Rajon Rondo Answers The Critics, Defeats The Bulls
I was going to say that Rajon Rondo gave his best Derrick Rose imitation but that's not accurate. He was at his best tonight because he was aggressive and attacking. Looking for his shot as well as his teammates. This is the best of Rajon Rondo. When he plays like that, there's no stopping him. All of which is why I think trading him for anything other than a clear upgrade would be foolish.
I suppose it is nights like this that set the bar for him so high. People know he's capable of this and get frustrated when he doesn't reach these levels. But I'll take a few off nights in exchange for days like today (with a bunch of average but still facilitating nights on other days). But maybe that's just me. Don't trade this guy.
- Nice to see Good Wilcox show up tonight!
- Nice to see a solid game by JaJuan Johnson too. Doc will have to give him more time if he keeps performing.
- Jermaine who? (just kidding, we need all the help we can get)
- CJ Watson was the one doing his best Rose imitation. Hats off to him.
- Rondo even hit his end of game free throws! Still giddy about him.
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RONDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
trade who ur crazy trible double!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GO BOSTON CELTICS YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL
I’m going to steal that…
…if we ever get an uptempo team that is.
well played
Faith and Sports - an essay by Jeff Clark
damn it
rondo made me eat my words of the last week….
…enjoy the win….
:(
Waiting for the Prodigal Son to Return KH12 BITCHES!!!!
In the Chemi-meter we trust!
He answered the critics?
Okay, he had an amazing game, I’ll give him that. THIS is the Rajon Rondo we need. THEN WHY DOESN’T HE STAY THIS AGGRESSIVE?!
I’m not going to complain about it. Rondo played well but we need CONSISTENCY. Let’s see if Rondo stays this aggressive in future games. If he doesn’t, this game only improves his trade value.
I can be EASILY pleased, trust me.
Rondo is a great player and I know he will get his good games, but we need consistency. He needs to show consistent aggressiveness like this CHI game. The Celtics do not want the Rondo from the TOR game.
If Rondo plays aggressive every game from here on out, I’ll be happy.
What do you expect he’s been hurt half the season? Do you know how hard it is to be consistent when your injured?
by Blackberry33 on Feb 12, 2012 6:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He's played like crap even BEFORE the injury
All I want to see is Rajon Rondo being THIS aggressive and I’ll be happy. If I see Rondo sucking out there BUT HE STAYS AGGRESSIVE on the court, I’ll be happy with him PUTTING EFFORT out there.
Rondo needs to show consistent aggressiveness and the critics will be happy.
Until then, good game Rondo, keep it up.
played like crap with the 2nd most assists in the league?
Best defender at his position?
Are you just expecting a 10ppg guy to score 30 every game?
*sighs
It’s as if you guys are having trouble understanding what I’m trying to say.
Yes, I know Rondo has the 2nd most assists in the league but we all know when he plays badly. Why does he play badly? Because he stands around and just waits for people to get open rather than move the rock around or penetrate the defense. Just show aggressiveness and he can have every game be a good game.
We all know when he actually puts EFFORT in games. If we look at the Toronto game, that’s an example of Rondo we have been seeing quite often as of late.
Yes
Rondo has been inconsistent, no question about it.
In defense of the Toronto game, just wanna point out how ridiculous it is to expect ANY team to play well in their 2nd of a back-to-back when that second game is on the road. It means they get to sleep at MAYBE 5am or so, and are then expected to play full tilt a few hours later…. that’s just madness. No human can do that… certainly not on any regular basis.
But… yeah, inconsistent. I didn’t much like his Lakers game either.
“ridiculous .. to expect ANY team to play well in their 2nd of a back-to-back when that second game is on the road.” Chicago, Spurs, Heaties, & Thunderations generally arent getting blown out by the Torontos of the League. Pushed, sure but blown out? Granted, the Celtcs O and D takes a lot of energy to play right, but still would like to them do a better job with these “taking-care-of -business” games.
"Celtics bring order and structure to a chaotic world"
If I'm not mistaken
I think every team in the league has had a stinker or two…. I think it’s inevitable with this ridiculous schedule. (Not that Toronto wasn’t very bad, tho.)
Toronto almost stole one from LA today.
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i disagree that the Toronto Rondo was the Rondo we see most games (cause most games he has played this season he has been getting about 10 points and 10 assists)
but I agree that when he runs the clock down at the 3 line, the offense does not flow well. Thats just something that he has to figure out and I think he has already started because he did not do that more than twice today.
by ianboyextreme on Feb 12, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
The thing is that I see Rondo do this sporadically
There are games where Rondo gets aggressive, moves around, passes the ball, there’s a lot of movement and flow.
Then he just decides to walk up the floor, stare and watch, bring the shot clock down to 5 seconds, then finally passes the damn ball.
It’s like he plays this style for 3 games in a row, then the 4th game he’ll do well, but then he gets back right into this annoying routine. It’s like he doesn’t even realize that if he just moves the ball around, the offense will flow much better.
isnt it too much to ask for nightly triple doubles from anybody?
only oscar robertson has been that good night in and night out
~Aaron
by bostonceltics on Feb 12, 2012 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
Oh there you go, being rational!
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AlexC didn't ask for that
he’s asking for consistent aggressiveness…. something I think we can all agree on.
+1
It helped Rose was out. rondo plays this way about 1 out of 10 games. Trade him
I wouldn't be too haste to trade Rondo
We’ll keep watching his aggressiveness for the rest of the games before the trade deadline. If he acts stubborn and refuses to be consistent with his aggressiveness, then trade him.
