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Enough is enough, I finally have to admit it. Rondo cannot carry this team to the future.


The Lakers game last night was the final straw for me. I've been waiting for it all season, waiting for a game where a team packed it in on Rondo and he took over, shot confidently, attacked the defense, and made them pay for pretending he did not exist when the ball was not in his hands.

Then the Lakers game happened. Kobe did what he always does, played five feet off Rondo, get his hands in all the passing lanes, and just dared Rondo to beat him shooting the ball. Rondo responded by idly pounding the ball into the ground for 5 or 10 seconds every time down the court, before throwing up a crazy off balance shot, or arguably worse, getting the ball to Pierce in an awful position with no time left on the clock.

I can't do it anymore, I can't watch his play anymore and keep telling myself "I know Rondo can shoot, he's just got to get confidence in it and then defenses will pay for backing off him." We have to accept the truth, a truth that Danny probably has known for some time, and the reason why all these trade rumors have come about. Danny knows Rondo is holding this team back, he knows smart defenses can beat the Celtics by taking advantage of Rondo's weaknesses and inability to make teams pay for leaving him open. This is why he's been trying to trade him, and I have no doubt he has been, no matter what he says.

Now, I finally have to admit it.

Rondo is holding this team back, and if they haven't traded him by the deadline, I'll be disappointed.

Poll
Is Rondo holding the Celtics back right now?
Yes, Bradley's defense is infectous, he needs more minutes, and Pierce can run the offense well enough. Trade him.
76 votes
No, I'm still confident Rondo is improving the shot, and will start making defenses pay if they do what the Lakers did last night.
33 votes
Probably, but there's no trade out there we're likely to make that's worth it.
52 votes

161 votes | Poll has closed

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The offense wasn't moving last night

I don’t know who’s fault it was, it could be the offensive strategy as much as Rondo, but yeah last nights offense was not crisp in the least and they made it hard on themselves.

As far as trading Rondo I just don’t see anyone aside from Dwight Howard that I’d really consider in return.

by p-peazy on Feb 10, 2012 5:56 PM EST reply actions  

Stupid.

Did you forget his frequent 30 point explosions this season? 5 rebounds a game? 10 Assists per game? 13.6 POINTS PER GAME? Really, it fills me with frustration to see such ignorance and lack of faith in our players. I thought the C’s were the one team without bandwagon fans. Rondo is our best player. We can run the offense through Pierce yes, but not like we did in ‘08. He’s older now. Rondo also wasn’t as developed as he is now. Bradley is definitely a top 5 defender, but at the core he is a 2 guard. He isn’t really capable of running the team in the playoffs. Please do your homework before making such statements.

by Thecapedcrusader15 on Feb 10, 2012 10:48 PM EST reply actions  

Chill on the "stupid", "ignorance", and "bandwagon" comments.

Just because I don’t agree with you doesn’t make you better,

by C'sFan on Feb 10, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

You should be glad that he took the time to call your analysis ignorant.

It sounded complimentary, even.

Nick Swisher is hands^h^h^h^h^h delicious.

by ChrisCEIT on Feb 11, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

Only because the banhammer is swift and merciless around here (I know from experience)

Rondo ftw

by Sam Levin on Feb 12, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh wait...

and just FYI, Rondo is shooting 50% from the field.
Wait lets check that number again…..
50%
As in, half of his shots.

by Thecapedcrusader15 on Feb 10, 2012 10:50 PM EST reply actions  

I agree, which is why I used the quote.

“I’ve always said Rondo can shoot, he just needs confidence.”

But the bottom line is, we’ve seen it time and time again, when the game is on the line and defenses pack it in and slow down the pace, he caves. He’s not taking those shots, he’s not making defenses pay.

So all the stats in the world are meaningless until he can start hitting those shots and opening up the game for his team mates. That’s what great players do, close games. Until he proves he can, he’s a liability for this team in the playoffs.

What we saw in LA last night, is EXACTLY what every team will do, and has done in the 4th quarter of playoff games. Pace slows, defenses pack it in, dare Rondo to beat them. He hasn’t yet.

by C'sFan on Feb 10, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

That's because

LA has Andrew Bynum. He clogs the paint like no other center can except Howard.
In the East, the Magic pose no threat to us in the playoffs. Chicago and Miami have no center that does what Bynum can do on defense. The Lakers are an unusually long and big team. Against our Eastern conference foes, he has been and will continue to be efficient.
Paul Pierce and Ray Allen are our clutch shooters. Rondo has never been our clutch shooter ever, so why was that even a point?

by Thecapedcrusader15 on Feb 10, 2012 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

But you obviously don't understand.

If he shoots like shit for one game, he needs to go. That’s deep analysis that you’re obviously not keen to.

