Gasol, Deron, or Have Faith In Rondo?
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Rondo is undoubtedly the best player of the Celtics right now. But is he enough to lead the team for Banner 18? That is the biggest question every C's fan is trying to answer to their minds up to this point in time.
Few weeks ago there were rumors of a Gasol-Rondo trade that emerged and at the same time, astonished many NBA fans. Not only that one's curiosity will make you wonder with the idea, but most importantly, the "mortal sin" with the aforesaid notion since it will be a planned transaction between two renowned rivals established way back in the past histories of the NBA. We Celtics fans immediately resisted with the idea, but on the other hand it really makes sense.
CELTICS ACQUIRING GASOL
PROS: Arguably the best power forward in the league, will solve the C's rebounding woes, Gasol (7'0") and Garnett (6'11") will constitute a difficult matchup for opposing teams (they are not only excellent mid range shooters, but they also assist pretty well for a big man), definitely will add size.
CONS: Old at 32 years old, big salary, C's will lost their best player: Rajon Rondo and his cheap salary.
LAKERS ACQUIRING RONDO
PROS: They do not only solve their team's PG position, but they significantly upgraded it with a TOP 5 PG in the league, they add a young all star player that they could build around together with Bynum.
CONS: His inconsistency and attitude is really a problem (I doubt he would not have any clash with Kobe Bryant atleast once a week, or make it everyday).
FIrst off, Rondo-Kobe-Bynum trio is scary, really scary. But Gasol-Garnett-Pierce-Allen + the deep bench is also scary, maybe even scarier. When we lost Rondo because of a wrist injury, if my memory serves me right, we've won 9 of those 10 games without him. Our only lost was with the Suns, which I believe is a team we can beat anytime. Many C's players stepped up like Bradley, Moore, Bass and of course Captain Pierce. If the Celtics can win without Rondo, how much more if we add an intelligent 7 - footer player who killed the C's winning streak because of his dominance in the interior? The problem with Rondo that's why many people doubt on him is because he is not clutch, he may be dominant from 1st to 3rd quarter, but when 4th quarter comes when you needed him the most, he will vanish like a bubble. An example? Yesterday's game vs the Pistons and C's previous loss against the Lakers. In short he is not a closer, which he should be since he is the best player of the Celtics in the present. He even becomes a liability in which we saw when Kobe dares to make him shoot by not guarding him much on the C'-Lakers game. But then again just like I said, Rondo is still the best player of the Celtics. In this shortened season, big changes like this will significantly alter the chemistry of the team. Let us also remember that Rondo of all has the fullest knowledge of all the sets and plays of Doc, removing him will be like teaching again the PG of the C's (whether it will be Bradley, Moore or whomever player they will acquire if Rondo will be traded) all over from scratch, and this might cost them another shot for the Championship very much like last year.
Next idea, Deron for Rondo.
Deron is struggling, so as Rondo. I don't know but my gut feel tells me Deron will be traded for Rondo at the deadline, and I know given the opportunity DA will certainly pull the trigger. Unlike with the previous trade, I like this better. It is a safe PG to PG trade that could benefit both teams. Nets would get an All Star PG who is committed long term for a cheap contract. Without the assurance of Dwight going to Nets this season or the off season, I believe the Nets will be satisfied for such acquisition of Rondo. A relatively entertaining player with his passing skills and a player that they could build around, not bad. On the other hand of course the Celtics will also benefit from this. They get a TOP 5 PG who will add some offensive power to the team which at the same time has an excellent instinct on assists.
To sum it up,
CELTICS ACQUIRING WILLIAMS
PROS: Young Top 5 PG, assists and scores at a high rate, gives the Celtics another dimension on the offensive end (unlike Rondo, he will not be a liability on offense), and lastly be ready for this........................... D-WIl on Celtics = D Howard on Celtics, agree?
CONS: not sure if he will extend after his contract expires this season, we will lost Rondo (obviously).
Gasol, Deron, or have faith with Rondo?
My answer? It doesn't matter, I'm not the GM.
Go C's!
Be respectful and keep it clean. Thanks.
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Definitely would not do the Gasol trade. I'd rather suffer through a terrible season than help the Lakers.
