Thoughts on the Lakers loss
There are a few troubling trends that continue to haunt the Celtics. The Lakers game highlighted two of these negative trends: poor rebounding and offensive stagnation. I know the Lakers are long and tall, but to give up 15 offensive rebounds, leading directly to 24 second-chance points, is embarrassing and the direct reason for why they lost and [Bold Statement Alert!] why they're not likely to win a championship. You can't teach size, but you can teach boxing out, and KG and Allen need to be the first two in class. All game I was telling my fiancée that the Celtics should be up by 15 points, but they couldn't pull away because they couldn't control the glass. All those tip-ins and rebound And-1s killed the Celtics. There were three plays in particular where the Celtics' superb defense forced the Lakers into three falling-away long shots as the shot clock ran down (one by Gasol), and each time there were three Lakers surrounding the basket, basically boxing out their Boston counterparts. On the defensive glass there is no excuse for being boxed out by an offensive player. Those three plays resulted in a Gasol tip-in, a Matt Barnes follow-up, and a Bynum tip-in And-1. That's 7 points right there, and those came following superb defensive efforts by the team. The final rebounding numbers were 55 to 45, but I'd say that contested rebounds (where both teams went for the ball) were 10 to 1 in the Lakers' favor.
Rebounding cost them the game, but it wasn't the only negative Celtics' habit that reared its ugly little head. Since 2008, this team has been prone to long offensive droughts keyed by a lack of ball movement, a breakdown of the offensive set, or the lack of anyone other than Pierce being able to create their own shot. This is where Rondo being more like Nash or Paul or Westbrook would be helpful. All four guys can dish the ball for an assist, but only Rondo lacks the ability to hit the open shot on rotation or when the defense completely ignores him. The Lakers were completely ignoring Rondo in the 4th quarter, but instead of driving fearlessly into the lane, he pulled up for last-second jumper after last-second jumper. He bricked them all. That is not an offensive strategy that will get the team far come playoff time. It's amazing how just like in past games against the Lakers, Rondo went from being a force in the first half, attacking the basket and dishing assists, to being a non-entity in the second half. The only difference being that the Lakers decided to ignore him and pack the lane (Kobe technically was guarding him, but was never within five feet). With that defensive strategy employed, it's very difficult for the Celtics to get any semblance of an offensive flow. Doc, who I have criticized before for a lack of offensive creativity, needs to do something to fix this problem. The easiest solution would be to teach Rondo how to hit shots consistently - not even threes, just 12-footers. [Wait! I thought I wasn't going to talk about Rondo anymore?] The Celtics can win a lot of games with their defense, but when they match up with an equally talented defense, they're at a huge disadvantage, even in the East. The Bulls, Heat, Pacers, and 76ers all have multiple players who can create their own offense when the called set fails. The Celtics have one - Pierce, and he's going to have off nights. One game does not define a team, but it can highlight good and bad tendencies. I saw a lot I didn't like in that Lakers game. I'm sure Doc and the team did too.
The team isn't likely to shoot 39.2% very often, with the Big-3 combining to go 22 of 61, but against team's with length KG and his under-sized backups will suffer, and against physical defenders like Artest, Barnes, and Kobe, Pierce and Allen will suffer. Simply being tall and closing out on a jump-shooter affects the shot. A shooter knows when he has to shoot over length and it alters the angle of the shot. KG's shot looked off all day, rushed and often taken further from the basket than usual. He seemed to have one foot on the three-point line during each shot. The Lakers even affected his layups and dunks at the rim. KG's 6 for 23 day was a direct result of the Lakers' bigs being tall, long, and quick. Can the C's do anything to circumvent that Lakers' advantage? I don't think they can. KG and Bass just need to put themselves in better position to get off a clean shot, they have to attack the rim rather than finesse the rim, and they have to box out their men to grab rebounds. No one in the NBA guards Pierce quite like Artest. He's big enough, quick enough, and ‘handsy' enough to be all over Pierce from the get-go to the closing seconds. There is really no way around this - Artest can be a great one-on-one defender when he wants to be; against Pierce, he usually wants to be. Doc either has to set some more screens for Pierce or Pierce needs to do a much better job of getting to his spots before he gets the ball. Pierce can shoot over Artest from the free-throw line in, but it's much more difficult for him to get around Artest to get off a shot. Pierce at the top of the key with Artest draped over him is not a successful approach. Allen actually had a fine game, coming off a number of picks and nailing a number of big shots. But, Allen can be physically taken out of a game, and for spurts Matt Barnes, of all people, seemed to knock Allen off his game. He played the best of the Big-3, but Allen's not the type of player to carry a team with a 30-point effort. The Celtics spread the offense around, and the Lakers simply took away two key components (KG and Pierce).