It was nice to see JJ and CW run with RR. Look what youth does for ya! RR with a triple double and everyone wants to trade him away. He is the most complete guard in the NBA. I guess this means I have to start going to church every day if RR will have games like this!
by Blackberry33 on Feb 12, 2012 6:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions
This is Worth a Look
For Rondo to excel, he really needs guys to get out and run with him. Tonight, circumstances conspired to make it work out. Dont see why Doc doesnt see this and go with it. Get Wlicox, JJ and Bass out there with Rondo more often. Run JO and Ra with Avery. How hard is that?
"Celtics bring order and structure to a chaotic world"
Thats more like it.
Nice effort by the C’s today.
It would of been sweeter beating the Bulls with Rose playing, but hey we will take the win.
Nice to see Rondo jump back from his previous as he played great today.
He was highly responsible for the win so deserves the game ball indeed.
So glad JJ played alot of minutes today and played well.
It was a win, win for JJ as he helped contribute to the win today and received some very valuable playing time that will only help his growth and development for the future.
I like that he played well against a legitimate big matchup like Boozer
A good, solid quality, NBA outing for JJ.
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Yea playing ...
against Boozer is a real good test and much better learning experience for JJ then playing in garbage time against 2nd and 3rd string bench players.
Yes, no more Jermaine. Play the young guys! They are so much better.
by forever_green on Feb 12, 2012 7:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Even I could dominate against CJ WATSON!!
Good win for the Cs! And Rondo’s price is now at an all-time high!
The Bulls had won all their games with CJ Watson as a starter this season
by European NBA fan on Feb 12, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
Watson played very well
Though he’s no Rose, he’s still very good.
Rose is more of a two guard IMO...
well combo but he is a score first player. He is the best in the league with setting a few picks and having him go by the first guy/line of defense and getting to the rim and finishing often getting fouled— this is what makes him so special as the Bulls run that play a lot when he gets in attack mode.
It saved them in the playoffs last year against Indy.
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by mjtig on Feb 12, 2012 7:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh, now don't trade him,
You guys make me sick. Rondo is a good player who had a couple of bad games, so what? Instead of saying, he’ll get it, you say trade him. Terrible fans
Celtics fan from Brooklyn, NY
No, not just a couple. Has been and still is inconsistent. One thing that worries me I think he gets bored playing with the Jurassic 4. he needs to run while they live for the 1/2 court.
"Celtics bring order and structure to a chaotic world"
it's true
He does look bored walking the ball up the floor and getting into the half court set. He loves getting out in transition and Wilcox and JJJ allowed him to push the tempo. If we had Green we’d have seen a lot more of this type of play this year.
by McHaleinthepost on Feb 12, 2012 7:54 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Rondo for Billups!
Think about it, we get a veteren point guard with playoff experience and the drive to win titles!
He might as well not have been today
since he did nothing with his 8.5 minutes.
I think I should apologize
for blasting Rondo for his performance against the Lakers. Good performance all-around.
My favorite plays were his jump shots. I think he should take them every single time if he’s wide open. He should think about doing that more when we meet the Lakers again.
Great pushing the ball and being aggressive from start to end. When Rondo has his mind set that way, he is a hell of a baller.
Loved the prospect of young bigs running the court with Rondo. Wilcox’s motor is really impressive. If Rondo stays as a Celtic, that is a scene we would get used to seeing.
Granted, it was a win against the rose-less bulls, but a win always feels good :)
Problems remain
- Energy and effort was pretty spotty from guys not named Rondo or Johnson. Generally mediocre in the first 3 quarters, better in the 4th but still spotty. Bulls won the 50-50 game and rebounding in the first 3 quarters, hustling their butts off on almost every play.
- Rondo had a great game, right? So why did he not ONCE crack a smile, or show any emotion at all? You could see KG and coaches trying to get him to be happy or at least feeling good about the win and his performance…. and still he remained blank. Could he be depressed? Or jaded beyond caring? Either way, it could be a problem. Hopefully not serious or long-lasting, but seems there right now.
- But the Bulls got at least 6 points, by my count, on lucky bounces off broken plays. I.e., they should have had another 3 turnovers which instead turned into points for them, by sheer luck.
- On the other hand, no Rose. Not the same team, though still tough.
My guess on Rondo
He’s ticked about the recent criticism, and trade talk. It’s so obvious this teams foibles are not at his feet, yet he gets the blame more often than not.
I’d be a little peeved too.
" Hell yeah I'm trying to gain an advantage out here. If you can't handle it, get off the court."- Kevin Garnett
"Stats are for losers."- Rahim Morris (FORMERLY-Tampa Bay Buccaneers)
He’s lucky he didn’t throw away this one away for us, too. Two turnovers in crunch time after being unable to get it past half-court. Meh.
that was more because no one came to help
the whole team looked lost until doc called a time out to deal with it. i wouldnt put those 2 on rondo
I just wonder though
Where was anyone else on the team? Shouldn’t it be the entire team’s responsibility to recognize the trap and come to his aid. Set a pick, or provide an outlet pass option. Just standing there and watching Rondo get the ball taken from him is even worse to me.
" Hell yeah I'm trying to gain an advantage out here. If you can't handle it, get off the court."- Kevin Garnett
"Stats are for losers."- Rahim Morris (FORMERLY-Tampa Bay Buccaneers)
That's my guess too
Or more accurately, my hope. His affect was strangely unresponsive at the end there. Everybody happy all around him, KG exhorting, telling him how great he was…. and nothing, no response. Strange. Could be something more there…. something that we don’t know about, maybe a personal issue…. That would also explain his recent performances.
It looks like there is some sort of tension in the locker room. My guess (and this is pure speculation) would be that there is some sort of friction between Rondo and Pierce, though I am not sure where Garnett and Allen stand on the issue. I don’t like it in the least bit, though.
I too think there may be a little friction
I suspect it does involve Rondo as well.
