Peter May: How About Rondo For Deron Williams?
by Jeff Clark on Feb 21, 2012 8:27 PM EST
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The idea isn't a new one, but I think it is worth talking about. If the Nets knew they couldn't get Howard and didn't have a chance of keeping Williams, then the Celtics would be a very logical team to contact I think.
Here's an idea: Deron Williams for Rajon Rondo
One person in the Nets organization who is not directly connected to negotiations with Williams offered his opinion on the star's intentions, saying he doesn't think there's any chance the guard stays with New Jersey. He also thought the team would be wise to come to grips with that and trade him before the March 15 deadline. If Williams is available, and you're the Celtics, don't you dust off the Chris Paul trade folder and go hard for him? You'd have to part with Rajon Rondo and someone else (Jermaine O'Neal fits neatly from a cap standpoint) to get the deal done. But it's worth it if you're the Celtics.
Of course you'd need to get some assurance from Williams that he'd stick around, but given Howard's preference to play with Williams, he might be enough to entice Dwight to Beantown. I think it would at least be worth a shot.
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only if deron agrees to an extention , dwight would have to take a paycut to come here i think though
unless we amnesty pierce & load up with FA’s in the offseason
I would do this
Regardless of whether it would be enough to entice Dwight or not.
Absolutely, assuming it makes DH more feasible
and, if Ray & KG would sign for the min., otherwise, a RR + #1 pick (+ JO -waived) to Utah for Millsap and Harris would still leave our cap $ intact
+1
If trading Rondo for Williams can help lure Dwight to Boston I think thats a trade the C’s should very much contemplate.
If we could not acquire Paul to lure Dwight to Boston maybe Williams can be the bait we need to do so.
saw this trade on orlando pinstripe post
and i thought it was one of the better trades ive seen regarding dwight howard, it works out for everybody involved.
To Boston: Steve Nash, JJ Redick, Robin Lopez
To Phoenix: Pau Gasol, Steve Blake, Daniel Orton
To Los Angeles: Dwight Howard, Hedo Turkoglu, Channing Frye
To Orlando: Andrew Bynum, Rajon Rondo, Jermaine O’neal, Avery Bradley
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Eeehhhh... No?
I don’t like it, man. And I wanted Steve Nash back when I thought we were still contenders but…….. Not anymore… This trade is clearly a dream scenario for a Magic fan.
Silly.. Not likely or plausible.
It’s a nice thought but that many teams coming together for that huge of a trade is highly unlikely. Interesting but overall I’d say not worth it for the celts to gain more age and inexperience. The only solid player there is redick… And that’s pretty sad considering what is given up.
On topic: D-Will is one of the FEW trades I’d accept. He is a phenomenal point who would bring a ton of offensive shooting presence. It would open up pierce and Allen greatly and D-Will would likely dish 10+ assists a game easy and drop a 17+ a game. I’d take that. Again – one of the VERY few players id accept in the case of being worth losing rondo.
Remember guys, it’s not worth trading rondo for something that doesn’t add much.. IE Nash and gortat or Nash and Lopez? Yes it adds much to the needed center position but now your starting a guy older then everyone else… Terrible idea.
Players id accept: Gasol, D-how, D-will, Griffin (most implausible of all), and a few other house hold proven names to bring youth and either a center or shooting threat point. (This does not include CP3 – I feel he is not a huge upgrade on rondo – personally).
I’ll admit, still sad to see rondo go if he does but for the likes of D-will it’s acceptable 100%. Losing o’neal would be bad though (not that I’m a fan of starting him! Personally I’d start wilcox over o’neal of he were healthy!) so hopefully we could find something in return or free agency at center that or start getting serious about Jajaun Johnson.
That’s my two cents as a fellow fan.
by RR_The_Future on Feb 21, 2012 9:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Just because it has...
Doesn’t make it likely. The only people in all those names who want to be traded is pau and Ainge of course shopping rondo. That’s 2 of the like 10 listed players. It’s a highly unlikely trade.
by RR_The_Future on Feb 22, 2012 10:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm interested in reading that...
Do you have the link for that rumor? I looked on Orlando Pinstriped Post but couldn’t find it?
yea
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by piccolomair on Feb 21, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
Hahahahhahahahahahahahaha
No.
