Trade Idea of the Day: Bring Back Joe Johnson
by Jeff Clark on Jan 22, 2012 9:23 PM EST
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PrintIf only the Celtics could have sent Kedrick Brown to the Suns instead of Joe Johnson all those ages ago, things might have gone a little differently. Then again, since we got Banner 17, I'm not complaining. Still, Johnson will forever be one of the ones that got away.
Now he's a vastly overpaid but still very good player that the Hawks would probably not mind getting rid of in a salary dump. Kevin Garnett's deal matches up and might be enough to get it done. And if he could be convinced to show up, he might even be able to teach Josh Smith and Al Horford a few good lessons before he retires.
(more after the poll and break)
I can't say that I'm crazy about this idea myself, but finding matches for a guy that makes KG's money is hard work. Besides, Rondo is a bargain, so going forward spending a little extra on a guy like Joe Johnson might actually be justified.
On the other hand, it kind of smells too much like the Pistons throwing cap space at Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva to me. I think Johnson is on the decline (he's been in the league 10 years!) and will be making $24M when he's 34 years old. So ultimately I'd pass on this idea.
(Waiting to hear the "you picked the wrong Hawk, we need to go after Josh Smith" comment in 3, 2, 1...)
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only on day 2
and I already don’t like my own ideas LOL
this is going to be tough
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So far next years team will be.. rondo, Joe Johnson, Rudy gay… is a ray Allen and bass for al Jefferson next?
I agree
NO Joe Johnson, you said it yourself he’s a very good player, You don’t pay max money to very good playersm especially if the are 30+.
Let’s see what’s going on with Philly around the trade deadline. They might be interested in dumping Elton Brand and throw is a sweetener, maybe Even Turner (probably a pipe dream. Although Philly would have jumped at that deal last year.
Johnson's already on the decline
He’s on the wrong side of 30 and is signed to a huge contract. Unless we’re dealing Ray Allen for a top notch big man (which seems unlikely), this doesn’t make much sense. Rondo, Johnson, and Pierce is a great backcourt but we’ll have Bass and JO or similar scraps in the frontcourt and I don’t think we’ll be anything more than what the Hawks are now – a decent regular season team but a notch below the real contenders.
HAY!
You picked the wrong Hawk, we need to go after Josh Smith.
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if all that atlanta gets is cap room why wouldnt they amnesty him?
by JuJuan some moore on Jan 22, 2012 9:43 PM EST reply actions
so then why would we do it?
yeah hes a good player but if the hawks are wiling to just give him away like this then that means they really dont want him. if thats the case hes not going to be any better here. we should wait and see if they amnesty him and we can get him much cheaper or go after a cheaper free agent who is worth the money.
side note if we amnesty a player when can we resign him or are we restricted from signing a player we amnestied
by JuJuan some moore on Jan 22, 2012 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
read the whole thing
I talked myself out of it by the end of the post
in fact, I think I’m developing a deeper meaning behind these posts – ie. what’s the point?
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youre right i did stop reading
i started saying why why why so i skipped to the comments section but i see what you meant now
by JuJuan some moore on Jan 23, 2012 6:38 AM EST up reply actions
Garnett for Joe not a good trade
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=72hxdhs
Lakers get cap space for Dwight Howard
We need Center Guy's
Jermaine O’Neal for JaVale McGee and Ronny Turiaf
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6sxqju7
This trade is possible business wise :D
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Why not make a play for Kevin Love? If not via free agency then just trade up?
by The green mamba on Jan 22, 2012 10:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions
no way Wolves give up Love
we don’t have the assets to trade for him and they’ll match any restricted free agent offer for him
but yeah, he’d be nice
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With all the teams going for DH maybe we can sneak him away from the TWolves.
by The green mamba on Jan 22, 2012 10:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions
If the Magic decide not trade Howard and the Knicks decide to make a run at him and Deron
KG and allen, for amare and chandler, pierce for gay, draft austin rivers, re-sign bass, pietrus, green. Lots of ifs and a little crazy, sounds good to me :)
I dont think any of the knick player fit our system.
Yeah the knicks are a prime example that young stars dont make a championship contender its all about making pieces work.
by The green mamba on Jan 22, 2012 10:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I thought the same thing when the Hawks resigned Joe Johnson that I thought when the Knicks resigned Allan Houston back in the day
A grossly overpaid guard/forward, I don’t understand the logic and I would hate for the Celtic’s to be picking up the tab on that move. He’s a good player, but his best days are behind him and he just isn’t worth the crippling contract.
A realistic move is...
As many people have been suggesting, just get a bunch of draft picks and a few young players in return if you don’t want to hurt the salary cap. That would be a real rebuilding process and would be painful as hell.
A realistic move is...
As many people have been suggesting, just get a bunch of draft picks and a few young cheap players in return if you don’t want to hurt the salary cap. That would be a real rebuilding process and would be painful as hell, though. If you’re Danny, you’ve got to be patient and wait for the best offers, so this will probably go down the line after allstar break.
Can the C's sign...
Roy Hibbert? He is 7’2, young, and can solidify the middle on the offensive and defensive side.
For a Hibbert back-up, how about Marcus Camby? He can do what the Celtics have nor been able to do well this year: rebound and block shots.
Free Agents: Eric Gordon? O.J Mayo?
by Danyck on Jan 22, 2012 11:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
-I like Hibbert as a plan b to Howard, but he will be a restricted free agent. Camby makes to much money – $12.9 million this year.
by forever_green on Jan 22, 2012 11:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He would have been part of a trade to either the Wolves for Garnett or the Sonics for Allen.
