Stiemrolled - Celtics On 3 Game Win Streak
by Jeff Clark on Jan 2, 2012 10:36 PM EST
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Stiemsma was better than his good on Monday night against the Wizards starting in place of Jermaine O’Neal (left hamstring). He wasted little time asserting himself as he blocked Washington’s Rashard Lewis. The play angered Wizards’ coach Flip Saunders who got two quick technical and was ejected 106 seconds into the game. Stiemsma’s shot blocking is already an established part of his game — he came in averaging 7.3 blocks per 36 minutes — but he also showed a nice touch from the outside and wasn’t afraid to mix it up with the more athletic Wizards. Stiemsma finished with 13 points and seven rebounds in 21 minutes.
In other news, Ray Allen was Ray Allen tonight.
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"WHIZ-ARDRY"
No JO tonight, he hurt his leg,
Stiemsma got the start—that’s right, Greg.
He scored the first hoop, then a block, then a block,
His enthusiasm was appreciated by the crowd and Doc!
RAY ALLEN FOR THREE, RAY ALLEN FOR THREE,
Right from Q1 the high scorer is he.
A Wizard flew down the court, that was John Wall,
Who taunted Stiemsma and got a technical call.
KG “five, five, five” brought in Brandon Bass,
(Geez, Ray has to stop that cross court pass).
The Wizards’ coach Saunders, his name should be “Flipped,”
He was tossed as into the ref he ripped.
Watching Bradley’s defense was so much fun,
Wilcox came back, didn’t get much done.
RAY ALLEN FOR THREE, he is playing large,
At the other end Rondo took a huge charge!
At the end of the half, the Cs down by one,
The young Wizards are having way too much fun.
Several Cs turnovers in the first half of Q3,
Stiemsma started scoring helped by Pierce for three.
The Cs worked hard, against such a young group,
Low percentage for each team when they went to the hoop.
RAY ALLEN FOR THREE, Cs turnovers galore,
Then RAY ALLEN FOR THREE again in Q4.
Marquis got it going, along with Bass,
Pierce for three off a KG pass!
Again RAY ALLEN FOR THREE, Cs took care of biz,
Special thanks to Ray, tonight’s scoring Whiz.
by mycelts on Jan 2, 2012 10:38 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Ray should pass 2800 3PT shots this year
even with the shortened season.
Can’t think of a poetic way to incorporate that countdown in. You might be able to though!
Great job again.
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Boxscore
Does anyone have a problem accessing the boxscore in SBNation’s “Complete Coverage” link? I can’t seem to, and in the time it takes me to fiddle with it, I just go over to ESPN’s site and get it in no time flat. Just wondering.
Though it was a bit tougher then last night...
The bottom line is that the Celtics get the job done again and beat a team they are suppose to beat.
I thought this would be one of those nights as Washington just would not go away, but the C’s held on to get the win.
Game ball should go to Ray as he played well on the offensive end of the court and played a big role in the win with his potent scoring tonight, though Pierce also helped play a big role in the win also.
Off the bench credit should also go to the C’s big 2 off the bench of Bass and Steimsma who both had solid games.
Bass continues to impress especially on the offensive end of the court and with his hustle and energy and is making the Baby trade look like a great Ainge trade to date .
As A HUGE Steimsma fan, it was great to see Steimsma get the start tonight.
He was very impressive tonight, as once again he did just about all you could ask on both the offensive and defensive ends of the court, as he continues to make his case to be the primary backup center behind J.O..
Its puzzling how Steimsma (who we hardly ever knew a few weeks ago) slipped through the cracks the last few years and was not picked up by some NBA team, especially considering the shortage of legit centers in the NBA and the talent Steimsma appears to have.
Ainge here again deserves praise for scouting Steimsma and finding such a gem of a player he appears to be so far.
Scary point of the game was when Rondo took that fall when driving to the hoop.
I thought he broke a wrist or something and did not want to look at the reply, but luckily it was just a boo boo and he shaked it off.
I would actually consider starting him. Resting JO more, giving starters more youth, and bench vet leadership.
by kuekuatsheu on Jan 2, 2012 11:40 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yeah I concur with all your points.