My theory is that Rondo realizes he’s basically been left having to carry this team. He realizes that the best way to do it is to run, run, run. The problem is his mates can’t do it (at least the vets anyway). Yet even though it is obvious that the older players’ inability to keep up is the problem at times, Rondo bears alomst all of the blame (in the media). I’m guessing Rondo resents this, and in turn the BIg 3 recognize this and aren’t happy with Rondo’s resentment.
Doc needs to do a better job, point blank. He needs to tell the big 3 their time as focal points is up, and they need to find a way to compliment Rondo’s game, not the other way around. Doc also needs to do a better job mixing the young players with the old. There should be at least one other player capable of running with Rondo on court at all times. To bad if this ends up hurting some of the vets feelings. They’re suppossed to be professionals, they should get over it.
" Hell yeah I'm trying to gain an advantage out here. If you can't handle it, get off the court."- Kevin Garnett
"Stats are for losers."- Rahim Morris (FORMERLY-Tampa Bay Buccaneers)
Sounds reasonable. My problem is
that if this is indeed true, how is this team going to seriously compete this year? They can’t, under these conditions.
So I’m hoping (albeit somewhat against hope) that there’s something personal going on with Rondo; something that will pass. And that the team will come fully together in time for the playoffs. Fingers crossed.
Magic Johnson just said it best on the post game
The Big 3 need to give up the reigns. This is Rondo’s team.
Find a way to compliment his game.
Rondo’s biggest problem is inconsistency. Maybe that inconsistency is just in his nature. I’m of the opinion it is still to do with his being unsure of how to best compliment his game to the big 3 in order to get the most out of them. He shouldn’t.
Just play your game, Rondo, and force the vets to follow. If they are the professionals they claim to be, they’ll find a way to compliment you.
" Hell yeah I'm trying to gain an advantage out here. If you can't handle it, get off the court."- Kevin Garnett
"Stats are for losers."- Rahim Morris (FORMERLY-Tampa Bay Buccaneers)
This. Right Here.
“Doc also needs to do a better job mixing the young players with the old. There should be at least one other player capable of running with Rondo on court at all times. " As obvious as paint on a post. Yet he walks on by. The vet pecking order is so ingrained, but its hurting this club.
"Celtics bring order and structure to a chaotic world"
How about Doctor Rivers
Remedies Rondo’s Need to have young legs to run with by putting him on the second unit? We saw what the big three can do with Bradley on the court, why not experiment and swap. Big three get an unselfish, hard-working point who plays top notch defense, and Rondo get’sto run up and down the court with fresh legs.
by Mikey Bizzle on Feb 13, 2012 8:47 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I noticed that too--not the slightest hint of a smile for anyone.
Of course, if he plays like this every game he can wear Perk’s scowl 24/7 for all I care.
But I suspect he’s more of a handful to manage than we realize.
" Energy and effort was pretty spotty from guys not named Rondo or Johnson"
Um … did you miss the effort Garnett put out?
I know Rondo was exciting and played great, but folks – Garnett had an awesome game of his own!
In addition to 12 rebs & 13 points, KG lead the block-barage with 4! All told the C’s slapped away 9 shots tonight.
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Yes... he put in his usual full effort
I guess KG is such a given for me every night
LOL - poor KG
we say we love him but we take him for granted!
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if consistent i still think rondo is better than derrick rose if only he continues to keep playing like that his still on the top 5 PG in my opinion.
but still i would love rondo to be traded if we get impact players in return and an upgrade but for veterans like nash f*ck no.
It Sure Helps Rondo when the team actually pushes the pace
Rondo is built for a fast-paced team. When Boston plays mixed lineups and push the tempo he becomes a scoring threat and it carries over into his half-court execution.
When Boston slows it down – like they do every game in the last 5-6 minutes of the 4th quarter – the team’s offensive efficiency plummets and Rondo becomes invisible.
This team is extremely limited offensively. When they don’t run they are a bottom 5 offense in the league and Rondo is a fraction of himself offensively.
When the team runs, it changes the complexion of the game….its that simple…
by BillfromBoston on Feb 12, 2012 6:18 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Amen!
^ This man gets its.
Rondo needs younger, atheletic players to run with. I’m not saying trade any of the Big 3, but better rotations and offensive sets for Rondo are seriously in order.
Doc needs to do a better job of making sure the C’s don’t go into slow down mode. Tell the Big 3 to run with Rondo or get the heck out of the way.
" Hell yeah I'm trying to gain an advantage out here. If you can't handle it, get off the court."- Kevin Garnett
"Stats are for losers."- Rahim Morris (FORMERLY-Tampa Bay Buccaneers)
Which is Why
…DA brought in Jeff Green. Even though it didnt work out as expected, at least DA could read the writing on the wall. Wish Doc could do the same and at least give Rondo a few runners to work with out there, if only to keep him from being bored.
"Celtics bring order and structure to a chaotic world"
It looks like you are right
But that’s not good news for Boston. Because the guys who run are almost NEVER the Big Three or JO… always the younger guys. We aren’t winning anything with just our bench. So where does that leave the Celtics? With no competitive offense unless the younger guys are in? If true, we’re a dead duck.
Not necessarly
It would seem that given Rondo some runners would make him better. Ray and Jo steady the bench mob. How hard is that, other than it upsets the vet pecking order and ruffle some egos.
"Celtics bring order and structure to a chaotic world"
I meant
that this is not a solution that wins playoff series. However, as Doc said post-game, he expects everybody to run, vets too. So it’s probably inaccurate to say that the vets won’t run. They probably will, when the chips are down. (I hope.)
I think.........
vets like KG, PP, .and Ray try to pace themselves. IF the Cs want to run, switch out rotations over shorter periods of time, so the vets can go all out.
by CelticsUKfan on Feb 12, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
That's what he's already been doing with KG all year.