Wouldn't it have been nice to have a true 7-footer like Przybilla out there last night? He could have banged for fifteen minutes with guys like Bynum and Gasol, and he certainly would have grabbed some of those boards that Gasol and Bynum seemed to endlessly tip in the air for fun before finishing off a put-back. Ainge needs to offer Przybilla a contract immediately. This team craves size.
The refs, in an odd turnaround, let the guards play physically, but cracked down in the post. Since the Celtics don't attack the basket, they suffered by only shooting 5 free throws the entire game. 5!!! That's almost unheard of. The Lakers shot 20, with almost all of them coming in the paint (and on And-1s) - 6 for Bynum, 5 for Kobe on drives, and (this is insulting) 6 for Barnes on drives and put-backs. Almost nothing was called on the perimeter, which allowed Artest, Barnes, and Kobe to be as physical as possible with Allen and Pierce. In truth, the C's got away with a few hard fouls on Bryant (which was nice to see!), but it was more than made up for by the times Bynum got to the line on And-1s. I tell the guys on my League team, if you're going to foul someone near the basket, foul them so they don't get the ball above their shoulders. The C's let Bynum get off put-back after put-back. I know he outweighs everyone on the team, but... well, I'll tell you one thing, Perk wouldn't have let him do that all night.
One final note: I know some of you will disagree, but I did not like seeing Celtics players helping Lakers players off the floor. Jermaine did it once with Kobe, and it was even referenced by the TNT analysis guys. Sportsmanship be damned, Celtics players do NOT help Lakers players off the floor. You're playing to win the game and suck the soul out of the other team, not be buddies. Let his teammates help Kobe off the floor. Jermaine should be standing shoulder-to-shoulder with Celtics, glaring down at Kobe after sending him to the floor with a hard foul.
Was the Lakers game the end-all of the season? Absolutely not. I'm not writing off the Celtics, by any means. But, this game did reveal a few truths that we all know are there, regardless of win streaks or playoff positioning. The Celtics are a poor rebounding team and they suffer from offensive droughts. Nothing has changed from recent seasons. Can this team win a title while suffering in those two key areas? It definitely makes it more difficult. I'll leave it at that for now.
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refer to my reply on post ""last Second shots / plays on this blog. I think you would agree.
Forgot one thing. (And it's Rondo-related)
His defensive gambling repeatedly allowed 31-year-old Steve Blake to enter the paint with his dribble going and all options open. Many times, Rondo wasn’t even picked. He simply shifted too far from Blake to half-deny or half-double team another player, and Blake dribbled right into the paint. This led to a couple of alley-oop tips and open cuts to the basket, as another defender had to come off his man to assist Rondo with Blake.
Unless Doc specifically calls for a double-team, like he did the other night against Carmelo, then Rondo HAS TO STAY IN FRONT OF HIS MAN.
His defensive gambling too often hurts this team, not always by his man hitting an open shot, but by affecting the defensive rotations. It’s rarely KG’s or JO’s fault that their guys get alley-oops. It’s often because they had to step off their guy to stop Rondo’s guy.
In my opinion, it’s Rondo’s excessive pride in his defensive abilities that cause this. Doc and the other players need to tell him to stop doing it.
LA’s PG combined 2 – 14, 5 pts, they had less assists than rondo, his guy wasn’t killing them.
His help D Is part of what makes him affective in games, can he pick and choose better? Yeah. But you can’t have him completely stop. And the lakers don’t have a deadly 3 point shooters so its not a bad idea to go help when a bynum or gasol have the ball. It showed when bynum didn’t understand how to play vs double teams..
The offense struggles in the second unit cause they don’t move the ball as well, Moore doesn’t know enough plays. Bradley doesn’t have that in his game. That’s even what TNT analyst said.