The Wizards stayed in it because Blatche had one of his bipolar, schizophrenic “ON” days where he makes every stinking crazy shot and because McGee remembered he is an athletic freak who can out leap the building rafters. Those two were 18 of 29 and clearly had the ‘young legs’ advantage among the bigs on the floor.
That said, even though KG’s shot was not really falling – he did look mostly pretty spry and was a key part of the offense when we pulled away, dealing out key assists late in the game. KG dished out 6 assists for the game!
A couple of additional observations:
I thought our guards just totally ruled over their guards and that ultimately is where we won this game. Rondo, Bradley, Dooling & Ray all just owned Wall, Young, Crawford and Mason. Defensively, especially, we shut down Wall who played over 40 minutes but scored just 11 points on 4 of 13 shooting.
Pierce and Allen – man, when they are hot from downtown, they are freaking deadly to close a game out. Together with KG, they seemed to just take ownership of the game in the last few minutes.
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But it was almost life & death vs the Wiz
have to believe that DA must look to someone like Cousins who, along with Stiemsma/Wilcox would provide the C’s with a nice edge vs the cHeat & Chi at center;
and if Ray & PP can keep up the shooting + improved Rondo, who knows?
Yes, JO , Bradley, + one or two #1 picks
would do it IF Sacremento would accept. (Cannot trade now JJJ or Moore)
Sacramento PR has already said that they don’t plan on trading him, tho. The announcement was more to let it be known his attitude problem instead of actually planning to trade him.
we might see westphal's exit in the next few days or weeks
that would boost DeMarcus’ already large ego.
by kheldar52077 on Jan 2, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
But Cousins has major problems with Westphal
so there could be a chance here
The man has issues
Not a good fit for this team…and possibly even the league. Think Isaiah Rider but taller.
we have nothing
to trade for Cousins that Sacramento, or really anybody else, would want. It is doubtful that Cuz gets traded anyway, and if he does, it almost certainly wouldn’t be to the C’s
"Chemistry is something that you don't just throw in a frying pan and mix it up with another something and throw something on top of that and then fry it up and put in a tortilla and put it in microwave, heat it up, give it to you and expect it to taste good. You know? If y'all don't know what I'm talking about then you can't cook and this doesn't concern you."
by KGHurtYourFeelings on Jan 3, 2012 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
.500!!
I didn’t get to watch the game but based on what I’ve read, Steamer was awesome! I say keep him in the starter to preserve JO’s health ;) Good to know Wilcox is suited up again… I hope we get to see his real game soon. PP with awesome numbers & almost back to his 100% form….
And Sugar Ray…. ’nuf said.
Ya know, Paul looked great, but i wouldn't say he's remotely close to 100% yet.
He looked a little out of sync with the offense for much of the first half, though he closed strong. He looked quick going to the hoop on a couple of plays, but didn’t attack as often as I think he normally would. After the game he basically said as much – happy with the loss but noting the need for all kinds of improvement.
It was good to hear that he and the team are by no means satisfied with just getting this win.
He did do a great job shutting down Rashard Lewis. Held him to 9 meaningless points, keeping him isolated from the Wizard’s offense most of the night.
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These games with non-contender teams are great for his "shaping up" then...
And geez… Rashard Lewis! With the money he earns… wow! What a bust.
When Pietrus suits up, it’s gonna be weeks again for another player to “sink in” to season form… I really hope the 2nd unit gets their groove especially on the offense part… Bass can’t carry the whole load.
another good game for the stiemboat—what a pickup danny.the wizards played much better than before and really wanted this one. rondo was somewhat sloppy with the ball and kg looked anxious with the ball in the 4th- but ray, pp, and bass didn’t. doc needed to play the bench a bit more to rest his fogies. this bass guy is very smooth on offense and his no pass mien doesn’t bother me.
Too many silly turnovers and lack of focus
Wont beat too many legit teams with that effort. PP and Ray played great!