Celtics would not get ANY benefit from this trade. An old PG, a three point shooter, and an inconsistent Center.
Jeez people.
Disagree. Nash can still play at a high level and probably will do so for another couple of years.
Reddick is a dead eye shooter who, wait for it, score those points that we desperately need right now. Lopez is inconsistent but he has been wallowing in NJ and would benefit from a change. He has the skills. So I respectfully disagree we get nothing from this trade. I hate to give up Bradley but that would be my only regret.
Adding more age..
Is not a solution to an already stagnant offense. Rondo is the only spark on the celtics and adding in another old guy takes that away and slows the celtics offense even more. I suppose even though our offense is already last in pace, Nash couldn’t make us go any lower in standings but we would definitely get worse with. IMHO anyways. Redick is another inconsistent shooter – he would be a nice addition but not really worth it. Lopez is the only plus once it’s all considered. Which is exactly what we lost if we send out o’neal. An inconsistent injury prone center.
by RR_The_Future on Feb 22, 2012 10:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nash leads the lead in assists.
He shoots better than Rondo. Professional. Hungry for a ring. Fits in great with the vets. Rondo has 3 years left on his deal. Can Nash give us a high quality stint here for the next 3 years? Keeps himself in shape and is playing really well. I think he can give us a couple of solid years, like Rondo will.
Reddick is very consistent so disagree with you there. I am not advocating the deal but it makes much more sense if the idea is to win this year with the Big 3 before they ride off into the sunset.
That deal actually seems possible.
As for the Celtics, we get everything we need to make a deep run this year. I am reluctant to give up Bradley. I always wanted Redick on the Celtics. Lopez is an excellent center but injury prone. Nash, although 38, probably has another 2-3 good years in him. He is playing out of his mind. If Rondo’s contract is for 3 more years, and we get better production from Nash during that time, then does Nash make sense? I would not rule a swap for Nash. It makes sense and the Big 3 would welcome him immediately.
Unlikely..
I don’t see Nash having this kind of production for years. We just learned that with shaq… If nash comes here – I see that situation all over again.
by RR_The_Future on Feb 22, 2012 10:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i should have added
the way i saw that trade for the celtics was in a ‘win now’ view. I thought that was the goal this year, to win banner number 18 or whatever. I agree long term its not a great trade, although jj redick and robin lopez are two complimentary players you could keep long term.
Nash is still playing like a h.o.f. but he probably wont last much longer in the nba than the big 3. But it will make this team a contender for this year….if only for this year….
nash/moore
ray/jj
pierce/pietrus
bass/jajuan
lopez/wilcox
you would also have about 48 million dollars coming off the books this off season, which means you should have enough money to sign a max free agent, or several very good free agents (and then possibly give some hometown discounts to the big 3 and maybe even nash)
To me thats not a bad deal at all
http://www.hoopsworld.com/2012-nba-free-agents
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by piccolomair on Feb 22, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Trade one prima donna for another?
I guess they don’t make too many of em like Rose or Durant. Too bad.
Too bad...
D-will is probably just as good as Rose just in different aspects. IE D-will shoots the 3 better and passes better. Rose just drives the lane better. I’d take D-will over that with the kind of team we have. Of course – rose can pass but I’d argue not as well as D-will.
by RR_The_Future on Feb 21, 2012 9:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
DWILL will likely go to Dallas.
1. He is from the area
2. Cuban will clear the space (already started in the off season)
3. Dallas is on Howard’s short list.
4. DWill and Howard would tear up the league with Dirk. DWill and Howard know it and this is their best chance for a ring or two.
I want to get creative
I just read something saying the Warriors officially want to make a trade before the deadline. Ellis is the most likely piece they’d move. I’M GETTING GREEDY HERE but… Pierce and our 2 first rounders for ellis. Rondo for Deron. KG and/or Ray for trade exceptions that will allow us to sign Dwight Howard. Resign Jeff Green. Rainbows!!!
Not a fan of trading Paul Pierce at all...
Yes, he’s been a bit inconsistent the past week but PP is still our loved Captain and I want to see him retire in Boston.
I’m more willing to trade Rajon Rondo and the other Big 2.
It would eliminate the defensive scheme of slacking off Rondo...
…That most teams are using now to slow down the Celtics since Deron is a better outside shooter. Right now the offense gets bogged down because of this scheme and Doc can’t see to come with a solution on his own.