Five minutes in. Five minutes out. Rinse, repeat. And it’s paying off. KG has been playing great.
I think Pierce has started to look a little tired these last 3 games – he has been putting in too many extended minutes.
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Truth tellin
Hopefully these minor injuries continue to turn into game changing(doc convincing) performances. MIX IT UP doc. [channels Greg Poppovich] and pop can be just as stubborn @ times.
malcontents....the lot of you
Trade Rondo!
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FOOLS!
" Hell yeah I'm trying to gain an advantage out here. If you can't handle it, get off the court."- Kevin Garnett
"Stats are for losers."- Rahim Morris (FORMERLY-Tampa Bay Buccaneers)
Can we assume then issues of his inconsistency are settled? He came out with a chip on the shoulder and injuries pushed W’cox and JjJ up in the line-up. JOs out there, there’s no running game and where’s the result then.
My take. Rondo’s a half-size off with this team. He’s at his best working with runners, at his worst in the half-court. It could work better if he was out there more often with the younger set. But Doc teams him with the guys that do best in the half-court set. This game shows what he can do when he has the horses. But the same old starting 5 will be back, soon as JO is healthy again.
"Celtics bring order and structure to a chaotic world"
It seems to be a given all of a sudden
that this team can’t play offense in the half court. Not sure when that happened. They’ve ALWAYS been a half-court offense team. If that’s not working, then they need to figure out why. Because it’s gotta work.
It does seem, though, that their PnR’s haven’t been working lately… or at least, much worse than in the past. Lately it seems Rondo is very often just waiting for Ray to break free through multiple screens…. but opponents have long-ago learned about that one.
Why fools? I would still do the right deal if it came along
Wait until 2 or 3 games down the road when he doesn’t feel like playing that night. His game today was splendid. I just wish he would be more consistent.
Rondo can't be consistent.....
….as long as the team’s effort to push the pace is inconsistent – he’s a passer in a strictly half-court game – he’s dynamic when the team plays with a real pace and operates with motion and energy in the halfcourt, feeding off that pace
Rondo is supposedly our best player...
Shouldn’t he be the one to encourage his teammates to play harder if he finds them slacking?
Wow... just wow.
It’s not like Kobe can tell Gasol and Bynum to wake the hell up for every single game. He does it, and sometimes it just does not work. Not every player is up for every game. It is just ridulous when I see the kind of criticism Rondo gets on every single night in here.
“Shouldn’t he be the one to encourage his teammates to play harder if he finds them slacking?”
That’s gotta be one of the ridiculous comments I’ve seen on this post. What is he now, Doc Rondo? True, the point guard has to lead the team and encourage the players, and he does that. But are you seriously saying he needs to tell these players to play harder in the first place? Run faster, rebound better, set better picks, on and on?
KG knows that to his heart, same with the captain and RayRay. Whenever our team performs on a shitty level, at least 75% of the people that use this site blame solely on Rondo. It’s just ridulous to me. Like BillfromBoston said, Rondo can’t be consistent when the team’s effort to push the pace is inconsistent. Rondo can’t do what he did today in a half court game. That is not his game. People kind of get that, but never ever understand it fully.
When Rondo sucked vs the Lakers just a few days ago, people forgot to see how crappy KG and the rest of the team played. We played in the half court; thus nobody shot or played particularly well. The whole blame, at least from the people in this site, was on Rondo. It is just mindboggling, then again this site has been like this for the big 3 era.
"I’m going to probably fade to black,’’ he said. "To be honest, I’m not a showman guy. I’m going to fade to black. I don’t know what I will do. I’m an idealist. I have a high drive and I’m very determined. Fade to black, man, like evaporate.’’
Been saying
He;s not been given the best shot a doing what he can do. It;s the rotations. Dont know if because “the vets knwo the plays” or its a “pecking order” thing or what. But until Doc changes his lines (JON and Ray off the starting 5, more minutes for the kids with Rondo) expect the inconsistency to continue.
"Celtics bring order and structure to a chaotic world"
NO MORE BULLS...
Today no Bass, and no JO,
Wilcox, Johnson and Stiemsma were ready to go.
Q1 KG aggressive, Rondo got hot,
Even Wilcox was able to make a shot.
Stiemsma came in, that rookie can block,
Dooling, Johnson, Bradley all working for Doc.
Despite the Bulls’ impressive 10-0 run,
The Cs were up 5 at the end of Q1.
Rondo’s assists, rebounds, shots lit up the place
His Wilcox give ‘n’ go brought a smile to Doc’s face.
Good perimeter shots by Johnson from Purdue,
Beautiful Cs teamwork, up 5 end Q2.
Rondo scored off a block by an energetic KG,
That’s how the Cs started Q3.
Wilcox running the court, impressive shots I am fond o’
Caused by good vision and passes by Rajon Rondo.
Finally a field goal was made by Ray,
During Q3 about halfway.
With all the offense the Cs have found,
Somehow the Bulls are hanging around.
28 points for Rondo, just through Q3,
Against the Lakers and Raptors where was he?
Q4 turnovers both sides, an ugly game,
Bulls hanging around just the same.
RAY ALLEN FOR THREE, then a pretty jump shot,
Cs must be careful no Bulls get hot.
Then the power of the three by the Captain so fierce,
Quietly playing this game, The Truth, Paul Pierce.
Because of spasms in his back, Bulls have no Rose,
Why doesn’t Rip play games even though he goes?
Rondo to Johnson, Rondo to Wilcox, too,
Back to back alley-oops, off steals, WAHOO!
Two minutes left, Cs lead 14 down to 3,
Good screen by KG, good shot by P.
Cs, up 3, lost the ball, 27 seconds in the game,
From behind the whole time the Bulls never came!
by mycelts on Feb 12, 2012 6:22 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
The problem with Rondo is consistency
and that he seems either depressed, distracted or just doesn’t care. Didn’t react in any way to the win or his performance. Nada. A blank. Wonder why…..