Just can’t shake off the feeling that we weren’t playing as good as we possibly could before the fourth quarter. And all of a sudden, we turn it on in the fourth, and when we started clicking in the fourth (we got the decisive lead), we stopped stepping on the pedal again. Infuriating, but I’ll take the win. Vintage Ray Allen and good job from Stiemsma!
dont discount
playing the same team twice in two nights. when you blow out a team on the road one night its hard to get up for the next game. it felt like they knew if they just kept it close they could pull away at the end and thats just what they did. there will be some frustrating play this season for sure tho.
love for greg
i must say i dogged are bigs saying they were not good but maybe we have something in greg steimsma at least on the defensive end the man can be a intimidating shot blocker all he needs to do is work on his low post game. kind of reminds me of a sean bradley type although bradley was soft and wasnt a good scorer in the n.b.a. cause greg can bang already the boston faithful is taking a liking to him kind of like we did with scal. well i guess the demise of the old celtics is on hold for right now great win tonight boys oh and danny how do you like rondo now the man is the second bestPG next to d. rose so stop these stupid trade talk
lohaus #54
could argue best pg in the league quite easily
by kuekuatsheu on Jan 2, 2012 11:43 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I see more potential than Shawn Bradley, higher ceiling
by kuekuatsheu on Jan 2, 2012 11:44 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I am concerned
A win is a win. I am glad to see this team win three games in a row. However, this win raises several questions and concerns.
This team desperately needs a center. Greg plays well. He can block shots and rebound, but he needs time to develop and contribute regularly. He had 13 points, but let us not forget that this game was played against the Wizards. Can he repeat this performance against the heat? Dwight Howard?
JO played well the past two games, but unfortunately, he is plagued by injuries. This raises a concern. Can we get a center, or two, to solidify our interior defense/offense? Someone who can contribute offensively/defensively on a regular basis?
How about a back-up point guard? DA chose to sign Dooling over west, and based on Dooling’s performance, I must say; DA made a wrong choice. D West is a better scorer. He is also more comfortable at running plays and knows the Celtics system. What can Dooling really do? He has an outside shot, but if you cannot run the plays, back Rondo, and score consistently; he will not be much help.
What about Wilcox? Is he really going to help this team win? How about Marquis and Avery? I cannot excleft much from the rookies, however, by the exception of Bass thus far, our bench has not been consistent. They struggle to score. This will have a huge impact on this team because when the starters are on the bench, the second unit will not be able to score and keep up with the night’s opponent.
Next up: KG. I think KG should retire after this season. He is not playing on the same KG level that we are used to. He passes the ball a lot, tips rebounds, and is just not aggressive.
Rondo; yes. He is bettering his game, but he needs to be more of an offensive threat. Ray and PP have been doing all the scoring for this team, and some help would be great!
We cannot simply continue to be passive – walk the ball up, keep passing, run the clock down, and be forced to put up bad shots. The ball gets passed around from player to another with the hopes of someone being able to create a shot and score. We simply CANNOT win this way.
by Danyck on Jan 2, 2012 10:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Delonte wanted the mini mid level, and we traded for Dooling with the trade exception
So not exactly a matter of choosing Delonte over Dooling. Almost everyone would prefer Delonte 1 to 1, but we used our mini mid level on Wilcox (didn’t like that but what can you do?).
It not just that too I think, its also likely that Doc and co just wanted to give the Bradley project another try. They could’ve signed West even after trading for Dooling and it would’ve worked .
by thatswhatshesaid23 on Jan 3, 2012 1:19 AM EST up reply actions
but
Delonte eventually took the vet min, so he had no leverage and would have taken it eventually
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yeah,
but we have no idea that Delonte wanted to play for the Celtics. And I have the feeling (although no proof whatsoever, total speculation) that the Celtics lockerroom/Doc did not want the guy back.
He has known mental issues, and while I wish him the best, that can be extremely disruptive to a locker room.
And he is one of those guys who will be eternally overrated by C’s fan.
Quite frankly, he was no ball-handler either, and I think Dooling compares favorably to him, not that I’m president of either guy’s fan club
"Chemistry is something that you don't just throw in a frying pan and mix it up with another something and throw something on top of that and then fry it up and put in a tortilla and put it in microwave, heat it up, give it to you and expect it to taste good. You know? If y'all don't know what I'm talking about then you can't cook and this doesn't concern you."
by KGHurtYourFeelings on Jan 3, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with this assessment.