Because of the Jerry Sloan fiasco, Deron Williams has gotten a reputation as a bad locker room guy. I’m not so sure that’s a fair judgement, as we know little about what was going on with that franchise that still appears to be in a mess.
I also hate the idea of gambling that Deron would resign here. I know he and Dwight would love to play together, and Deron-Dwight duo is better.
Either way, I would absolutely hate to see Rondo go. He’s controversial and sometimes maddening, but I love the kid (I can say kid, because I’m two weeks older).
However, if we make the playoffs this year (and it has turned into an IF), Deron would be a huge help to getting us deep into the playoffs and possibly the Finals. And he would be a better draw for Howard.
If we pull the trigger, I’d hope it would be for Deron. But if that doesn’t happen, I’d still be happy.
Terrible Ideas
I don’t want any part of Gasol.
Aren’t we old enough?
Williams- i don’t want any part of a Guy that ran a HOF Coach out of Utah!
Go Back to the Drawing Board!
Williams is a swing for the fences either he resigns and we get Howard or he doesn’t resign and we get nothing. I don’t know if this is legal but if I was the gm I would put a clause in the trade that says if deron resigns in the offseason they get the clippers pick if not we get their first round pick unprotected
by JuJuan some moore on Feb 16, 2012 12:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Rondo can lead us to a championship.
I disagree with all this hate on Rondo. He is already an NBA champion and can do it again. He is proving the haters wrong night after night. We would regret trading him this season.
The strategy should be to get YOUNGER.
3 points:
1. I would trade Big 3 before trading our best player but if we MUST trade Rondo
2. I absolutely HATE trading for 30 something Gasol and his huge contract; so if we trade Rondo then….
3. Our best bet would be to get Deron straight-up in a 1 for 1 trade (but only if he agrees to void his opt out clause, so that means we get him for 1.5 years.)
I repeat I would not trade Rondo but IF I did it would be for DERON not Gasol or Lowry, et al.
Ainge has said he wants a superstar in return IF he pulls trigger so I think we can trust him on this one.
My mistake.
I don’t think Rondo and Williams salary match, so we would have to throw in O Neal’s expiring. Nets can’t get a better deal than this for Deron.
But I still don’t think we should do it. I still say Rondo is top 5 PG and top 20 player in this league and he’s young with a beautiful contract.
by florida dodger on Feb 16, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Rondo didn't lead us to that championship
He contributed to one and can contribute to more rings in the future. But it was the lead by the big 3.
Wow. Way to stick to your opinion…deron, gasol or rondo, I’m not. gm.
None of us are. Don’t be afraid of saying you would move rondo for ….. just be ok with people disagreeing or agreeing with you.
I’m in the middle of rondo / Williams. Gasol I wouldn’t. Deron is better than rondo but I’m not sure he can or knows how to win in the playoffs. Aka do what it takes. Seems like he has bought in to what Lebrons philosophy is….just get your numbers and no one will blame you.
lebron has been to the finals twice and is a fantastic team player so idk what youre talking about there. he tried too hard not to get his numbers in the finals so he wouldnt get blamed and thats why he got blamed
by JuJuan some moore on Feb 16, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
either way
Does deron Williams seem different?
For the record I ment get his numbers during the regular season.
Lebron was a superstar on a terrible cavs team
Deron was a superstar on a terrible jazz team and terrible nets team so of course he gets awesome numbers and doesn’t look like he helps the team. If rondo played for the nets he would put up insane stats too but the team would still be terrible
by JuJuan some moore on Feb 16, 2012 3:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ok. That said, deron will make 8 million more than rondo next year.
both will be in the lower half of the play off standings if the teams they play on don’t make big changes.
Both have been all stars.
What do you take?
Garnett is making 21 million ill take deron Williams. Pierce plus Williams plus Howard = 54 million
I’ll take that over pierce Allen garnett rondo = 62 million
by JuJuan some moore on Feb 16, 2012 3:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I would be ok with that trio, does deron have any interest in playing here? It’s been really hard for any big name in the prime players to sign here. I think that has to be considered. If you look at what Memphis/okc/Chicago has going compared to Miami. I’ll take the first group.
