Night And Pierce - What A Difference
Rajon Rondo is now our best all around player. Ray Allen is still our best shooter and Kevin Garnett showed that on some nights he can still look like the KG of old (instead of just an old KG). However, there's no doubt that our best scorer and offensive threat has to be Paul Pierce. So it is no surprise that the team looks a lot better with him in the lineup than without.
Sure, the team as a whole has benefited from playing against a couple of teams that will be watching ping pong balls closer than playoff basketball come summer, but still. The Celtics at least made the first two games exciting at the end and you never know what a healthy Paul Pierce could have done to tip the scales - in particular in the Knicks game.
The offense looks just so much smoother with him on the court. Spacing is better, the flow works better, and he gives everyone else on the court more confidence (an underrated aspect of the game I think). Still, the best is when the offense somehow gets clogged up and stalls for some reason - Pierce is the one guy that you can isolate and just let him make something out of nothing. Sometimes it is an off balance jumper that still finds the net or perhaps it will be a pinball through the lane that gets him to the line. When the clock is winding down, there's still nobody on the team with the same combination of cool head and offensive creativity as our captain.
And the really good news is that it sounds like he's recovering well from the heel issue that kept him out of the first three games.
Pierce shows no ill effects - BostonHerald.com
Paul Pierce was back in the lineup last night after making his season debut Friday. The bruised right heel that kept him out of the first three games held up well against the Pistons. "He said he was very sore, but it wasn’t his heel," coach Doc Rivers said before tipoff versus the Wizards, a game the Celtics [team stats] won 94-86. "It was just his body which is a pretty good sign, I guess." Rivers said Pierce’s conditioning will determine how long he plays in the next few games.
O’Neal taking an active role - The Boston Globe
"I’ll use the [season’s first] eight games like the preseason,’’ he said. "The foot is really holding up pretty good. It’s not totally 100 percent but it is bearable. I’m just right now trying to get my legs under me in game shape. But that’s going to come.’’
Take all the time you need to get your wind Paul. We'll need you for the home stretch and the playoffs.
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the last part of your first sentence is scary -
- especially when in mop up time last night, JaJuan Johnson flails an air ball and the bench laughs at him…
- but i wholeheartedly agree, the team needs #34 big time
Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk
oops, last part of your 2nd sentence, the bit about KG -
- happy new year all -
Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk
A good scrimmage
This game was little more than a scrimmage for us. The Wizards have some excellent individual athletes but they are not a team yet.
The tide is turning and the C’s are fast becoming Rondo’s team. Funny thing for a player who was on the chopping block a few weeks ago. Rondo’s hustle for rebounds (even if it was motivated by the thought of getting a triple double) in the final minutes when the game was all but decided should not go without notice. Rondo almost always plays with heart, even though some of the times his heart might be in the wrong place. This was perhaps Rondo’s most balanced game I’ve seen him play. Not relying on his passing or shooting to the detriment of the other.
Was KG back for good or was this a momentary highlight just so we could remember the good times?
Will the team’s legs hold up tonight?
KG
I too don’t think KG has been looking good, except for last nite. But, if you remember, on media day KG talked cooking, but the message was about having little time to develop chemistry and timing. I wonder if this is what’s been going on. I do think that he seems to have lost some lift and shots that shouldn’t be blocked are getting blocked. I think we need to give the extended training camp some more time before we say KG is thru.
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Paul is the last
Paul Pierce is the last of the old time Celtics. He played his entire career with the team. He has done everything they have ever asked him to do. He is tough as nails. He plays through injuries. He is a classy hard nosed player that rarely complains. He is the one of the last of a rare breed of player that the Celtics used to have a lot of.
Agreed
Paul is the last Celtic to be with the organization while Red was still around.
KG and Ray fit the mold, just didn’t start here.
" Hell yeah I'm trying to gain an advantage out here. If you can't handle it, get off the court."- Kevin Garnett
"Stats are for losers."- Rahim Morris (Tampa Bay Buccaneers)
OFF-TOPIC
Too bad about Rahim Morris, fired today as Bucs coach.
Management refused to get any FA’s and now fire the coach for losing due to a lack of talent on the roster.
" Hell yeah I'm trying to gain an advantage out here. If you can't handle it, get off the court."- Kevin Garnett
"Stats are for losers."- Rahim Morris (FORMERLY-Tampa Bay Buccaneers)
100% agree
and it’s very bothersome to read comments by some questioning Pierce’s commitment and desire (i.e. a small few calling out that he should have played the first 3 games despite the injury – ‘just like Kobe’).