I don’t know enough to say anything about any possible lockerroom issues, but the part about it being possible that the C’s didn’t want him back is reasonable just considering health/dependability issues.
Danny seems to have really emphasized getting guys who have recent history of being able to play a lot of games. Last year’s bench looked great until they all spent long vacations in the training room.
And that really is ultimately what hurt this team more than anything else.
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good point
about durability. And let me stress that I certainly don’t know enough to say anything definitive about locker room issues either, I was merely throwing it out there
"Chemistry is something that you don't just throw in a frying pan and mix it up with another something and throw something on top of that and then fry it up and put in a tortilla and put it in microwave, heat it up, give it to you and expect it to taste good. You know? If y'all don't know what I'm talking about then you can't cook and this doesn't concern you."
by KGHurtYourFeelings on Jan 3, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
Do you guys think it's better to make Steamer the starting center?
…I’m not trying to overreact after his 1 solid all-around game, but it’s more to preserve JO’s health.
No argument here
Keep JOs minutes down the whole season let Stiemsma get more comfortable, even though Stiemsma is flawed he brings some positives that the Celtics really need (Shot blocking, athleticism, youth, etc)
I would not do that with JO
but I would definitely make sure his minutes are closely monitored (+ those of KG,Ray,PP)
Would Make Sense
KG works with a set of spry legs early on and JO comes out to steady Bass & Co.
"Celtics bring order and structure to a chaotic world"
I agree japsuki...
and also think it would be a good move possibly starting the Steamer as I think he can help this team potentially even more then J.O. and since he seems to make a nice defensive duo when teamed with KG.
I also think since J.O. will miss games this year (like back to back games and maybe some due to injury) by starting Greg it will allow the starting unit to have more cohesiveness and chemistry compared since the Steamer will likely be physically able to play in most games unlike JO at his age and with his past medical history who will probably be in and out of the lineup all year long.
Also by moving JO to the bench it will allow him to match up against 2nd string centers instead of the starters which should I assume help his game and productivity.
Ray is such a phenomenon!
You can see, even as one of the older players in the league, Ray is still in better shape than anyone.
Most guys are still rounding into form, while Ray is always in form. I wonder if he’ll keep it though.
" Hell yeah I'm trying to gain an advantage out here. If you can't handle it, get off the court."- Kevin Garnett
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by KG's Knee on Jan 2, 2012 11:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions
there was once were ray was talking about his off season workout
he continuously runs on his bikes, and hits at the gym everyday,
he said he made his regiment even tougher this off-season to stay in shape during the lockout.
with regard to how someone like steimsma falls through the cracks,
Might it be that he is caucasian and from the US? If he was from Germany he might have been drafted
He can make a 10-14 foot jumper..and he is confident in it. It seems he can make free throws. He can box out and rebound. He seems to have good hands. He rotates well when going after shots around the rim…he has looked a little lost at times guarding pick and rolls or baseline passes. He runs the floor. he is big and sturdy, strong and mobile.
Incredible that he is this good, it really is
A hint of racism in there
by kuekuatsheu on Jan 2, 2012 11:47 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
well, let's not forget
that he never did anything but block shots. His numbers were weak in college, and even in the D-League(again, shot blocking excluded)
Regardless, I’m glad he did slip through the cracks, and I’m glad he’s a C, since he’s obviously the next Bill Russell
"Chemistry is something that you don't just throw in a frying pan and mix it up with another something and throw something on top of that and then fry it up and put in a tortilla and put it in microwave, heat it up, give it to you and expect it to taste good. You know? If y'all don't know what I'm talking about then you can't cook and this doesn't concern you."
by KGHurtYourFeelings on Jan 3, 2012 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
in college
The Wisconsin system avoided using the C on offense. Stiemsma then took it upon himself to improve his shot the last three years.