I think as should take a good long look at sending bass pierce and rondo to LA for bynum. This is a great trade for them as they have a complete lineup by giving up one great player. The salaries don’t line up all that well but if we take Barnes back (expiring) and someone takes world peace then it works. Maybe world peace and Allen +picks go to Indiana for granger
by JuJuan some moore on Feb 21, 2012 9:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I would like to see Bynum wearing Celtic green....
considering he is one of the best centers in the NBA.
Bynum and Stiemsma as his back up I think would give the C’s a young, athletic, long and big center rotation for years to come which would be quite formidable.
Seems like a lot to give up
Just to get Bynum
Bass will be gone next year anyway so it’s basically pierce and rondo for Bynum and i think that’s what they would want in return. He’s a young star at the weakest position so it might be worth giving up more to get him
by JuJuan some moore on Feb 21, 2012 10:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So you would give up our future
And Pierce our life long Celtic and our best bench player who could certainly swoop in for sixth man for an injury prone center? I like Bynum and his game but this doesn’t address our scoring issue, and certainly makes it worse.
"Victory belongs to the most Preserving" - Napoleon
by RotB_MattR on Feb 21, 2012 11:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Too much to give up for Bynum...
And if Bynum gets injured (which is a good percentage of happening), then you massacre the Celtics’ chances of getting wins with Paul Pierce / Rondo / Bass gone.
Go for it HARD.
Been wanting to get rid of Rondo as well after that trade approximately one year ago!!
Whats green fellas?
Im finally on here for sum reason took a while. I dont know about the rest of you but this trade talk is pretty pathetic. What the hell happend to the days where we all rooted for our team and stuck with them no matter what. Im on this site just about everyday and its always the same whining. Get over it our team sucks right now. But to add my 2 cents in, I do think the RONDO D-WILL trade works best…………IF! we really do have to go there. What the hell happened to PRZBILLA??
100% How I feel..
On this blog. Which is why I rarely post unless I feel VERY compelled. This is one thing I feel is an okay trade If we have to.
by RR_The_Future on Feb 21, 2012 9:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah it does seem the most realistic right?
I know that a bunch of us can go on panic mode like a light switch but i have learned to deal with that a long time ago being the DIE-HARD RAIDERS FAN that I am.
So what would you like to see on a blog? If everyone posted some generic non opinionated post then it would be even more pointless. If everyone posted everything is fine keep it exactly as is then what’s the point?
by JuJuan some moore on Feb 21, 2012 10:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
How about..
Why things are going wrong? Encouragement for your team? Thoughts like.. Half the team is injuried these games don’t prove anything. How about the positives from a game. How about what other blogs do when -500. (I’ve checked some like the pistons or raptors) who focus on what they have? Rather then focus on what the green can do to tear up their team and win. That’s my thought of a supporting fan. Than again I’m no Ainge fan of blowing up anything and everything. Maybe that’s why I don’t fit in like you.
by RR_The_Future on Feb 21, 2012 10:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Fit in? I get in arguments all the time because I believe in making decisions to win next year even if that means sacrificing loyaltys. I think there are a lot of people who don’t want to watch this team struggle this year and dont want to just wait until next year when we have cap room. I think people expect to compete now and since we aren’t competitive then making a move seems to be the consensus and there’s nothing wrong with people thinking that. I don’t think your opinion is wrong I’m just saying rather than calling out other people just post your opinion and discuss with other people
by JuJuan some moore on Feb 21, 2012 10:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So lead by example?
The other poster simply posted his thoughts on loyalty to the team. You jumped on the calling out of a poster… Just sayin’ bud. Either way – yea we should be competing but in a season like this – you can’t expect anything. Last lock out, almost the only time an 8th seed made it all the way to the NBA finals. You can’t expect. Plus – how many games have we had our entire team? Those who expect a winning record and such should look to that before fearing how we are doing. It may be the obvious thing and sometimes that can be the answer.
by RR_The_Future on Feb 21, 2012 10:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He’s saying other peoples opinions are below his time and I’m saying instead of staying away because you don’t want to read it jump in and discuss your opinion
by JuJuan some moore on Feb 21, 2012 10:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Fair enough.