Perhaps because he understands this is just one regular season game
What is there to get emotional about? He played fantastic today, and the team won but at the end of the days its just one game.
One of my biggest pet-peeves is when players get all jacked up when the make a good play (LBJ flexing when he dunks, or Joakim with finger guns after he hit a jumper). Like, what are you celebrating? Its one moment in a long season. No need to que up the duck parade.
You just got Rondo'd
by RJ87 on Feb 12, 2012 6:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
His non-responsiveness was at the end of the game
With KG jacking him, telling him how good he was, everybody smiling, happy… and Rondo with stone face.
And that means.....?
He always has a poker face. I think you’re overthinking it.
But in all honestly, let’s entertain the idea he’s unhappy here. Can you blame him? He gets no respect from his own fanbase. Everytime this teams hits a bump in the road, everyone is ready to offer him up to the wolves. Would you be jacked up playing for a fanbase like that?
Even with that said, I don’t believe that’s what’s at play here.
You just got Rondo'd
by RJ87 on Feb 12, 2012 6:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If you still have the game on DVR
have a look at Rondo at the end of the game…. after he hit his first 2 FTs, and when the game was over. It’s pretty remarkable how stony he was compared to everyone around him. Interesting.
He's always been that way, though.
I saw nothing new there tonight.
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+1 for the 'over thinking it'
It really is kinda futile to try to get into the mind of these athletes based on what you see on TV or from 90 feet away.
Unless one claims to be a mind reader, it is useless speculation.
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Disagree
Without team spirit, they will not go far. If he’s unable to participate in the end-of-a-win general happiness, and doesn’t communicate with his mates, it’s a bad sign. There’s more to this (and any) sport than just stats, imo.
I didn't say there isn't more to this sport than stats nor that team spirit isn't important.
What I’m saying is it is completely useless speculation to try to say anything about what is going on inside their heads based on the smidgeons of information that we get as fans.
So, sure ‘intangibles’ are important. But neither you nor I can really say much about how ‘strong’ those intangibles are or not or what kind of inter-personal dynamics are going on.
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Noah with his six guns blazing
That was hilarious. Seriously, have you ever seen Ray Allen do that? Even one of the best shooters of all time never pulls out his guns—but Noah hits one of his hideous Js and he makes it seem like he’s a an assassin from outside.
by McHaleinthepost on Feb 12, 2012 8:41 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Its true
Some games (like this one) he looks like the best player in the NBA but most games he looks like a role player. I’m not asking for a triple double every night but some consistency would be nice.
Slow Down Everyone...
Rondo did play well and got his numbers, contributing to a nice win but they still didn’t cover him. Most NBA players would get 30 pts if not covered. His game today was pretty much what Rondo is. A good player who contributed to a win but he still missed some easy shots, had some turnovers, and didn’t cover is man all that well. All in all, I will take that for the Celtics but that is not an all star level (or better than Rose).
lets assume that no one was guarding him (which was false)
do most nba players get 10 rebounds and 15 assists when not being guarded also?
Argh, you make us Rondo critics look like idiots...
Rondo played REALLY well. It’s fine that he missed some easy shots, had some turnovers. Dude, seriously, NO ONE is perfect…
What Rondo needs to do is BE AGGRESSIVE for EVERY game. He showed aggressiveness this game and he played extremely well. His aggressiveness also raised the Celtics’ spirit and they all played much better than the TOR game.
Be careful with what you say because you are making yourself sound like those critics that don’t know what the hell they are talking about, which makes us legitimate Rondo critics look like complaining brats.
Rondo has culpability in his effort level - no free passes
But, its extremely hard to play night in and night out knowing that you’re fighting an uphill battle to get your teammates to push tempo.
The best this team has played has been when multiple starters have been out and the team has mixed “old” with “young”.
Rondo in or out, the team has played its best when their are “energy” guys on the court with the “execution” old farts.
Jermaine Who?
Jermaine, the guy who needs to be coming off the bench. Wilcox can run and fits better with the Rondo and the starters, O’neal would be better with the 2nd unit.
by jackscompletelackofsurprise on Feb 12, 2012 6:25 PM EST reply actions
That's a good point
Maybe in the playoffs JO should be a starter again, depending on matchups. But until then Wilcox’ energy and willingness to run will make life much easier for Rondo (and for the rest of the team).
by European NBA fan on Feb 12, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
No
Not a starter at all. Worst possible mate to work with Rondo.
"Celtics bring order and structure to a chaotic world"
You mean JO...
Initially I thought you meant Wilcox, but I can see in a comment below that you like him as a starter, too.
While I agree that JO does very little for Rondo (and vice versa) on offense, we might need him for defensive matchups. I do hope that Wilcox will improve on that end too while getting minutes with the starters.
by European NBA fan on Feb 12, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
well c how the c's play when they face chicago on their homecourt this coming thursday.
can rondo still keep the pace and keep playing like that to the higher level? what we need for rondo right now is consistency.
lol arent u a trade rondo club leader
plus with need the team to be pass pace so rondo can work team slow down rondo does too team speed up rondo is explosives
A very hard game to watch with all the turnovers taking place, but have to give Rondo credit.
This is what he is really capable of, when his mind and body are both in the same place at the same time.
Hopefully the new streak of five + wins will have started with this game.
The youngsters have to be given playing time, as they’re going to be needed come playoff time. They do have talent, it’s obvious, and they need to be allowed to make the mistakes that come with growing pains.
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Nice to see JJJ get minutes and play well
He’s going to be getting a lot more run the next 2 weeks while Bass is out. Same with Wilcox. I think both are great fits with Rondo, as they can be big men who run the floor.