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by mmmmm on Jan 3, 2012 11:53 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Organizational Player
I think the Steamer is more of an organizational player. The coach gives him a role and he does it without complaint. I remember Steisma in college and he had a nice stroke, he rebounded and blocked shots. His other stops appear to be the same thing. He doesn’t have star potential, so coaches use him to file specific roles.
What I’ve seen from him, I very impressed. He definitely defends the rim. He can rebound and can shoot. I even like what I see from him inside. Although he’s not post-up center, he does attack the rim and goes up strong. And he keeps the ball up high.
The reason he is excelling (so far) is that the Celtics is that want him to shoot when he’s open. It’s a eye opening proposition on many players when you are on a team that is so UNSELFISH!!! Like Ray said, on some teams all they want you to do is swing the ball and get out of the way.
He seems to be a find, but (using a baseball analogy) they have started throwing curve balls.
That foul on Bass
I’m tired of seeing officials try to take over games down the stretch with questionable and bogus calls especially at home. I wasn’t worried because our finishers were in there but the games should be decided by teams not refs.
Credit to the Wizards for showing some grit and competing, but our guys have so much fourth quarter experience that a young team simply won’t have enough if we want the win.
he did at times
at other times he was getting blocked and pressured with double teams that knew that he is ultra hesitant to pass – so he ended up making some forced throws or taking it up into triple coverage
everyone knows the scouting report on No Pass Bass, so as teams get more familiar with playing us (like on a back to back like tonight or say the playoffs) there will be challenges for him to get better about that
but for the most part, I liked what I saw from him (and I’m a big fan of the trade)
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It was a fantastic trade because:
BB was a unrestricted free agent. He was not coming back here under any conditions – unless he was vastly overpaid. So Danny got something for nothing…and the nothing turned out to be Bass who already looks much better then the departed fat one.
I'm not the Devil's Advocate but I consiider him a close friend
There was definitely one double-team that he made a nice pass out of
But his shot was sweet.
It was interesting seeing him play with the Big 4 starters at the end of regulation
I also thought when he came in with the bench unit that he was the focus of the scoring.
Progress
Good to see the Celtics pull out a tougher than expected victory tonight at home. Any wins on the 2nd night of back to back games is good for this veteran group.
Ray is amazing with keeping up his energy level even in back to back games. His example shows why it isn’t unrealistic to expect even veteran teams to play well on consecutive nights.
Concerned with how Blatche and McGee largely had their way against the Celtic defense. Not used to seeing an opponent’s PF and C score and rebound so easily on the same night.
Overall it’s 3 straight wins with many positive signs developing. Celtics need to keep improving and capitalize on this early season run of games at home…
From Doc Rivers 12/28/11 --- "I just thought we played tired," Rivers said. "We looked old tonight."
Seems like
Mcghee was making mostly short range hook shots. When a man that big, who can jump that high has his back to basket and makes hook shots…..no one is gonna stop him.
No one would be more shocked about Blache’s performance then the Wiz fans. It was a career night for him and probably won’t happen again this year. And it wasn’t layups. He was hitting from deep.
I'm not the Devil's Advocate but I consiider him a close friend
Agree completely.
If McGhee ever really figures out and understands his potential, he could be frighteningly good. He is an athletic monster. In theory, he, Wall and Blatche have enough raw talent to be a hell of a threesome. But Blatche has a two-cent head and Flip is just a bad coach and they don’t really have much surrounding support.
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i don't think so
Celtics’ 2nd unit is not that strong yet even against the wizards.
by kheldar52077 on Jan 3, 2012 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
Considering it was the 2nd game of a back to back, against a young team, it was a good win.
Although I couldn’t watch it, I was happy to see the results, not knowing what to expect. The results likely could have gone the other way against an elite team, so chalk up an important win.
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Ray said he was sick and still killed it tonight wow!
by Blackberry33 on Jan 3, 2012 12:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Steady progress
KG — is on an upward curve. Still a step slow on D sometimes, but much improved over the first 3 games. His offense: much, much better. Fighting for rebounds more too. I think we can expect him to continue improving, and health permitting, maybe hit the playoffs at peak.
Stiemsma — no question, he looks like a bona fide found nugget. He still gets pushed around in the post sometimes, but I’ve also seen him stand his ground and push back. Steamer could end up making a difference this season, he really could.