I didn’t read it as such. So now that i understamd better, I withdraw. Haha I get your point now and respectfully agree.
by RR_The_Future on Feb 21, 2012 10:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Joel Pryzibilla is rumored to be going to the Bulls...
I was hoping all last summer and this year the C’s could acquire him as I think he would of been a nice fit on the C’s.
Though it would of been nice to have Joel on the roster for more depth and insurance (especially considering JO s health) I have full confidence in the Steamer and think he can offer the C’s just what Joel could of (size, length and rebounding in the paint) and also provide more shot blocking, vertical lift and athleticism then Joel could provide.
Then was happens to Asik's playing time? Would that trade also affect Gibson's time?
With Noah, Aski and Gibson, I do not see how he adds anything they need. What the Bulls need is to get Rip and Rose healthy. They are already deep.
i don't see how this is anything other than a lateral move for the C's...
trading one superstar/questionable head case for another, one scores a little more the other distributes a little more, plus a huge gamble in the event DWill doesn’t sign here.
besides, since when has Dwight said it’s his preference to play with DWill? if you can find a quote, fine, but this sounds exactly like the nonsense that Dwight would never want to play in Boston, which he has basically already denied http://www.hoops-nation.com/dwight-howard-would-like-to-play-for-boston/
I’m not against it I just think it addresses nothing for the C’s.
You admitted..
It’d add scoring. Most people have a frustration with the inability for rondo to provide an outside presence. That would be solved with D-will.
For the record – I’m still not for a trade at all. I dont want to send rondo out at all but if Ainge has to, id say this scenario is an acceptable one.
by RR_The_Future on Feb 21, 2012 10:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
right but rondo makes up in other ways
he’s quicker, he’s better defensively, he’s a better distributor.. we have DWill hitting jumpshots but then we miss those things with Rondo.. plus DWill can shoot all he wants, if we don’t get someone to pair with him he’s jetting.. at least Rondo is under contract.
by JunkyardDawg on Feb 21, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
YES but only if Deron voids his opt out giving us 1.5 years with him.
I’m generally not in support of trading Rondo.
BUT IF we must, this is the trade we should make. And you could throw in O Neal to make salaries match.
Rondo would be a better deal for the Nets than Gasol.
by florida dodger on Feb 21, 2012 10:09 PM EST reply actions
Agree 100%
I think that’s been my attitude thus far. Glad to see another with it.
by RR_The_Future on Feb 21, 2012 10:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hmmmmm
I like rondo but unfortunatley hes the only piece we have that could get us anything in return. I would do this trade, but not cuz im a rondo hater…its just the best move to get better. Sorry rondo
by Kgwillkillyou on Feb 21, 2012 10:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions
You know what would sting?
Boston trades Rondo to the Nets, and then D12 decides he really wants to play in Brooklyn. Watching Rondo + Howard together would kill.
Still, I think if there’s a chance to acquire Deron for not much more than Rondo, you have to do it.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
Yeah...
I know what you’re saying about Deron’s personality, but I think that Doc could handle him. If our two options are Deron + a better shot at Dwight, or the prospect of building around Rondo, I’m taking Door #1 every time.
Plus, it’s not like Rondo is the picture of locker room stability. We’ve heard stories of him clashing with coaches in college and the pros, he’s had a prickly relationship with his teammates at times, he loses his composure on the court, etc. If Doc was as tightly wound as Jerry Sloan, Rondo would have run him out of town, too. (I love Sloan, but he was as stubborn as they come. He would have murdered Rondo.)
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
+1
Despite my ambivalence about Ds Will and Howard, they could bring us back. Secure the extension then do it.
by Big_Easy on Feb 21, 2012 11:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
+2
Agree with your comment:
“If our two options are Deron + a better shot at Dwight, or the prospect of building around Rondo, I’m taking Door #1 every time”
Somme people seem like this a fantasy league in which character does not matter
Deron Williams helped bring down one of the greatest coaches in NBA history – Jerry Sloan. He then goes to NJ and immediately begins sulking because being a leader and helping rebuild a team is tough work and not much glory. He couldn’t stand that …no limelight, hard work, no DH.
The guy is EXACTLY what is wrong with young players in the NBA ….Talent only matters in fantasy league….character matters in real life.
Is it Soup Yet?