When a PG is allowed to roam into the lane...
It causes all sorts of defensive rotation issues. That PG may not end up with two points or an assist, but the rotation issues can lead to multi-pass open layups and weak side open threes.
Gasol’s 3 assists all came on passes from a PG, which he then swung to a wide-open Bynum.
Defensive rotations don’t stop after one pass. When KG steps up to cut off Rondo’s man in the paint, JO has to swing to pickup KG’s man, then Pierce has to shift down to pick up JO’s man, and Allen has to cover both his guy and Pierce’s on the weak side. Mismatches are caused. Intelligent offensive players (like Kobe and Gasol) take advantage of this. It’s their job to. It all begins with Rondo being out of position. Doc was not calling for him to double-team last night. You can tell because Rondo wouldn’t fully commit to it like he did against NY. He was half-assing it back and forth.
If you swing this onto the Celtics’ offense, us fans (and Doc) love it when Rondo penetrates the lane because it results in all sorts of opportunities for our offense.
And, it works against the team when Rondo allows his man to get into the paint.
Yes, ball movement with the second unit is an issue. But, who was on the court for the final six minutes of the game and the overtime period? The starters. The lack of ball movement during that time rests on them, not the second unit occupying the bench.
I'm sorry, but any suggestion that Fisher or Blake were particularly effective is a stretch
other than the 3PT rainbow shot by Blake late in the game, both were pretty much non-factors while Rondo was in there, Fisher especially. Blake had a brief stretch of more effective play while E’Twaun was in. And that was it. If Bradley had been healthy, likely Blake’s numbers would have been as bad as Fisher’s. As it is, they were nothing.
Complaining about our defense in this game is also on very shaky ground. The Lakers shot less than 40%. That is not a sign that our defense – including Rondo – was a problem.
Offensively, Rondo can’t shoot the ball for KG. KG just had a cold shooting night. Rondo and Pierce both dished to him for wide open looks on shots he normally makes. He just missed. If he makes just 3 of those 9 straight misses, then suddenly Rondo has a double-double.
Yes, we had trouble attacking the paint. Part of that was adjustments by the Lakers. Part of that was just poor half-court execution by the Celtics. But even with those problems, its important to note that our starters (including Rondo) still out-played the Lakers while on the floor. They were collectively all positive for this game.
We lost the game when the Lakers blew past our bench. Sure, our starters made it close and ‘had a chance to win the game’. But the only reason it was close was because our bench coughed it up. E’Twaun had a miserable game and Bass just got schooled like a little boy by Gasol.
NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.
10000 agree… the odd part of the season is we STILL don’t know what a full & healthy squad can do. They are just getting in to shape. And minor injuries have hurt them all season…. which if your Bradley, Moore, stiemsma, Wilcox, johnson that’s great cause now doc has seen what you can do. But if your daniels or dooling you have to be concerned. If Danny ainge makes a deal I hope it involves daniels, dooling & JO for 2 BIG bodies.. pryzbilla would be a welcomed sight (but I doubt it) but if they can move those 3 for a camby or some one like that I would feel better. Let’s bring camby home to New England!
I never said either Lakers PG was effective.
I said that allowing any PG to enter the paint with his dribble negatively affects the defensive rotations. And, it’s not always the first pass. In the NBA, it’s often the second or third pass that finds the weakest spot in the defense. Rondo’s continued gambling at the perimeter allowed for weak spots to open in the defense. And, to correct someone who mentioned that Rondo was double-teaming Bynum and so on, the half-assed double-teams I’m referring to all took place on the perimeter, before the ball left the PG’s hands. Rondo was jumping over to double guys on the perimeter before the initial pass was even made. He was also very lazy getting around picks on the screen-and-roll.
Honestly, the Celtics should have win last night’s game 88-71. Rebounding played a role, as did offensive stagnation. But, Rondo’s gambling on defense also played a role in weakening our interior defense.
