it takes to show the young players how to do it the right way, to put the work in, not live off talent.
That = Ray Allen.
A leader should be unselfish almost to a bad point. To hold every one accountable. The voice and face of the team. The one other players key on to shut them down offensive and defensively.
That = KG.
A leader is typically the most important one to the overall team. Can do it himself but chooses to get teammates involved.
Rondo.
Pierce more than anyone hurt this team when he showed up out off shape. Knowing its a short Sprint. Knowing who plays sf for playoff teams. Knowing minimum pre season games. Knowing they would have to lean off young players like Bradley, Johnson, Moore. He decided to not be a leader and show those guys what it takes to be ready to play every night.
They did resign him cause that’s what they thought they would get. And cause they thought this season would go differently.
He didn't show up out of shape!
He hurt his heel while working out. Ankle/foot injuries hurt the whole body and limit work outs.
Do you even follow this team?
Ok, well you are obviously workin on to much emotion. Chuck person, schrempf, Perkins isn’t a better option then what they had in the 90s I didn’t say they would have beaten the bulls cause I don’t think any team with out Jordan/pippen combo had a chance.
Nash can’t do that line every night. He has a time restriction. So he would have one here. So you are going to put more pressure on Bradley & dooling. You know who can put 19 10 5 2 up every night, rondo.
You made the trade you like it, I don’t and your mad.
I'm not mad at all.
It’s just that your points are not well thought out or defended.
If you’re talking about Nash’s ‘time restriction’ as meaning mpg, he’s averaging 31mpg this season, more than KG, equal to Pierce, and right below Allen.
Nash is also one of the most efficient scorers in the league every single year, resulting in him being the 57th most efficient player in the history of the NBA. This season he’s the 9th most efficient player in the league. No Boston player is in the top-20.
Nash also defies the normal aging pattern of a NBA player. He’s more along the lines of Allen than someone like Baron Davis. Nash is in terrific shape.
Finally, I don’t know where you’re pulling this ‘19,10,5,2’ Rondo line from… Rondo has never averaged more than 15ppg in a season, and will never avg 19ppg until he develops a jump shot (a 3-pt shot could put him over 20ppg). In the 13 games of this season he may be averaging 15,9,5,2, but it’s not going to last, and he got two of his high scores when Pierce was out. With Pierce back, Rondo doesn’t avg 15ppg.
Get your facts straight and make cogent, cohesive points and it won’t seem like I’m responding to you in a ‘mad’ way.
So nash played a rondo-less celtics team and avery Bradley gave him trouble, what is rose or even wade going to do to him. the nash trade 3 years ago made sense. right now it doesn’t cause the likely hood of DWill and Howard coming here is low. So why trade a rondo talent for a rental in nash
Read this article.
http://basketball.realgm.com/article/218462/Danny_Ainge_And_The_Art_Of_The_Rebuild
Brilliantly written.
And, this is a great quote by Bob Ryan: “Rondo’s game is sui generis. When he is on his game, relentlessly attacking the rim, drawing fouls, commanding the offense with unrivalled vision, skill, and panache, and being the most disruptive defensive guard of this generation, Rondo is as good as any player in the game. America had the privilege of seeing that Rondo numerous times in the playoffs over the past four seasons, when he cranked out insane triple doubles. But, alas, that Rondo only appears occasionally, perhaps because his body cannot stand the wear and tear of such a physical game. Most of the time Rondo is far less aggressive offensively, and is a top-25 player, not a top-10 player. And that is all the difference in the world when it comes to having a contender.”
Man, you're an idiot.
Bob Ryan is saying what every intelligent fan knows: Rondo is INCONSISTENT and not a #1 player on a championship-contending team!
“Most of the time Rondo is far less aggressive offensively, and is a top-25 player, not a top-10 player. And that is all the difference in the world when it comes to having a contender.”
I feel a bit foolish now because after re-reading your comments I feel like I’ve been carrying on a one-sided discussion with a ten-year-old. Are you 10 years-old? If so, you’re parents should edit and approve everything you write before you post it.
by Wicklow on Jan 25, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you call me an idiot one more time..
1. My opinion of your trade is it f’ng sucks.
2. you keep bringing up one sided points. yes nash is a better shooter, but he can’t defend Eddie house so how does that help vs Chicago, Miami?
3. rondo is younger and signed for longer. why trade young talent for old ready to retire rentals. it doesn’t make sense.
3. it is widely known that the d
C’s were out of shape, why are you arguing they weren’t.
4. I don’t care what Bob Ryan thinks.
5. and you keep calling people morons on these post, I would stop cause you don’t seem very brute yourself.
so lets talk numbers..