Nick Swisher is hands^h^h^h^h^h delicious.

by ChrisCEIT on Feb 11, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Stupid

Did you forget his frequent 30 point explosions this season? 5 rebounds a game? 10 Assists plus how many turnovers……5-6-7-8 …….Get real ……

by juanpan on Feb 10, 2012 11:02 PM EST reply actions  

Dude last night was a turnover fest.

Plus, ball movement was non existent. Yes he did have alot of turnovers, but every team has struggled with turnovers this season. EVERY TEAM. You guys are ridiculous.

by Thecapedcrusader15 on Feb 10, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude

So we should just stay as is ……….. no changes just weather the storm and get kicked around and be happy to make the play-offs and get bounced out round one…..

by juanpan on Feb 11, 2012 12:03 AM EST reply actions  

Trading Rondo and starting/giving Bradley more minutes are not related points. We might be best to trade Rondo, but giving Bradley a bunch more minutes is not the answer. In case people have only seen highlights of his D (which is great in full court, but pretty bad in half court as he is TOO aggressive there and just overextends and gets caught out of position) HE HAS NO OFFENSIVE GAME. Rondo CAN get to the rim, he just doesn’t do it as much as he can, Bradley can literally only score on off ball cuts to the basket, he also has no jumper and cant dribble well enough to get past a guy and finish inside over another big.

Regardless of our problem, Avery Bradley is not the answer.

by @JdotD on Feb 11, 2012 7:53 AM EST reply actions  

I'm guessing...

there’s more to it. Rondo history coming back from an injury has been that he is energetic and makes some incredible plays the first couple of games, then he tapers off for a few games eventually coming back to his usual self. He’ll be fine, everyone goes through a slump. He’s not the only player on the team that can carry it.

No trade needed yet.

by bonzo22 on Feb 11, 2012 8:02 AM EST reply actions  

People have been waxing optimistically for three years about Rondo moving the basketball better, shooting it better, actually attempting to stay in front of his man, bringing great effort every night, not one out of every four.

It hasn’t happened.

The real question is how long is Ainge willing to wait? Said it before – I give him props for trying frantically to sell high in the off-season. Going to be tough to sell high now.

So let’s be clear: I see no tealistic scenario in which Rondo, with his substantial and lingering warts, is remotely close to a building block for the future of the Boston Celtics. If we approach the future as he is, I see it as a hideous mistake.

by CoachBo on Feb 11, 2012 3:10 PM EST reply actions  

Cfan:You want to trade a 25 yr. old excellent PG ( who yesterday we wouldnt have traded for CP3 because we considered him the best there is) for the improbable last chance to win it all in 2012?

All indications are that this team does not have the bodies to win it all this year You think that we dont have to give up the house, office and Summer house to get players that may become expendable and available to us now? Trade B players for B players in order to win it all against the Bulls, Heat, Lakers. Thunder, etc . etc. etc.?
And if we dont win it all, will us be better for the foreseeable future just because we got rid of Rondo for some other player? Rondo, who yesterday was the face of our franchise -who we considered him out leader? Or how soon we forget yesterday? Common, buddy: stay cool. Not worth it. Desperation is not the answer. We just dont have enough horses to win it this year. Lets start getting ready for the years to come; and hope its not another 20+ years -I dont have that much time left. lolol

by Dantenina on Feb 11, 2012 3:55 PM EST reply actions  

it seems real simple to me, and it is what tommy h is always harping on. get into the offense faster. stop pounding the ball, make sure pp gets a touch. making the first pass at 12 seconds just doesnt cut it and I dont’ care what we are trying to “execute” in getting ray open. we still have players defenses must react to, rondo beyond the 3 point line is not one of them. rondo on the lose after a first pass is one of those players though. I think the so-called execution is actually freezing us up a little bit.

by chicagogreen on Feb 11, 2012 7:54 PM EST reply actions  

loose, not lose, arg, damn you freud

by chicagogreen on Feb 11, 2012 7:56 PM EST reply actions  

confidence is the key...

I don’t care how many thousands of shots you make in practice. If you don’t have the confidence in your shot making ability, or your free throw ability, you are not going to take those shots when it comes to crunch time, be it the end of the second quarter or the end of the fourth quarter. How many games have we seen Rondo come out on fire only to watch that blaze turn to an ember at the end of the 2nd, or the end of the game??? It doesn’t matter how many times Doc implores, begs, screams at Rondo to be AGRESSIVE, if he is not confident, he will slow the offense down to a crawl and REFUSE to take those shots or drive the lane to get the free throw attempts. Just saying…

by greensince72 on Feb 11, 2012 9:48 PM EST reply actions  

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