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by Army_of_One_Nation(Celtic's Nation) on Jan 22, 2012 11:19 PM EST reply actions
No, run away screaming from this
I’ll even tear my hair out! seriously we need a C or PF that can control the boards.
if we are blowing iy up and trading all of the big 3 then i have a few ideas.
1: ray allen to the t’wolves for brad miller, anthony randoplh and a future pick.
wolves get the veteran leadership they need and a good scorer for their young up and coming team.
we add an aging center with a team option for next year, a young big who can play 3 spots and a tradable pick down the line.
2: JO and the clippers pick to the grizzlies for OJ mayo.
grizz get a defensive center to back up gasol. we all know they are all defense.
mayo would give us more offense, youth and playmaking ability.
3: KG is hard to trade but the raptors have been trying to trade bargnani for the last year and a half. would they take KG to get out from under the last 3 years of bargnani’s deal? he makes $9m this year, $10m and then 2 years at $11m i believe. a third team would need to be involved. havent figured that out…preferably it would be an expiring deal
bargnani would give us a 7 footer who can run and score if we are going run run run. and makes rondo money so not bank breaking.
4: pierce to the rockets for either dalembert or thebaeet (both have team options for next season) likely thabeet, one of marcus morris, patrick peterson or terrence williams and our choice of the rockets or knicks 1st round pick this year.
rockets get the star player they’ve been lacking and shoot make them a much better team.
we essentially get out from almost all of pierces contract, add a better pick than the clippers pick and a decent young player.
now randolph and mayo have qualifying offers but even if we sign them we should still have the money to sign a max player and a decent bench player. if bass opts out we would have about $8m to spend on draft picks and FA’s after a max player is added.
by craziness@analltimehigh on Jan 23, 2012 1:16 AM EST reply actions
That’s a lot of ifs, ands, & buts with a little craiziness.
by forever_green on Jan 23, 2012 1:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
well isnt that all we are doing anyways?
throwing out ideas
by craziness@analltimehigh on Jan 23, 2012 1:44 AM EST up reply actions
as far as the memphis trade goes
why would the give up mayo for a pick around 22nd? yeah they are going to lose mayo at the end of the season but they are championship contenders this season… if anything they would want ray allen to take the place of mayo also.
as far as the rockets go pierce is not going to the rockets he has a no trade clause and it seems like hes probably not going to go to a rebuilding team.
i like the idea of getting a future pick from minnesota but at the same time they arent exactly contending for the title this year so why would they rent ray allen for half a season to get rid of a pick? they get a worse pick this year if they win 5 more games or whatever with allen and they lose a pick they gain nothing
by JuJuan some moore on Jan 23, 2012 4:09 AM EST up reply actions
For Grizzlies (and JO) it actually makes sense. The problem for the Celtics is that he is the starting center. If he was the backup, I think he would be really good. Grizzlies need that with several bigs gone down. But why would we do it? No true center now and giving up a pick in a deep draft?
Pierce does not have a no trade clause. Only Kobe and Dirk have that, noone else in the league.
Minnesota does not own their own pick this year, so they might just as well see, if there is any way they can push for a playoff spot with an expiring contract. Still not worth it, I agree, but it is David Kahn running that show :)
by European NBA fan on Jan 23, 2012 6:27 AM EST up reply actions
hes hardly a starting center
he should be a backup but yes it would hurt losing him. we arent a playoff team so losing our center just moves us up in the draft. the problem is i dont see the grizzz giving up their shooting guard just before a playoff run for another big to sit behind randolph and gasol. i think if they traded mayo they would want multiple draft picks because they cant really go after free agents with all the contracts they just signed so filling in with rookies then giving them bird rights in a few years seems smart but if all they get is a 20-24 pick then i think they would rather keep mayo and sign him with bird rights
many many people have posted that he has a no trade clause. i dont want to call you a liar or anything but do you have a source for that?
as for minnesota i doubt that adding ray allen makes them a playoff team but whatever if you can get a future first round pick for allen go for it
by JuJuan some moore on Jan 23, 2012 6:44 AM EST up reply actions
Source
Mayo is a backup (behind Tony Allen), and it’s easier to find a sg than a capable big man. And with Z-Bo out, they could use some help to keep Marc Gasol fresh for the playoffs. Not saying they should do it, but the reasons are there.
Other people have said, that PP does not have a clause, so there has been a lot of confusion. The source I refer to is Shamsports.com. He usually has all the contract details down. You can also find the real salaries there.
I agree that it is a longshot indeed for the T’Wolves, they just don’t have that much to lose.
by European NBA fan on Jan 23, 2012 7:11 AM EST up reply actions
Ray Allen Injury
Did anyone else re-watch the injury? It wasn’t a knee hit, he twisted his ankle pretty bad. Hope it’s nothing serious we really need him.
Joe Johnson's contract is a joke
Joe Johnson has nowhere to go but down, and he wasn’t a maximum contract guy to begin with. It isn’t as bad as Rashard Lewis getting the max but it isn’t that far off. The Celtics would not be able to win a championship with that huge contract taking up so much space for years and only Joe Johnson to show for it.
I actually think it's more crippling than Lewis' contract
because he is just too good to let go and play for your money on another team, but he is still crippling your team long term with that deal. Lewis could be amnestied and you would only be sad about the ton of money, you gave him.
by European NBA fan on Jan 23, 2012 6:33 AM EST up reply actions
yeah,
I didn’t hate the Rudy Gay idea, but this one is pretty terrible. JJ might have the worst contract in the NBA.
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by KGHurtYourFeelings on Jan 23, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
how about gilbert arenas?
he’s not that bad, and we could use him instead of pavlovic
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