Ray, Rondo: ‘nuf said. PP steadily improving. Dooling will always be pretty bad at PG, but seems to understand his job (shoot the ball). Love Avery’s D, which is truly great… now if he could just learn how to score occasionally.
Team as a whole seemed to lose focus at times in this game, especially on D. But they gathered themselves when it counted to seal the deal.
There is reason to hope that by the time games start to really count, assuming they’re healthy, this team will have ironed out the kinks and will be ready for the best the league has to offer. If we could pick up a true backup PG and one more reasonably reliable big, so much the better.
I don't think the problem is KG being a step slow on D
I think the problems in our interior D are mis-timed help rotations behind him.
Whomever is playing the post behind KG is supposed to block out his man until the last possible instant (to prevent the dump pass) when someone is driving and then has to have quick feet to step in for the charge or to help swallow up the attacker. This takes timing and a sense to read KG’s position to know when KG has to yield in order to avoid the foul. If they go to early, the attacker sees it and dumps to the (now open) man near the post. If they go too late then they get called for the foul and possibly surrender a 3 pt play.
Watching these first 6 games, in each game I’ve literally been able to count at least 4-5 such missed rotations by everyone from JO to Wilcox to Bass to Stiemsma. That’s huge because each of those such mistakes costs about 2 points. This is a correctable problem with more practice and experience together.
Also, don’t dismiss just the sheer athleticism of McGhee – when he’s leaping that high and making that hook shot – not much anyone can do. And Blatche had one of his bizarre out-of-nowhere games where he suddenly can shoot from all over the place. So a little credit needs to go the Wizard’s way here.
I agree about Avery’s D – he was fun to watch. I think on offense even though he didn’t score I liked a couple of things I saw him do when he drove to the hoop, but he needs to not hesitate and attack those gaps just a split second earlier. That, too, should improve with time and confidence. Yesterday was a good game for him because Doc gave him some long run on the floor and he did a great job pestering Wall.
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glad Bradley got some long run
His D is stellar, definitely NBA level talent. But he needs to visit the SouthernOracle.
by kuekuatsheu on Jan 3, 2012 11:12 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Agree about the team D errors
I noticed the missed rotations too. But there were also a couple/three times when KG just lost his man, through no one’s fault but his own. (Though of course, I might have missed something in watching the tape.) KG’s making clear progress…. but I think he’s not there yet, especially when he’s tired. But then….. that’s to be expected given his age.
The good news is that when the playoffs come, there are no back-to-backs. (At least, there better not be!) So in one sense, this team might be implementing the 09-10 strategy of saving it for the playoffs…. knowingly or not. If ever there was a season when that made sense, this is it.
I agrre need a true p as back but...
if we get another big mans steamroller will never get playing time and i really like this rookie is like if are luck it turning around
With JO's injury history......
Another big won’t be a bad idea. But it should be a defensive big.
I would assume JO would be one of the pieces moved
So steamer would not be buried
by kuekuatsheu on Jan 3, 2012 11:14 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Another solid victory.
Boston was messing around for 3 quarters and started to really play ball at the latter part of the 4th. Solid win given Boston’s dubious history on back to backs.
I hope
they can build a good lead on the next game so Jajuan and Moore can play. Stiemsma already had confidence playing at this level. needs to learn more from KG.
atm i would rather have kg menter stemsma than jjj
JJJ has a lot of potential but his not gone get playing time anytime soon so get KG to teach stemroller the ropes can give us more offense stemroller than we have we can see this type of performs more often GO STIEMSMA WAS ALWAYS OPTIMISTIC FROM THE BEING
Stiemsma!
I think he should start a lot more now that JO is sore (once again)..
big credit to the refs for seeing that Lewis play right
Steimsma did a great job going across Lewis and coming down to his left, making only very marginal contact. Lewis did what good players do- he got as tangled as possible and pulled Steimsma down to try to get a call. That was a very hard call to make, but I think the refs got it right.
Yep. They did get that one correct.