And, the Lakers didn’t destroy our bench. Last night’s game accounted for the highest total of minutes our starters have played all season. Not counting the 5 minute overtime, our starters’ regulation-time minutes were well over their season averages. And, they didn’t play those extra minutes because our bench was noneffective. Bass and Wilcox played quite well considering they’re both massively out-sized by Gasol and Bynum. Bass is only 6’8" and he grabbed five rebounds, incl. three offensive. Doc decided not to rest our guards much, probably because Moore is young and everyone else was injured, but Moore played fine while he was out there. Pietrus is doing a great job of replicating Sheed’s productivity – 3 for 9 with 3 big threes.
moore had a great game i thought
there were three times i counted where he got the ball to someone wide open and they simply missed the shot. twice with garnett and once with pierce. if those go in his line looks like 9 minutes 4 assists 1 rebound 1 missed shot no turnovers
by JuJuan some moore on Feb 10, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
I like E'Twaun a ton - but that was not a 'great game' for him at all.
NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.
i mean by his standards it was probably his third best game of the season
no great by other players standards though
by JuJuan some moore on Feb 10, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
He should get some minutes tonight.
Hopefully he’ll have a stronger showing. ’Maybe drop a few 3s on the Raptors.
Then, of course, a chorus of ‘Replace Rondo with E’Twaun!" posts will sprout up …
NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.
im the biggest moore fan out there but i dont think he will ever be a starting PG but he does have a future if we get a pg that isnt a pure passer and him and moore share the duties then i think he will be extremely effective
by JuJuan some moore on Feb 10, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
that is really not saying much
He had a great game in Orlando. He was average vs a slow PG last night. Blake or fish are not going to challenge Moore like other teams’ PG will.
moore is a very good defender
hes slow but he has good footwork i think in a year he will be able to guard most point guards but for now id put him on SGs hes 6’3 or 4 with really long arms
by JuJuan some moore on Feb 10, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
+1 again
and he can’t shoot, and he doesn’t drive in crunch time cause he can’t make FTs. And this is the "elite PG others talk about repeatedly. Like his heart, and transition game… but most other PGs in this league can score from inside and out. And the ASSISTS that people mention… big deal. You stand at the top, pass to RA off of a screen, and he pops in a three… thats an assist that ANY guard can make — and half of his assists come that way. Its overrated IMO.
Rondo
He’s a stiff can’t guard anyone fails to shoot from the top of the key what’s up most PG’s are all around such as Sessions, if Lakers pick him up watch out that’s what the word is. We need to make a move to bring in another PG that can shoot like Sessions ……. Rondo’s team what a JOKE.
Its simple
on the defensive end when a shot goes up make contact with your man and establish a rebounding position. If they could have kept the Lakers from getting a few of those offensive board we win. Many of the losses this season could have been avoided by rebounding. They do a good job on the defensive end but your job isnt over on that end until you secure the rebound. Rondo isnt in the group that allowed all those offensive boards. Sure Rondo has his faults but we would have won by 10 or more if LA wouldnt have got all those second chance points.
Rondo has become the easy Target of most fans, they need something to point there finger at when a loss happens. Not all the stupid turnovers or lack of execution or lack of boxing your man out cause you can’t jump as high… no its rondo leaving his man to help out on another. Or how roman sessions is a better player than rondo! Hahaha.
Team game yes
I merely point to how the limitations of one can affect the team’s performance. In this case, Sessions is not as good as Rondo, but might be a better option in the case of offensive balance in the last 3-5 minutes. A PG has to fit with the team for 48 minutes— and especially in the last 3 to 5 minutes. Just one person’r point.
Calling Rondo an ‘easy target’ is equal to LeBron declaring himself an easy target. LeBron’s a target because he consistently puts himself out there demanding attention, thereby making himself a target. Rondo is a target because of his inconsistency. If Rondo were a more consistent player, do you think fans everywhere would be searching for answers or clamoring for a trade?
Allen, Pierce, and KG deserve the benefit of the doubt every now and then because they’ve been delivering the goods for 13+ seasons. Rondo doesn’t deserve that same benefit of the doubt. He hasn’t earned it yet. Fans are looking for him to lead this Celtics team into the next generation, hopefully one filled with championships. As the games and seasons pass, some/most fans are realizing that Rondo probably isn’t the leader we thought/hoped he could be.