Pierce has shown again and again over the years that he will play through injuries if necessary.
But a bone bruise is not something you want to aggravate because it will just hang around for weeks and weeks. If you rest it and let it get healed (which is what they did) it should be a non-issue.
Listening to the trainers (i.e. Eddie Lacerte) and doing the right thing – even if it meant we lost the first 3 games – was the right ‘team’ thing to do by Pierce. Long-term health is going to be critical in this season and ALL the players on the team have to follow his lead here.
Similarly, I want Pietrus to take his time and get fully healthy and conditioned before stepping on the court.
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It isn't worth your effort to respond to the naysayers; they'll be negative all the way anyway.
Lygafe
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I agree with you
I don’t think the original point of his post was to disparage Rondo or any other current member of the team. I think his point entirely was to laud Pierce who is deserving in many ways.
But anyone that wants to suggest that Rondo isn’t tough just needs to watch the footage of that game from last year . . . where his elbow bent 90 degrees the wrong way . . . and he missed one quarter. Just one. Not even a full one actually.
Sometimes glass glitters more than diamonds because it has more to prove.
If Rondo has the career Pierce has had, yes.
He would be considered a Celtic Legend. He has a long ways to go though.
Still, Pierce will be the last superstar around while Red was here. That will mean something to some people.
" Hell yeah I'm trying to gain an advantage out here. If you can't handle it, get off the court."- Kevin Garnett
"Stats are for losers."- Rahim Morris (FORMERLY-Tampa Bay Buccaneers)
Rondo is the first of the 'New Time' Celtics!
Meet the New Celtics: Same as the Old Celtics!
Rondo is going to carry the ‘old’ traditions and fundamentals that the veterans he’s played with exemplify these last few years forward to the next generation of Celtics.
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I love Pierce
just like every other Celtics fan. He’s our best scorer and right up there with Rondo as one of our best overall players.
Watching him grow up and mature over the years has been one of my favorite parts of being a Celtics fan, culminating with watching him take in the scene as he was about to win a championship.
That said, it’s not like he’s been an exemplary player and personality forever. If not for the big 3, his legacy might have been that of an underachieving malcontent who never really got it.
So, he was never perfect.
But that imperfection, in my opinion, made his ascent and re-writing of his own story that more magical to watch.
"Chemistry is something that you don't just throw in a frying pan and mix it up with another something and throw something on top of that and then fry it up and put in a tortilla and put it in microwave, heat it up, give it to you and expect it to taste good. You know? If y'all don't know what I'm talking about then you can't cook and this doesn't concern you."
by KGHurtYourFeelings on Jan 2, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
With Pierce ...
the Cs are above-average, but not a true contender.
Without Pierce … hellooooo lottery!
"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark
without Pierce
We now have 29 minutes of : RR+Ray+Sasha+KG+JO
and 29 minutes of: RR+Ray+Pierce+KG+JO
Here are their overall unadjusted +/- ratings (per 100 possessions):
RR+Ray+Sasha+KG+JO: -19.24
RR+Ray+Pierce+KG+JO: +16.60
So that’s a net difference in productivity of -35.84 points per 100 possessions.
Ouch! Granted, with Sasha, it was against a bit tougher competition. But, “Ouch!”, nevertheless!
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Interesting addendum to that
We only have 10.82 minutes of time for the starters with Marquis, but THAT unit actually has played pretty well:
RR+Ray+Daniels+KG+JO: +49.26
That number is obviously based on very small sample (just 33 total possessions) and will probably fluctuate like crazy over the next few games. But as a record of what actually happened – it shows that good things happened in those 11 minutes. The defense of that unit was especially stifling over those 11 minutes. Over the 17 possessions by the opponents, they only gave up 15 points. And mind you half that time that was against NY and Miami, two very potent offensive teams.
This is probably a reflection of what I referred to in my larger comment below: Daniels has far more time with this team than Sasha and the starters are probably more instinctive playing with him. Oh, and the fact that Daniels is probably just a better overall player than Sasha.
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If he started the year healthy
The C’s could very well be 4-1 with wins over the Heat and Knicks. People might be talking championship instead of doom and gloom. BUT it just makes the point of how important health is to this team, which is never a good thing when the players in question are this old. Also it makes me wonder how big a difference Jeff Green might have made on this team.
by Aluminum Penguin on Jan 2, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
pp is a stud and he is our stud, but dare i say- all this talk about rondo being our only true trading chip- pp would bring a lot more to us ina trade than rondo. i am not advocating a trade just mentioning it.