One player averages..
15 pts. 9 as. 5 rbs. 2 stls.
The other one..
15 10 1 .5
One player can play 40+ min another is closer to 30.
37 years old. 26 years old at the end of the NBA season.
One player has been on all defensive teams. The other one has never played D.
One player has 8 regular season triple doubles, 6 play off triple doubles. The other..3 & 1.
One is a two time mvp. One has 2 NBA finals under his belt.
One shoots very well from 3 and free throws. But still averages the same as the other.
One player is a free agent. Another one isn’t.
One player is highly rumored to be playing in NY next year another one… is under contract.
And yeah I follow the team, maybe you should start listening or ask d.Marshall on pierce. Cause he has said multiple times pierce came into camp out of shape and thinks his injury could be because of his shape.
3.
Your doing what you say you don’t like, by throwing this trade. It doesn’t make the celtics better now or in the long run. I’m not saying it doesn’t work. But it doesn’t make sense when another option is just let the contracts run out and rebuild.
The trade works financially and I believe it improves both teams – the Celtics today (when they’re a playoff contender) and the Suns tomorrow (when they hope to become playoff contenders).
Many fans throw out trades without checking them financially or considering whether they make sense for both organizations. If fans want to live in a magical land of NBA trades, then they can create their own teams in an NBA video game.
Fans seem to think that rebuilding is easy. Above I discussed how difficult it is to build a championship team. 9 championship organizations in the past 30 years. It takes special Hall of Fame talent to win championships. I don’t believe Rondo has that talent. Can he be a piece of a championship team going forward? Absolutely. But with the current market of available players and the Celtics lack of trade-worthy players, it is unlikely Ainge can pair Rondo with any other Hall of Fame-caliber stars. That is why I believe it is best to go for broke today.
Then again, I’m not paid Ainge’s salary to make these decisions.
Trading rondo?
Instead of all this non sense about trading rondo, I think the best plan would be to stay the course for this season. Hopefully the team will turn it around and find their way into the playoffs. We all know singe is a very active GM, and that’s one of the things I like about him. He will pull the trigger on any deal if it will help the team, but instead of trying to deal rondo for a better fitting point guard, why not let him acquire the talent to fit in around rondo, rather than try to get a guy like Nash to compliment old players who more than likely will be gone soon? I’m all for stock piling draft picks, however unless their going to get a high lottery pick at some point where they could select someone whose closer to a sure thing, these mid to late round picks that they would get in exchange in a deal are not going to help this team. Ainge has a proven track record of not drafting well. Giddens, bill walker, Bradley,? These are all busts that Danny’s drafted over the past years. Who is the last impact player that they’ve drafted? Perk? 7 years ago..I was slightly excited when he picked Moore and Johnson, because they were both seniors. Mature experienced guys who played together. But we all know doc doesn’t want to play rookies, and therefore this stunts their development. Johnson was big ten defensive player of the year, and can’t get any minutes. Moore looks scared when he does play, and cant make a lay up. Their best bet is to ride this season out, try and get some free agents to come in that will compliment rajon, and who knows maybe you can bring back KG and ray at much lower $ for experience leadership, and bench roles. I’m not totally ready to call this season a wash, but it’s not looking good.
No rajon
The loss to the suns, combined with the miserable offensive output in the game just goes to show how crucial rondo is to the team. He distributes ,he runs the offense and gets others involved. This should be proof that to a degree, this team is built around rondo, and any talk of trading him for someone who doesn’t have his defensive prowess or know the system is ludacris..Jeff green is a very talented player, way more than perk, and look how awful he played last season. Pierce should be the only piece traded, while is value is still somewhat high.
I wholeheartedly agree with you
Nash would be a better fit for this team and Rondo is a good fit for the Suns. With Nash on this team you would have 3 knockdown 3 point shooters on the starting lineup. No sagging off on defense daring Nash to shoot because he will punish you. With this trade you could probably even get the suns to package Gortat with Nash or Nash + 1st round pick. The Celtics would have a larger fan base (at least for a year) because people love Nash. The Celtics right now need a point guard that can shoot the ball and Rondo is probably the worst among starting point guards at landing wide open jump shots. I’ve been saying it for the last 2 seasons but you just put it in better words. That said though I wouldn’t do a straight swap for Nash, I’d want Gortat or a first round pick included.
By the way [Nash's line against the Knicks last night]
S. Nash, 37:36, 26 points, 11 assists, 5 boards on 9-12 shooting, 2-3 from three, and 6-6 from the line.
The Celts could certainly use that.

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