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Though I have been critical of Doc, i would at least like to acknowledge a couple of nice adjustments made in the last two games. Posting up Rondo has been mostly effective--and gives the team another option. Doc has also used the baseline pick and roll more (I emphasized this play in past post)- Wilcox got two dunks,ray got a jumper, and Garnett got fouled in the 5 or 6 times we ran it. Rondo's shot looked OK --even his misses were on target for the most part (just a bit short or long).
Now the bad news.
1. What does JO do to warrant extra minutes against a team with no real post threat? Nice charges taken-- but a non factor at both ends otherwise.
2. One play at the 6:42 mark of the 3rd quarter sums up our fate. A 4 on 2, PP runs to the block, RA runs to the 3 pt line, and Wilcox to the other block. Rondo throws to allen (of course), immediately cutting our chance to score to 42%. On a four on two, most teams would get a foul, a dunk or lob. Nope. Then after RA misses, RR rebounds- hits PP on baseline, where most SF would dunk, power it in, or get fouled. Nope. We miss weakly, Bulls rebound and eventually score on (you guessed it) a transition basket.
3. AGAIN, we get close in the 4th quarter- and then can't score for about three minutes--- a 10-0 run puts Bulls in charge. All jumpers, Rondo no factor. I don't feel the need to further relive this reoccurring nightmare that Celtic fans have endured on a frighteningly regular basis.
4. Why does it seem like every set we have has two guys at the elbow (effectively blocking any lane for Rondo)- while RA and PP are square dancing in the lane so they can come off a screen? Meanwhile Rondo has to pound the ball for 10 seconds because there is nowhere he could go anyway. Westbrook, Rose, etc always seem to have a lane to attack-- and spacing is such that the key is left open. The bulls sent two guys to the corner, then drove from the top. Whichever help guy collapsed, the ball would go to the corner for a wide open shot, or dumped low for a high percentage shot. Please correct me if I'm wrong about these sets. I would love to see an open post continuity of some sort, to allow a drive to the middle with several options ensuing (score, dish, lob, offensive board).
5. How can MIKE JAMES- he of the ten day contract- function as if he has been with the Bulls forever? If we were to add a point guard, I am led to believe that we could not incorporate him into our "complicated systems" for at least 10 days (thus requiring an additional 10 day contract (lol)). But seriously, are we making the game too complicated?
6. Why do we refer to lack of practice as an excuse as if (1) other teams are somehow in a different situation (2) that OUR practices are so holy and intricate that it requires much more time than any system in the league. (3) that we shouldn't actually have an ADVANTAGE because the Big 4 have run the same stuff since 2008. Please, no more of this garbage.
i'm really torn about watching these guys finish out the season with honor -- or sending some away for audition pieces (athletic) to see what they and Rondo can accomplish in a simplified transition offense. if nothing else- it might tell us which direction to go in the off-season. Sorry for the rant--- you may not agree, but these are the things I see.
Be respectful and keep it clean. Thanks.
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truly u are pissed off...
but i agree with your observations i just wish someone from doc’s staff take notice and blow it. .no shout it on rivers ear.
We have been the worst 4th qtr team in the league right now for how can doc explain how we can hang around even with the best or worst teams in the league yet get obliterated when it truly matters.. Doc should really just simplify the offense as what you have said. NEWYORK for example runs PnR almost exclusively for lin and look where they are now riding on a 7 game wining streak..
We should just accept it..big 3 are washed up..they would probably just come off the bench at this stage of their careers if they are not on the C’s right now.
Thanks
P for putting at least part of my same rant into a readable form!
Have come to appreciate your well thought out posts, or rants!
My anger is becoming more focused on Doc. Obviously the players love him. He is a great motivator, and truly believe a friend to his guys! But that alone a coach does not make. If he can’t get the offense going, get somebody in there that can. Always heard the C’s had six basic plays, with about a zillion options off of each. Well lets just cut it down to the basic six or so then!
And, Doc, enough of the schoolgirl- “I’m mad at you, so you’re not going to play for a week” BS. Your rooks didn’t have a preseason to learn. They get almost no practice time. So how about cuttin’ them some damn slack!!!!!!!!!!! Almost more than their real skill that they do have, we need their freakin’ energy they bring to the floor! And maybe when Ray is in a 0 for infinity shooting slump, we could maybe, just maybe give ETM a look. Been so long since we’ve seen him, forgot he was still on the team!
Ok, that’s my rant-I’m so frustrated with this coach and team, ugh…………………………………
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is right on Que for the most part. JO is useless for the minutes he plays. Doc is too loyal to him and is hurting the cohesiveness of the first unit. IMHO, Wilcox has earned the right to take minutes from JO. Rondo is setting him up for nice alley-oops the same way he used to for KG. JO can’t even hit the 8 ft jumper anymore. I had to laugh last night when Reggie Miller stated how Rondo had to feed the BIg Guy (JO) for running the floor. If that was running then I am an elite track athlete. Also, you mentioned the Bulls getting a 10 – 0 run, guess who just came in to replace Wilcox when that run started? JO needs to go.