His sporadic brilliance, especially in the playoffs, raised the bar rather high. But he cannot consistently reach that level, and part of the reason why are his fundamentals. He fundamentally cannot shoot. His defensive fundamentals are lacking, even if he makes the sporadic phenomenal play. And, some fear, when he’s not surrounded by Hall of Fame-caliber teammates his passing game may also decline. He gambles a lot, offensively and defensively, and is often bailed out by his veteran teammates. If Rondo were running the Raptors or Wizards right now he wouldn’t be as highly thought of.
lebron compared to rondo
The only thing deron did wrong was making his ‘decision’ a joke.. he had every right to do what he did. Just don’t do it in the manner he did. Lebron wants everyone to like him and none of the blame. I don’t see that in rondo. So comparing the situations isn’t fair.
Rondo could get triple doubles every game, but fans would say “well he has hall of famers” ..if it was easy to play with kg, ray, pierce why didn’t marbury, cassell, nate or even better every Bradley or Moore do the numbers rondo gets? To say move rondo cause he hurts the team more then helps seems like a "well they are losing and pierce can’t be blamed. Ray or kg can’t get the blame cause we all like them. Rondo is the easy Target. It can’t just be that kg, ray, pierce are older than all of us (mainly ainge) ever thought they would be this year. That’s it. You can’t point your finger at one player. They win and lose as a team. People now honestly think sessions is better than rondo? Seriously? Stop blaming 1 person. Rondo can’t hit 3 pointers consistently, who cares. You know what he does do? “he is a one man fast break” TNT analysts vs the lakers. Well let’s put players around him that can run. He has probably the passing vision in the league, let’s wait to blame him and ship him off to the wizards or bobcats.. what’s funny is if he wasn’t on this team we would be saying we could use a guy like that on the team.
This bashing of singular players on the team is getting old.
It's not bashing. It's analyzing.
And, it’s Ainge’s job to analyze individual players on the team. Ainge cannot trade the entire team, but he can (and will) trade individual players. That’s what we’re discussing here. I’m analyzing Rondo’s effectiveness as a member of this team.
When discussing trades, you have to be honest. KG is nearly untradeable because of his enormous salary. Trading Pierce would not help this team because he is the only player on the team that can create his own offense. And, why exactly would Ainge trade Allen? He’s one of the best shooters in the game hitting over 50% of his threes.
It would be fantastic if Ainge could fleece another team by dumping JO or Wilcox or Dooling or Bradley etc in exchange for a 7-footer and a scoring wing… but it’s not going to happen.
When looking at the current team, Rondo is the best tradeable asset. It has become clear to almost every Celtics fan that Rondo is not the leader of the future. His game has too many holes. Trade him now when his market is still good. Other teams will give up good players and possibly draft picks for Rondo.
By the way, Rondo’s ‘one man fast break’ only works when Rondo’s actually focused and finishing at the rim. He stopped doing that during the second half of the Lakers game, and when he stopped doing that he became a liability because he cannot hit a shot. A well-rounded PG would be able to run the fast break and hit shots.
By the way, you still manage to misunderstand what most writers post on this site. You should take you time understanding what was written and then take even more time formulating a cohesive response.
Since you want to re hash the not understanding..
so was donny Marshall crazy for saying pierces injury could have been caused by him being out of shape. Or was that me who doesn’t know the team? Or didn’t know basketball?
Or show me where i said rondo will be option 2 to Howard 1.. or did i say surround him/them with shooters, and it could work.
And ray Allen is an attractive piece cause he makes a tradeable amount and his high percentage shot. So you could get something in return. That’s why you heard rumors of ray being move last few years..
And do you read my posts, I didn’t bring up ainge.. I said FANS! Aka every one that is throwing out trades and posting how bad rondo is every other game…..or if it helps, you. You’re a fan not a GM. You don’t have to nash rondo every post cause you have developed a hatred for him and then say its you analyzing your team cause you see them more than other fans. Or how much higher you think your basketball IQ is.
Again pierce, kg & ray had a bad game and you don’t say how much that hurts. You bring up rondo. If its Paul team, where is the leadership? Why is it rondo’s fault this year has been tough, and not age.