I hope the Steamer can get minutes also...
I think a Steamer and JJ front line for spot minutes in the upcoming games just to throw some speed, athleticism, length and shot blocking havoc onto the court would be interesting to see.
I know your a big fan of Steamer and when he got that block on Boozer I was like Ford must be happy!
by Blackberry33 on Feb 12, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
You got that right Blackberry33...
I was so happy and jumped up after that block that I even spilled my chips and soda …lol
He can be a good defender in the right situation and against the right players
by Blackberry33 on Feb 12, 2012 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
Think Doc WIll Notice
Or go right back to same old? Coach seems to go with his program, vs what’ s actually working.
"Celtics bring order and structure to a chaotic world"
The fewer minutes Stiemsma gets the better the team is playing
He had a Nice block today. Other than that he got killed by Boozer. The guy is an NBDL caliber player.
It's a start
Great bounce back game for Rondo. He was confident, aggressive and made clutch free throws even! It was reminiscent of earlier in the season where Rondo was getting to the foul line frequently. Can’t expect a triple double every game but if he could just play with the type of energy and aggressiveness he showed today that would be more than enough.
Good thing Rondo had a great game since Paul and Ray were both surprisingly mediocre offensively today. Great effort by Wilcox with some nice baskets and 9 big rebounds.
Good win to hopefully get the Celtics back on track. Can’t forget that the Bulls were missing the MVP with Rose being out which obviously makes them a totally different team.
Let’s hope Doc blasting the team and then the team meeting will right the ship for more than one game…
Quotes from Rondo ---
"I feel I’m the best at what I do, and that’s how I play it,"
"I’m the best, hands down. There’s no speculation. Not top three or top five, I’m the best."
"I’m not looking to be the best one year or to have people think you’re the best one year,’’ Rondo continued. "You’ve got to prove it every night. Every night somebody’s going to be gunning for that spot.’’
it seems like Celtics are running on the fuel from bench.
Doc really have to give them more minutes, even when there is no injury issue. Rondo need someone who can run, period. And all those critics should give him a rest. Those b2b alley oops were amazing.
Paul Pierce's 2 turnovers late in the 4th....
gave me heart attacks. what’s wrong with him?
That was disheartening
Shook my head on those…. man, you just CAN’T do that and get away with it very often. Just can’t. And it happened twice. Smh.
Rondo was great overall
but what was he doing the last few mins… lots of sloppy plays and not a solid defensive game from him either
you, my friend....
are 100% correct. A triple double and 4 FTs to close it out? Nothing to it, even a caveman could do it.
great game rondo, even if derrick rose wasn't playing you...
MUCH BETTER than your last game when you gave us 5 pts, 7 ast, 5 to against the Toronto raptors…
People really cant say he cant shoot anymore
its not just today. He has been shooting that elbow jumper well all year.
no lead is safe
a 14 point lead under 5 mins to play , and to win in the final seconds , don’t want to take any thing away from this good win today , but this team has no killer insinct , and will still be lucky to get a 7th or 8th seed come playoff time
btw, at the Bulls blog
they were making fun of Rondo before the game.
http://www.blogabull.com/2012/2/11/2792049/bulls-at-boston-celtics-game-preview-30#storyjump
Rondo got the last lough.
Everyone knows Rondo can play
But nobody seems to remember how championship teams play him in a 7-game series. He’s a great PG but not Top 5. Rose didn’t play and that’s huge. He’s the reigning MVP. Doc’s system is not a run and gun system. They’ll run when they can, but it won’t happen all the time, not even with young players. In the playoffs, the pace slows down, that’s a reality? You won’t run every time and Rondo’s weaknesses will overshadow his strengths once again, not against the Knicks, not against the Bucks or the Hawks, but against the Heat, the REAL Bulls, etc.
If you want to go ahead and call us bad fans, go ahead and do it, see if I care. I jus happen to have a different perspective on Rondo’s game.
I would not call you bad fans at all.
We all care about our team and want them to succeed. And we don’t always see the same path to that success.
I just might suggest that maybe Doc & Danny know a thing more about basketball than a lot of fans.
NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.
in the playofffs.....
running pace in the playoffs will still happen provided they muster a good defense that opens up the opportunity for rondo to initiate the run and he has jjj and wilcox running with him….u will be correct if doc just sticks with the veterans and doesnt play the young and athletic jjj and wilcox
by goldenapple on Feb 13, 2012 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
I hope we have seen the last of Jermaine...
Any of our other bigs are better, they can run and are active. Great game by Rondo on offence, but played very little defence. Nice to see him make free throws.
by forever_green on Feb 12, 2012 7:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Doubt seriously that we've seen the last of Jermaine.
And the truth is we need him.
I like Wilcox a lot and I hope to see him contribute more and more as he gets more ‘integrated’ with how Doc wants him to play post defense.
But against some match ups, we are going to need JO’s strength and skill at defending the post.
NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.
JO is short on offense but great most games on D and taking offensive fouls.
by Blackberry33 on Feb 12, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
Yes...
I though the perfect example of his good defense was against Bynum the other night.
He played Bynum as well in the paint as you can and actually blocked his shot a couple of times I think.
That type of in the paint defense by JO will come in handy, especially come playoff time when the game becomes more of a 1/2 court in the paint power game.
Right he has a place.
Vs the Bynams and Howards. But against the rest of the league, giving Wlicox the start and burn time for JjJ would give RR the runners he needs. Also wouldnt mind seeing MP getting the start over Ray-Ray.
"Celtics bring order and structure to a chaotic world"
In what universe is Michael Pietrus playing better than Ray Allen?
Allen is out-producing MP in almost every category of the game. He’s shooting way better, he’s creating far more points per minute through points scored and assists and in the few categories where he trails MP (rebounds and steals) it is by the barest of differences.