I would still wait and trade pierce at the draft and get a young player or a good pick. Build around a young team including rondo.. a drummond, Barnes, rivers pick. Add kris Joseph and/or fab melo in the draft. Sign green. Trade for an al Jefferson type player…aka..under contract and can produce. I think its a high gamble to move rondo now for a FA player at the end of the year. Risk over does the reward
Actually, that was some pretty good Jazz teams.
He and Boozer were winning 50+ games together. Unfortunately for them, they always had to play the Lakers and just couldn’t get past them.
by KY Celts fan on Feb 16, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
I'm also torn with the idea
of a williams-rondo trade, or just keep rondo. But I think I’m more of pulling the trigger with this one. We need some offense and our best player should be a go-to guy because if not, I don’t know if it is enough for a Championship. I want the Celtics to be Champions again before one of the Big 3 finally signs off with their careers.
by ball is green on Feb 16, 2012 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
IF we made a trade with the lakers then the only way we should do it is for bynum or for gasol,morris and both of their first round picks
by JuJuan some moore on Feb 16, 2012 2:31 PM EST reply actions
I would like the picks. Can we move gasol for a younger PF/C afterward? Or is gasol the missing piece to landing a Howard?
thats a good point if we moved gasol after we could get maybe 3 or four first round picks(1 or 2 from LA 1 or 2 for gasol) for rondo plus our two
by JuJuan some moore on Feb 16, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Folks - keep in mind we already have 3 picks this year
and we likely will keep most if not all of our current youngsters: Bradley, JJ, & E’Twaun that’s six VERY young slots out of a 15 man roster. All would be under age 23.
If nothing else changes, we could have Rondo, Steimsma and Jeff Green as well – that’s 9 players under age 27 next year.
So beware of gathering picks just to gather picks. You have to have a plan on what to do with all those picks/youngsters. In other words, figure out how you can leverage them into either higher picks or veterans.
NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.
i think houston might give us the two picks for pau
but i doubt LA gives us 2 picks and pau for rondo
by JuJuan some moore on Feb 16, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
One thing should be perfectly obvious....
NO on Gasol.
what if we sent
rondo and oneal to LA for gasol and their two first round picks
then sent gasol to houston for their two first round picks
then we have picks 15,17,18,21,22,25,47 that would really jump start our rebuilding
by JuJuan some moore on Feb 16, 2012 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
Rondo and JO are not worth 2 first round picks. Gasol is not worth 2 first round picks.
Even if they were, do you really want to go into next year with TEN players under age 23?
That’s not just rebuilding. That’s starting off an expansion team.
Rookies are exciting and full of potential, but this is a veteran dominated league. That squad would probably be lucky to win 30 games.
So, you have a plan to trade those picks, right?
NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.
id take 10 young players
well i figured we could trade up to get a top 3 pick but even if we used each pick for us then we have a ton of cap room (since they are all on rookie deals) to sign veteran free agents and we cut or trade the bums we pick and sign more free agents
by JuJuan some moore on Feb 16, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
That's not really a plan, though.
That’s just bunch of vague possible notions. Who is going to give you a higher pick in exchange for multiple lower picks?
We already have a ton of cap space coming. We already will have a bunch of youngsters & picks.
I’m a skeptical buyer. You need to do a better job of pitching your idea!
NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.
its flexibility not a plan
you cant just say sign dwight is your plan or whatever because we dont know that free agents want to come here and we dont know what players will declare for the draft/ not get injured
by JuJuan some moore on Feb 17, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
deron only adds an extra dimension in the game...
his three point shot..other than that, overall rondo has more upsides than deron..i still am for the traditional point guard, a passer first..besides rondo jacks up points if needed..
Do it!!!!!
I trade rondo and JO for Gasol. Then I would package ray Allen and picks for monta Ellis. By doing this, the C’s have a better chance of competing this year. Additionally, they will have the ability to acquire one max player or multiple mid level free agent signings.
rivalry?
Maybe if Rajon smiled all the time and ran at half speed everyone except the Lakers would like him.
by west coast celtic on Feb 17, 2012 2:03 AM EST reply actions
We have to trade the two first rounders
we know Doc won’t want to play the guys anyway, so why waste the roster spots.
by jackscompletelackofsurprise on Feb 18, 2012 4:10 AM EST reply actions
i still have faith in RR
not so much with PP or Ray anymore…when those 2 play terrible, we lose.

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