AND while we are on the miss understanding kick
I posted that rondo has become an easy Target for celtics Fans, and you replied with a Lebron post. So again, either don’t respond to me or stop thinking your correct at everything and your the greatest person that ever lived. Cause I will just start posting ahfjeicjagrugicjwnehgicjsbegruciqjqhrcisjehrfiwhrbficusbeugivjsv every time to bother you. My post is my view, I don’t care that you think I’m wrong, that’s your view. And that’s fine. But I am allowed to post my view on this site as much as I want. And will continue doing so. If you have an issue with tell Mr. Clark to ban me.
I never pointed my finger solely at Rondo.
I mentioned rebounding and offensive stagnation as the two key reasons for the loss.
On defense, all 5 guys should be putting a body on someone and going for the ball. There is no excuse for not doing so. An offensive rebound is a failure for the entire defensive unit. You said it: The defensive job doesn’t end until the ball is secured. That’s a great point. They teach that in rec leagues and high school. Sometimes it seems the Celtics forget. They don’t position themselves properly to get the rebound and close out the possession.
Rondo and Allen are as culpable as KG and JO if they don’t box the man out or if they had a chance to grab a board and didn’t. I mentioned Allen specifically in my piece because he was the man closest to Matt Barnes on all three of Barnes’ offensive rebounds. Allen seemed to ignore him. He didn’t even try to put a body on him.
If pierce excites the last play of the game and passes ray the ball, we may not even be talking about making a kobe to get sessions.. or maybe every Bradley being able to play to give rondo a long break to have energy to drive to the basket at the end. There are a lot of other factors of why THIS team is losing.
1. Is lack of boxing out.
2. Careless turnovers by ALL players.
3. Injuries.
Let’s see if they can fix those before we make trades for career back up pg. Or blaming 1 player instead of looking at the entire team.
to be clear
Sessions was brought up as an example— we could do way better. A package of Collison and a big man like Kanter or Favors for Rondo would be an upgrade. Along with a wing scorer that can get to the basket and we would be set. Not saying we have to do this now— but at the end of the season we should know where we stand on Rondo (and others)
Jermaine O'Neal sucks!!
He’s one of the tallest guys out there and he repeatedly gets out rebounded night after night. He can’t jump, can’t box out and can’t even shot a 10 foot jumper now. He’s awful and they aren’t going anywhere in the playoffs unless they address the center position. End of story.
To be fair.
JO can’t jump because he has no cartilage left in his knees. His knees are arthritic. That’s also affecting his shot. Ask Ray Ray, consistent shooting is almost all legs. JO simply has no legs left.
Your point is 100% true, but I actually feel for the guy because even though he can barely move he’s going out there almost every night and giving 100%. His limitations are entirely physical, not mental, is what I’m trying to say.
It’s Ainge’s fault for not finding a suitable backup… I mean, starter. JO should really be a 12mpg backup (that’s 10 minutes less than he plays now). In that role, he’d be terrific and fans wouldn’t be expecting as much out of him.
I hear you
But it’s costing us games, and he’s getting paid a lot of money to be below average. I don’t understand why stiesma isn’t playing mor. He wasnt terrible when JO was out. He can block shots and rebound better than anyone else we out out there..
With only Stiemsma available...
I agree, he should be on the court more. But Doc must not trust him due to his understanding of the sets or rotations or… I’m just speculating. But you know Doc would love to throw a 7-footer out there if they understood exactly what they’re supposed to do. Stiemsma must not.
Ainge may be the worst spender of the MLE in the league. He repeatedly spends the entire MLE on injured old men or under-sized PFs. Other teams manage to split the MLE and pick up two players who contribute. Ainge always overspends on one guy.
Rondo did NOT lose this game, the CELTICS lost this game!!!
YES, we can find fault with Rondo’s play, BUT we can also find fault with pierce not finding ray for an open three, JOneal for lack of offense, Ray for not guarding Kobe better, KG for shooting 6 for 23, not boxing out, pietrus for shooting 3 for 9 including 3 of 8 behind the arc (shoot a two now and again!!!), blah, blah, blah… WE WIN and LOSE as a TEAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And a team
is made up of individuals. The Wizards win and lose as a team too— because their individuals can’t get it done and /or don’t compliment each other’s skills. Does that make it better?
When Rondo is tired...
…the offense stagnates…and he sometimes makes poor decisions on defense (like the Steve Blake 3-pointer).
If Avery Bradley can come back and give Rondo an extra 3 or 4 minutes here or there, it will make a big difference.

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