Unfortunately, they later blew a call when one of the Wizards (Blatche?) dove into Bass from beyond the 3PT line, resulting in a bogus foul and 3 free throws.
Overall, the last few games have had fewer whistles than the first few games and that has generally been a good thing.
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Ray Allen...
is shooting an absurd 61.1% from beyond the arc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That’s just insane.
Sadly, it probably means that a slump is due at some point. So hopefully one of our other guys will get equally hot to compensate.
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I don't think
that anything indicates a slump is coming. Definitely a regression towards the mean, but Ray’s mean is pretty solid.
It’s like if you flip a coin and it lands on heads 5 times in a row, it is a common logical fallacy to assume that the 6th flip is more likely to be tails, but the odds remain the same.
It is most likely that he will continue shoot around 40%, his career average, in the future, not 30% so that it evens out.
Of course, I’m no mathematician, but that is how i understand it.
"Chemistry is something that you don't just throw in a frying pan and mix it up with another something and throw something on top of that and then fry it up and put in a tortilla and put it in microwave, heat it up, give it to you and expect it to taste good. You know? If y'all don't know what I'm talking about then you can't cook and this doesn't concern you."
by KGHurtYourFeelings on Jan 3, 2012 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
By 'slump' I do mean regression.
But to regress from 61% back down to a more realistic mean of 40% unfortunately may require enduring a big cold streak along the way. Even Ray is not immune to slumps. Just as he has hot streaks like he’s going through now, he also has gone through periods where he has shot well below his norms. That’s not logical fallacy – that’s simply probability. Not certainty. Just probability.
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While it is a pointless discussion
allow me to indulge myself, just for poops(is that ok celticsblog?) and giggles. Just for the sake of good-natured debate and because I am bored
Ray Allen is a 40% 3-point shooter. Logically speaking, he is likely to shoot 40% going forward.
His recent hot streak is no indicator that he will shoot worse in the future. Past aberrations do affect future probability.
So yes, everyone has slumps, and I don’t think he will shoot 60% for the rest of the season. But the most logical conclusion is that he will, from this point forward, shoot 40%
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by KGHurtYourFeelings on Jan 3, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
No. That is the most 'probable' conclusion. LOL!
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touche!
the most logical conclusion is that I should quit pretending I know what I’m talking about.
But if I know me, it isn’t the most probable. lol.
"Chemistry is something that you don't just throw in a frying pan and mix it up with another something and throw something on top of that and then fry it up and put in a tortilla and put it in microwave, heat it up, give it to you and expect it to taste good. You know? If y'all don't know what I'm talking about then you can't cook and this doesn't concern you."
by KGHurtYourFeelings on Jan 3, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Good point about regression to mean
His past 40% mark INCLUDES his past slumps. For his whole season to regress to a past mean would mean an even bigger-than-typical slump for him, and there’s no reason to think that will happen just because he’s on a hot streak now.
The most likely eventuality now is that he will end the season with a higher % than his past mean.
He needs to be signed until he is 42
by kuekuatsheu on Jan 3, 2012 11:18 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yea Rays shooting % is insane...
I think alot has to do with the fact its early in the season and his legs and ankles are fresh and probably injury free.
Lets hope the condensed season plus many back to back games do not catch up to Ray and cause any major fatigue or injury issues to his legs and ankles, which is basically the only thing that has historically negatively effected his shooting % over his career.
Nice veteran win.
Good to see the C’s come on strong at the end & finish the Wiz out. Great shooting from Ray & Paul. Plus solid games from KG & Rondo. Stiemsma is a nice change of pace guy for Doc. At this point he looks like a legit option for 20mpg.
Bass continues to impress. He’s really an upgrade over Baby. He can actually take his man off the dribble from the top of the key, which you’d never guess looking at him. I could never figure out why Dallas valued him so highly (they marked him as ‘untouchable’ at one point.) Now I see why. He’s got a solid post game, a jumper & fights for boards inside. Those players are rare these days…
On the other side. the Wiz have some talent & capable bigs. Wall needs to mature though. He’s talented & athletic, but he’s not a great playmaker yet. If that core stays together, they could put it together in the next couple of seasons…
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