When you look at aggregate stats like win-shares, or net +/- it is not even remotely close. Ray is generating .161 win shares per 48 minutes, MP just .103. Ray’s net differential between his ORtg & DRtg is +11 points per 100 possessions. MPs is just +2.
I like MP, he’s a good player. But no way can I understand the idea of starting him over Ray Allen.
NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.
Not better. Situational
Use Ray like late-career Reggie Miller, as part of the (reletively) young legs for our special show called Running with Rajon!
"Celtics bring order and structure to a chaotic world"
Ha ha…your really running with situational now.
by forever_green on Feb 12, 2012 9:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Considering the C's lack ....
center depth and Doc does not play the only other legit center on the bench ( that being Steamer) legit minutes, we still need JO’s contribution especially on defense and his 6 fouls especially come playoff time.
To me JO is no longer a starter, he’s a situational player, like you mentioned against Bynum. I like Wilcox or the young guys getting playing time much better. I wish Doc had the guts to sit JO, but he loves vets.
by forever_green on Feb 12, 2012 7:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Rondo has always been a great PG for Boston.
The problem is consistency. Oftentimes I think those slumps he goes through are more mental than anything else.
Good Post Jeff
Very good words , it is hard to replace rondo or big 3. I agree Rondo sets the bar very high. anyone who watched 2010 playoffs would know what rondo is capable of him. thats why i dont short him ever. he is an MVP but for his injuries and poor games. Once I heard that he confessed to doc he is playing a crappy game against toronto, I felt better. he is atleast not out of his mind. i can totally understand people go through that.
tough losses like against raptors and lakers are when you really have to stay with your team. they came from initial season slump and won 9 out of 10 or something. that itself shows what this team is capable of.
i think rondo should make JJ his alley oop partner. he almost made shaq one but for his injuries.
by Celtics Fan From NJ on Feb 12, 2012 7:10 PM EST reply actions
just a thought........
but can you imagine Rondo with the USA basketball team? He’s running the court with guys like LeBron, Blake Griffin, and Durant or DH12. The pace would be incredible.
This is my hope
That Danny Ainge can some how put Rondo on the floor with just one or two guys with their kind of speed and athleticism. We would see the Rondo we saw today a whole lot more often if he played more minutes with guys who can actually get out in front of him to open seems he can exploit. He’s never had a a guy who can consistently get out in front of him as the Celtics starting PG.
Wilcox and JJJ gave a taste of what Rondo can be if he can consistently get out into the open court.
by CelticsFanNC on Feb 12, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
my question is.......
Who do Celtics fans turn on next? KG? He only had 13-12. PP? The captain only scored 9. JO? He didn’t play. Mark my words, it will happen.
I think I've got it!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We cut Dooling and Bradley and offer contracts to Iverson and Penny Hardaway. We trade Wilcox and Bass for Korver and a fat kid from NJ. We send KG to the Lakers for future considerations and Jack Nicholson’s autograph. And Pierce gets amnestied to save $$$. This GUARANTEES that DH12 comes here!!!!!!!!! Cmon now, ya’ll know I’m onto something here.
rondo has always had the talent, but his game revolves around speed and his passing because of his smarts and big hands— say what you might but the toronto game was pure head case- he was throwing soft passes, no d, and walking the ball up- something was going on and there is more to the story.
i think the big 3 gave him an earful after he disappeared in the 4th qtr of the laker game...
Then Rondo pouted his way through the raptors game. Then in this game he decided that he would show doc and the big 3, he was aggressive from tip-off to game over…
by greensince72 on Feb 12, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
Great game by Rondo of course, but nice adjustment at the end...
after Rondo missed the jumper. Let Pierce run the offense and pick and roll with KG to get the nice shot.
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GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
I always like riding the horse I rode in on.....not changing horses in mid-stream!!!!....Rondo, PIerce, KG and Ray....they're are my horses....I stay in the saddle!!!!!

Is it Soup Yet?
I had to laugh at this
Why do these “horses” look like cows?-LOL!
" Hell yeah I'm trying to gain an advantage out here. If you can't handle it, get off the court."- Kevin Garnett
"Stats are for losers."- Rahim Morris (FORMERLY-Tampa Bay Buccaneers)
Mental case
How does rondo go from stinking to putting up big stats? What is going on with him and this team? Where has his he been the last month or do? This team is Jekyll and hyde. In the end we have no post game and not enough size so if you’re Danny what do you do? Ride it to the end or make a deal! This game only proves that rondo can play when he wants to
by Red2 on Feb 12, 2012 8:23 PM EST via mobile reply actions
If the team is Jekyll and Hyde.....then so is Danny ...he built it....from the ground up....
Just ride it out…..let the contracts expire ..re-sign Ray and maybe KG on the cheap….then go from there.
Is it Soup Yet?
Nice Win!
Great effort from Rondo. Wilcox and Johnson really ran well, credit to them. I think this is a pretty good win, and I know they didn’t have Rose, but we also didn’t have one starter or our sixth man which depletes us significantly too.
When you compare this to the last game it is very confusing to try and figure out where this team is, but a good win!
Im with Po
All the team needs is a little nudge every now and then. Its funny that reading that Chicago blog even they know that a lot of “fans” have been “blowing up” on this team. But whats new the critics have always bet against this team. The only difference this time is that the fairweather guys are taking off the masks and showing thier true color which is fine with me. Im going all in with this team. I bet you we can get out of the East and beat whoever in the west. Rondo once again proved that all our player have that extra gear that we can still turn off and on. Weve seen it before im just suprised not everyone believes in a team they are so invested in.
by The green mamba on Feb 12, 2012 9:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Is letting the Fakir game slip away, blowing a 10 point lead to Cleveland or getting blown out by Toronto (Toronto? the Raptors?) a nudge then? How many nudges are needed? And how long will the glow of this win last? Great win, but Im not sure its “all better”
"Celtics bring order and structure to a chaotic world"
you never know if it is all better.....and that in itself....just means you either wanna blow it up after every loss or two losses or....
you just ride it…..see where it takes you….they’ll be plenty of time after this year, with more cap room to make all kind of moves,……….seldom does it very pay to simply get off your horse in the middle of crossing a river and try to get on another one that may not be any faster, better or stronger than the one you just turned loose in the “river of chance”.…Peace
Is it Soup Yet?