Pierce's contract becomes scary as he ages, whereas Rondo's is quite friendly.
And Rondo is the better overall player at this point.
watching pierce play basketball
is literally like art. it’s so easy, watching C’s games all the time, to take our guys for granted. it’s not until you watch some random NBA game, for me it was bulls vs. the clippers the other night. great players, terrific athletes, but so few players have the refined, all-around, fluid offensive games that pp has.
not to say watching blake griffin and d. rose isn’t FUN, but they haven’t perfected their games like pierce has.
on a side note
when was the last time pierce took 28 shots in a game (ahem.. kobe..) especially when it was dragging his team down?
by JunkyardDawg on Jan 2, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that's not likely to happen too often
As I allude to below – while we generally WANT Pierce to take the most shots on this team, most of the time that’s going to be only about 18-20 shots.
That said, when the match ups favor it, sure, Doc will have Rondo feeding Pierce for 28 shots. But it will be when that makes sense to do.
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The Sum being Greater than the Parts
I think that what has evolved over the last few years with this team – and I think this year will be the most compelling example of it – is that this squad is extremely, tightly dependent on having all it’s parts.
This team is not going to win by expecting Kevin Garnett to score 20 points every game. Or Paul Pierce to post 30 every game. Or Jermaine to grab 10 rebounds every game. Or Ray to hit 5 3PT shots every game or even by expecting Rondo to post a triple-double every game.
Not only is it reality that these guys (except Rondo) aren’t at the peak of their individual ability anymore, but also, simply put – this team doesn’t really work that way.
This team is going to win because each of those guys is a threat to have such a big game on any night when the matchup is there. We may or may not have the elite individual players at every position. But very few teams can put that many quality weapons on the court at once and that means – if we are healthy – we should be able to exploit at least one serious mismatch in every game.
So you’ll have 4-5 guys on our roster scoring 10-15 points and a different guy in each night having the ‘big’ game.
With this team model, it doesn’t even make sense to try to characterize any of our individual players as an “XX points-per-game” or “XX rebounds-per-game” player. Because ALL of them are going to have lower overall numbers over time than they might on a lesser team and on any given night, they could erupt for far above their averages.
This team is all about synergy – the spacing and timing that these guys have gotten to. It makes the unit far more effective than it’s individual components. The negative, at least in this early going, is that when you replace one of those components with a replacement who just hasn’t had the years of working closely and tightly together with the Big 4 – it is going to be even less effective.
In this early going, we definitely see missed defensive rotationswhere KG and [insert other big man here] still are getting their timing. The way the C’s play defense requires that everybody have an intuitive feel for where each guy is and where they are going to be. Especially in the post where the strategy is often to intentionally guide attackers into a waiting post presence. But that only works if the help defender times his help exactly. It’s obviously looking better each game, but it’s is still very rough.
And obviously, taking Pierce out was just killer for our offense. But hopefully as time goes on, as our bench guys get more and more time together and also as subs with the starters, the drop-offs will be much less.
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Very, very well said; I certainly couldn't have put it any better myself.
Lygafe
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what ever happened to 'ubuntu'?
not that the players have stopped playing that way, but the media rarely talks about it anymore. Last summer during the World Cup (it might have been during the Germany/Australia game) one of the British announcers was talking about how defense/team-first mentalities had recently made a comeback in professional sports, and he singled out the Boston Celtics as a team that he and other soccer players liked to watch because of its emphasis in these areas. i know for a stretch we had teams like the Spurs and the Pistons who won because of their defense, but they didn’t combine it with the offensive fluency that the C’s have.
it’s gonna be tough when these guys retire because this kind of basketball is just so rare.. we gotta enjoy it while we can!!
That happened during the game last night. It's just reported as a 'tight' hamstring.
Hamstring soreness is going to be fairly common with the short training camp.
As long as they back him off before it is more seriously strained then it should be okay for the long haul.
The key, as with all injuries (and for all teams) this year will be to not make mistakes that lead to worse, long term injury problems.
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jermaine o'neal and sasha for demarcus cousins ?
i know cousins is imature and has issues, but with the right coach , (doc), the right teammates (p.p., k.g. and ray ) he could be a beast like perkins was, and put up some points if we needed
2nd game of back to back..... Win
Take it every time….
Nice win… back to .500 and in 1st place in the division…
Complain on if you will… I’m good!
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