Steve Kerr on Rondo's jump shot: "It gets frustrating for the Celtics"
by Celticsdude on Feb 15, 2012 10:57 AM EST
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"I think, the thing with Rondo... late in games it becomes 4-on-5 in the half court. You know, Kobe was guarding Rondo and basically just sat in the middle of the lane and blew up every set that Boston was trying to run, and I think it gets frustrating for the Celtics. As good as Rondo is... in the half court, it does become difficult to execute offensively..."
A few moments later, Patrick asked, "could you make him a better shooter?" To what Kerr's response was, "No, I don't think so."
This isn't a hater talking. This isn't a guy who has a beef with Rondo or the Celtics. I personally agree with Kerr and I think it's going to be a huge problem in the playoffs against smart teams.
Be respectful and keep it clean. Thanks.
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You're point may be valid in somethings...
But it’s not valid here. We can’t utilize our skill,execution, and talent unless the defenders actually start DEFENDING rondo, in a half-court situation.
Thanks for the quote, Celticsdude. I’ve always trusted Kerr basketball wise.
isnt shooting a skill?
isnt rondos greatest strength his smarts?
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by piccolomair on Feb 15, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
I think the point is
Rondo has to figure out a way to make sure he is guarded all the time and maybe that means he has to figure his jump shot out or maybe he slashes to the basket a lot more without the ball and maybe it means he has to just run more in the half court and just keep moving to force his defender to move but we can have an offense where one defender can just roam the middle
by JuJuan some moore on Feb 15, 2012 11:58 AM EST via mobile reply actions
The frustrating part is in knowing he can shoot.
Cause we’ve seen it, 10-13 at the line in Chicago, a series of mid-range jump shots from the shoulder that looked fluid and smooth.
When he’s in rhythm and shooting with confidence, his from is solid, he gets a nice snap of the wrist, good rotation on the ball, and when he gets his legs into the shot and keep the ball in from of him, everything looks smooth.
But then other times, he gets tentative (the LA game) and either flat our refuses to shoot, forcing shots off balance in the lane, or when he does shoot, it’s late in the clock and clearly rushed. You can visually see the difference in the shot, he strong arms it, doesn’t get lift in the legs, little rotation on the ball, and the arc is all off.
Rondo knows how to shoot, it’s just all about rhythm is confidence. He’s not a pure shooter, he never will be, some guys just aren’t. But through enough repetition, that confidence can build, and the form just because second nature, where you don’t have to think about it anymore. This is the “Jason Kidd” evolution of a shooter.
I still believe Rondo can get there, but yes, it’s very frustrating right now to see him be so on and off with it.
Don't think he will ever get close to Kidd's evolution as a shooter
Jason Kidd is 3rd all time in 3 pointers made, Kidd has the range and though he is not a great shooter he still has some talent for it. Rondo’s willingness to shoot the jumper isn’t his only issue, he just doesn’t have the natural talent for it. You can tell he works hard on it despite what some Rondo haters thinks, and it has improved. Just not nearly enough to say he could reach Kidd levels a couple years from now.
Look at his early career stats.
He’s 3rd all time because he’s been around a long, long time. When you play 17 years, you’re going to put up some numbers.
If you look at numbers, Rondo is every bit as good of a shooter as Kidd is. The difference is, Kidd will take those shots late in games because of confidence, and he has the rep as a guy who will knock down shots, so defenses respect that.
Take for reference, both players TS% (True Shooting), and eFG (effective Field Goal) last season:
2010-2011 Season:
Kidd: TS% .500 eFG% .472
Rondo: TS% .495 eFG% .482
Pretty close, I’d say.
So again, it’s not ability, it’s confidence. Rondo has to make teams pay late in games when they dare him to beat them. And we just haven’t seen that consistently enough.
"every bit as good of a shooter as kidd is"
If you just glance at the numbers and that indicates a favorable comparison for you, that’s cool. If you dig into the numbers , however, you would see that rondo’s numbers for the year are as follows, fgm%-. 491% 3pt%-.200 ft%. 620
J. Kidds numbers. Fgm%-.293% 3pt%-.273 ft%.857
PRETTY FAIR COMPARISON – comparing a 26 yr PG to a 38 yr old injured PG. LOL
Career – Jason Kidd. 401%, 3pt% .347% ft%.784
Career rajon Rondo .481% 3pt% .239% ft%.622
You can’t just look at a set of numbers without looking at the meaning behind those numbers…
by greensince72 on Feb 15, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
whoops, my bad, that is this years stats...
Last years stats were. 475%, 3pt% .233, ft%.568%
by greensince72 on Feb 15, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
effective FG % and TS% are the standard for shooting metrics.
When it comes to advanced stats.
TS factors in foul shooting as part of a true %, and eFG weights 3 point shots higher due to the higher value of the shot.
It’s long been understood that base FG, 3Pt, and FT % in and of themselves are a weak assessment of true shooting ability, hence why advanced metrics developed true shooting and effective field goal.
But thanks for playing.
So your saying
Rondo is as good a shooter as Jason Kidd?
hard to say about clutch - the sample size for Rondo is small
because most of his career our clutch time utilization has been dominated by Pierce and Ray.
Most players over time end up with clutch time shooting % stats similar to their overall shooting % stats.
In my opinion, the ‘Rondo can’t shoot’ myth is mainly that. His real percentages from 16-23 feet have been fairly consistently good through most of his career – usually a little over 40%, better than league average and definitely better than the average PG. That’s the distance he takes the vast majority of his jump shots.