+1 PO
You truly are the enlightened one.
by The green mamba on Feb 12, 2012 9:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Do do you really expect us to win all 82 games every year? There will be games that we will lose some worse than others. But does that mean we are a bad team? No, that just means nobodys perfect. Even the bulls only won 72 games and still lost 10 games during that unbelievable run the had. Im just saying if this is your team you stand behind them come hell or high water. The othe blogs are kinda noticing that a lot of our fans kinda flip flop a lot I think thats kinda more worrisome than the C’s performances.
by The green mamba on Feb 12, 2012 9:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Straw Men Sighting
Dont think anything was said either about winning 82 or blowing it high. Win was great, loved Running with Rondo. Would like to see further episodes. Sorry to rain on your parade.
"Celtics bring order and structure to a chaotic world"
by Tenacious D on Feb 12, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
Im asking so if the Cs winning games doesnt seem to satisfy you, what does? Your asking me how many nudges? I answered that even the best teams lose. When a team keeps winning they get over confident and need a nudge at times a loss or losses does the trick. Like ive said in my previous posts its Garder to defend the celtics against its own fans.
by The green mamba on Feb 13, 2012 1:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh yeah. What do you think it will take to make it “all better”?
by The green mamba on Feb 13, 2012 1:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
What would make it better? More episodes of Running With Rondo, less of Where’s Rondo. JO used of the bench for situations. More jJJ. In short, Doc breaking his patterns/old school tendencies. All that with no trades. As for nudges, this club seems to need them more frequently than is entirely good.
Again, its bad form to carp after a genuinely satisfying win. And its predictable guys in such situations and call out critics ("you said Rajon was a bum mwhahaha). Cheers
"Celtics bring order and structure to a chaotic world"
SMH
Please read succeding posts below.
by The green mamba on Feb 13, 2012 9:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nice win
It was the energy that won it and Rondo was phenomenal. Doc needs to find time for Johnson. Wilcox had a nice game and continues to fulfill the promise of inconsistency, good one game, bad the next. I thought Johnson was the biggest story of the day. Doc needs to find him playing time.
Thats also my only qualm. I wish doc would use the bench a little more. I think Doc has serious trust issues when it comes to who he wants on the floor. LOL
by The green mamba on Feb 12, 2012 9:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Trust issues and the love of veteran’s, I just hope he doesn’t put himself in one day.
by forever_green on Feb 12, 2012 9:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Celtics don't need to trade any of the Big 3 or Rondo
They do need to find a way to play differently though.
They just look so good when Rondo has players to run with. I do not like the JO/KG/PP/RA/RR lineup for long stretches. These guys just are complete polar opposites to the style of play that best suits Rondo.
I’m not saying take KG/PP/RA out of the starting lineup, but JO may need to be replaced. Also, it seems imperitive to get Trey J and Wilcox more time with Rondo as well. Doc needs to use better rotations.
As far as the 4th quarter troubles, I think Pierce needs the ball a little more in the half-court set, but as a distributer, not as an ISO player. More ball-movement is necessary.
" Hell yeah I'm trying to gain an advantage out here. If you can't handle it, get off the court."- Kevin Garnett
"Stats are for losers."- Rahim Morris (FORMERLY-Tampa Bay Buccaneers)
+1
Agree, agree, agree, but a Pierce shot is never a bad thing.
by forever_green on Feb 12, 2012 9:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
agree with KG's Knee....but Wilcox needs consistency and Trey J needs more polish...and that comes with PT
Trey J was “over-running” rebounds it seemed to me. He was chasing the ball instead of boxing out and therefore overran the ball that consistently went over his head….and into his opponents hands.
Is it Soup Yet?
still want to trade Rondo?
And good to see JJJ getting some burn and giving some great contirbutions. Good win.
Rondo sucks
he has to go. I am sorry he’s killing this team. Get rid of him.
OMG Rondo had a triple double! The energy was great tonight! We need this! I love how he was rebounding the ball!
Rolls eyes
"I’m going to probably fade to black,’’ he said. "To be honest, I’m not a showman guy. I’m going to fade to black. I don’t know what I will do. I’m an idealist. I have a high drive and I’m very determined. Fade to black, man, like evaporate.’’
A surprise attack...
Grats to the Celtics today!
Now when Derrick Rose comes back, I wonder if Rondo will still be the same again…but he did amaze me today with a triple-double.
I just hope
when & if we trade Rondo, I hope he ends going to a better team by getting traded again. A winning team where he’s appreciated. He will be criticized, but nowhere near this level. Perhaps the Lakers, Heat, Mavericks, even the Blazers where I think he can thrive. I think he can really thrive in those teams.
And I also hope the Celtics find a point guard that can supposedly shoot better, pass better, and turn it over less.
I can’t wait until what people has to say then.
Nonetheless, always good to get a W, not that it means much coming from Roseless Bulls.
"I’m going to probably fade to black,’’ he said. "To be honest, I’m not a showman guy. I’m going to fade to black. I don’t know what I will do. I’m an idealist. I have a high drive and I’m very determined. Fade to black, man, like evaporate.’’

