4th qtr- This never seems to amaze me but when the C’s close on the lead, the ball is handled by Pierce or RA most of the time. The guy (Rondo) who creates is now ineffective. I understand that they wanted to post him up and was effective for a while but it was obvious that Rondo posting up against Mike James had little success. Again, what was JO doing on the floor in the 4th, he’s useless. Also in the 4th, what happened to the defense? Why did it become an Open Range around and in the paint? Sad!!!
Mike James is an experienced player and was allowed to play his game. I don’t recall any set plays for him to run.
Finally in reference to your lack of practice comment. Totally Agree with you. If anything, it should be an advantage because these guys have been playing long enough with each other that they should have a good sense of who is doing what and when.
It is frustrating to watch these guys as we used to know them. It seems they have lost their MOJO as a unit. What is it going to take for this team to get it back? IMHO, One more athletic and intimidating post up style big guy, while dumping O’Neil at the same time.
Don't see anything ridiculous in your post
J.O. even with his old knees/shoulder is a better defender than Wilcox but I would rather play Wilcox for movement/offense. WIth KG there the defense will still be solid and Wilcox can learn enough to not be a bad defender. Practice wise I think they did need time earlier in the season to learn the defense, because for the most part it is now at a very high level. Wouldn’t mind different offensive sets, it is possible Doc is getting too predictable, and we all have seen the Rondo dribble at the top of the key for 10-15 seconds waiting for the play to run too many times.
absolutely a great post!
for YEARS we have had three 20000 point scorers on our team and they create a below average offensive display. The examples you gave as to why are as good as any. It doesn’t make sense its still going on. The truth is since KG won’t go in the post and we don’t have a center who will and we have a point guard who can’t or won’t shoot open 20 footers, they just don’t work well together. And DA and Doc really don’t change anything
I think & hope the last 5 games, la, Toronto, Chicago, Detroit, Chicago, has shown Danny Ainge and Doc that March 1st – 15th will be tough. Tough trades to do and not do. I have thought pierce should be the moved piece cause teams like S.A., Dallas, Chicago, indy can use a SF with play off experience so you can get a pick plus a young wing.
I would LOVE a
K. Leonard from the spurs, or a
T.Gibson from Chicago.
And pierce can get you one of them plus a pick to help that team to get passed Miami or okc.
If indy can give up a Paul George for pierce than you HAVE to do any of these trades just to not get back to the 20 win season.
Rondo at the very least has shown he can put numbers up, and make average players better…Wilcox… so let’s just get young, let contracts go. Say thank you to kg, ray, Paul retire the jerseys at the last game no matter if they play or not next year Aka pierce.
just a question
Is the Celtic situation similar to the lakes situation when Shaq was asked to give up shots and touches to kobe. Has doc, by saying rondo has to start to take 15+ shots a game. Alternated how pierce and ray feel.
Don’t misunderstand me, I’m not saying rondo is as good as kobe. But its been a big 3 team. To a rondo team.
Are the questions answered as easily as egos have become an issue behind the scenes, not just rondo but pierce, ray etc.. are they now seeing the writing and becoming stubborn and saying give me touches and I can do it. Than when they get the ball and try to hard.
4 on 2 fast break
Does Ray really only hit wide open 3’s on fast breaks at a 42% clip? Or are you considering his overall 3pt %? Because if that’s the case, then you should consider a Pierce/Wilcox field goal at around a 50 % chance of going in… if you want to compare apples to apples that is.
No
I don’t have exact numbers— my point is that most teams will finish a 4 on 2 at much highrer rate than RA making a three point shot. It is more about settling for the three, and the inability to finish around the rim. When your power forward and small forward miss dunks, resort to finger rolls, and/or throw the ball back out for a 20 foot jumper you have a problem.
yes
on occasion the three point option is a good one – especially with RA. But we tend to RELY on this option , often not even looking to make a simple pass-catch-finish play.
As action781 alludes to
the idea behind starting with Ray (or Paul) at the arc for the first shot in this is based on numbers and greed. Remember, it is worth 3 points, not 2.
Ray’s eFG% from 3PT range is 72% this year. Even allowing that number is inflated by his other-worldly hot start to the season, his career eFG% from 3PT range is solidly around 60%.
Throw in a bump for the fact that he’s wide open on this play and it is probably effectively higher. Throw in the fact that you have two guys there for the rebound and I don’t have a problem with the decision to attack initially with a 3PT shot.
The only real point for complaint is the inability to convert the second chance. But that seems to me to be on the players’ execution, not the coach.
NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.
All fair points
and statistically its probably a wash. Again, my main point was that this lack of ability and/or mindset to settle for jumpers permeates the entire offensive approach (not to mention rubbing off on Pietrus, and others who are less stellar shooters than RA). This is only one of many points in my OP, and the sum of those points illustrates (IMO) why we are inconsistent— and in need of some changes.

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