However, I will say that just because it is a myth doesn’t mean it doesn’t have power to affect reality. Defenses do continue to play him as if he can’t make that shot. What he needs to do is, as you imply – continue to take that shot whenever it is offered until defenses start to respect it. He’s been doing that more this year and that’s a good thing. But it will take time to overcome the power of the myth.
Rondo’s one real weakness that isn’t myth continues to be poor FT shooting. He shows signs of improvement in spurts. But then he’ll post a 4-9 like last night. Argh. If he could JUST get his FT% consistently above 70%, he’d be unstoppable.
NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.
If it was only a myth and his jumper has "arrived"
Wouldn’t we be enjoying the benefits of teams playing off of him, and wouldn’t he be making open jumpers left and right? Because he has a lot of room to work with, especially on pick and rolls they go under the screen every single time. Honestly Rondo’s jumper has improved, just don’t think it has hit that point where teams sagging off of him = odds of winning in favor of Celtics.
That doesn't take into account shot selection
Rondo shoots a lot more shots at the rim than Jason Kidd does, especially Kidd being that old. Also you are assuming that if Rondo takes more shots his % will stay the same, what is that based on? Also in 2010-2011 Kidd averaged 4.9 three pointers a game, out of 7.5 shots per game total. Rondo was .6 three pointers out of 9.9, he has always shot a high fg% and that increases his ts% that does not mean he is as good of a shooter as Kidd is. If Rondo really has become a legit shooting threat then all he has to do is make a ton of open jumpers, until they are forced to play up on him. We have not seen that once.
forgot to add attempted
for the 4.9 and .6 three pointers per game
Did they bring up how left was a role player who had 1 job. To shoot. And rondo is responsible for getting ray, kg, pierce touches, along with keeping the bigs happy so they run.
Valid point.
Easy for someone who’s entire job on the court was to do nothing but run around and shoot whenever he touches the ball to cast stones, huh?
To be fair
He actually praised Rondo in the interview. He wasn’t taking shots at him, but pointed this as a huge problem for the Celtics and Rondo right now.
steve kerr played professional basketball, and is now a paid basketball analyst...
Maybe he is basing his numbers on the following FACTS, not “opinions”, during the 2010-2011 season Rondo was ranked as the 196th “best???” Player during crunch time. Crunch time for those that don’t understand is a game with 5 min. Or less to go in the 4th qtr, or overtime, with less than a 5 pt game, in other words “when it matters”. Rondo shot an effective. 343% from the field, averaging 0.6 pts per 48, attempted 1 ft, shooting 66%ft, and drew a foul on 5.4% of the teams possessions during crunch time… PERHAPS, Steve Kerr has a valid point. If I was playing the celtics, I would sag off Rondo 6-8 feet for the ENTIRE game, effectively making Rondo beat me every game while taking the other four players out of their sets…
I hear ya.
And it’s true. That’s exactly what happened in the LA game.
Sagged off Rondo, prevented his ability to get the ball to anyone else, and dared him to beat them.
He didn’t, clearly.
But Chicago was another story, where he attempted 6 free throws in the 4th quarter, and hit a couple of jumpers.
So… ya. Like we’ve been talking about, that’s where the frustration comes in. We know he’s capable of it, we’ve seen it, but he doesn’t bring it every night. Frustrating.
Exactly, odds are against the Celtics in those scenarios
If Rondo can make the jumpers and free throws, the other teams will take the loss. Rondo and the Celtics can still score when the strategy is employed but the chance is definitely lower, makes it harder on the team as a whole.
But he can make them.
The numbers will tell you, Rondo can shoot.
He just has to get it into his head that he can’t differ to other guys late in games anymore, cause that’s what teams will expect. He has to make them pay for taking that chance, and he has to do it with confidence.
Make or miss, he needs to adapt the Ray Allen philosophy, “The next ones always going in.”
if he is within 15-18 feet from the rim...
Rondo is shooting about 78% of his shots from 0 – 18 feet, he is shooting. 491%, 3pt% .200
FT%.620…
by greensince72 on Feb 15, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe Rondo
Needs to just shoot if a guy is giving him 8 feet of room no matter if its 18ft or a 3 pointer or if its the first or last posetion of the game, if any other starting point guard was left that open they’d shoot. Maybe he needs to just clank 300 shots until he starts making them. Once he starts making wide open jump shots then people will know not to leave him wide open. This will open up other opportunities for the team.
Rondo
Needs to change the way he shoots i can really tell how hard it is to make a shot with his left elbow all the way up other than that he’s all good he just need to change it that’s all
KERR?
rondo is,was and will always be better than steve kerr!!
rondo is a far, far better player than kerr...
But how many game winning shots has Rondo made? How many playoff games has Rondo sunk the game winning shot on??? IDK, just asking…
what we really need...
the real problem is the celts need players that are young and athletic that can run with rondo for 48 minutes!!!keep rondo!!!in 2008 the big 3 can run and are all healthy and result is banner 17!!! we will be in the playoffs come may but maybe as far as the 2nd round because by then our veteran players probably injured and misses multiple games….
by true_celticsphilippines on Feb 15, 2012 11:48 PM EST reply actions
Yep
That’s why they lost that Miami series last season. They just were able to get more possessions because of their athleticism. Along with a lot of easy baskets in transition. It was frustrating to watch, really. We were right there with them every game but they just were able to get those extra possessions.
by packallday555 on Feb 17, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
THANK YOU KERR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Only people who arent ignorant can understand the fundamentals of shooting and how it CANNNOT be taught overnight espicially after your already in the NBA. If rondo came this far into the NBA and didnt learn how to shoot, I can guarantee you HE WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO SHOOT CONSISTINTELY. You have to be a joke to believe he will learn, and whoever does believe he will learn, probably never played the game of basketball.
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