Outstanding posts Dwill ran off Jerry!
by Blackberry33 on Feb 21, 2012 11:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree - I'm not sold on Deron Williams for the same reason
Compared to Chris Paul or Derick Rose he doesn’t strike me as being nearly a high character kind of player. He doesn’t give the impression of a guy who’s all about hard work and sacrifice. Him teaming up with other superstars to me has more the feel of Carmelo Anthony joining the Knicks. Selfishly motivated superstars seeking the spotlight and trying to shortcut their way to a championship without understanding the level of commitment required of them.
I don’t claim to know the man personally and am obviously just speaking as an outside observer. He nonetheless strikes me as having a certain kind of aloofness about him. It’s not the Kobe Bryant style aloofness where he doesn’t care what people think of him and is infatuated with himself and wants to win at everything. It’s that self-infatuation but also the sense that at the end of the day he’d could be content as the guy who continually puts up great numbers on a bad team.
Agree. Let him annoy Cuban in Dallas.
Unless Doc is uninformed, he said yesterday he does not expect any major moves. Didn’t he and Ainge say that last year right before trading Perk?
It's not like Rondo is the example of stability
The guy is always fighting with the Big 3. Sometimes we’ve seen it on camera, sometimes we’ve known about it because of people like Woj. Don’t get me wrong, character matters, but the only teams in the NBA who have guys with great character are the Spurs and probably the Mavs. Everyone else have headcases on their teams and they figure it out. I’m not saying Deron is a perfect player, but let’s not act as if we had Mother Teresa playing for us.
only way id trade rondo is if williams signs and extension as part of the trade.
williams, pierce, jj, bass, bradley, moore would be the only pieces on the team next year so plenty of room and money for say howard and green
by craziness@analltimehigh on Feb 21, 2012 10:49 PM EST reply actions
Urgh, hell no.
Williams has a terrible attitude and makes excuses rather than playing hard and trying to do something about it.
There are lots of players that I dislike but would love to have play for us (Noah, Varejao, Wade), but he is one player that I would definitely not want on the Celtics.
Rondo is a Celtic, I can’t see Williams coming back and playing with only one good arm.
The guys you mentioned above...they're worse than Williams
Especially Wade…him and his dirty plays on Rondo last year. Hate that guy next to LeBron.
Varejao is just an annoying blob.
Worse as in Williams is a better player? Or worse as in more annoying?
I agree that Wade has done some dirty things, but he’s not the dirtiest player in the league by far.
Noah and Varejao shit me to no end when we play against them, but they are the kind of guys that I would like playing for us, especially in regards to hustle and rebounds.
I just could n’t see myself rooting for Williams, even if he did play for us.
by Aussie_Celtic on Feb 22, 2012 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
Hahahah worse as in annoying!
But of course, I dislike DWill’s ego as well.
But with the way the Celtics are playing…errrughhhh.
Haha, I think a big part of Noah and Varejao being annoying is the way they look!
Although Williams’ lego man hair annoys me too.
Williams’ eho is a big part of why I dislike him. Although Doc could probably deal with that, I still think he’d be a problem.
I admit the Celtics need scoring, but there are lots of other players I would prefer us to get.
Haha, true!
However, Williams is one player I just don’t think I could root for, even if he did play for us.
I’m the same with Kobe, Pau or Lebron. Even if we did somehow manage to get them there’s just no way I could cheer for them.
by Aussie_Celtic on Feb 22, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
I'd vote "NO" - unless ...
unless I am convinced that I can also get Howard and that D-Will is a necessary part of that. If that is the case, then sure. Go for it.
Otherwise, “NO”.
D-Will is a good player. But he is not worth the extra $$$ over Rondo. Rondo’s productivity over the last 3-4 years is slightly ahead of D-Will, he’s younger and a LOT cheaper.
NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.
agree'd
D.Will might be marginally better, a better shooter and worse defender but is that really worth so much extra $$? Both have perceived attitude issues. Chris Paul, absolutely. Deron Williams, not so much. People around here criticize Rondo’s defense, Williams cannot stay in front of anyone.
Unless it leads to Howard, which we cannot possibly know then I don’t do it.
by CelticsFanNC on Feb 22, 2012 7:43 AM EST up reply actions
I still see our best option is to rebuild with Rondo and Pierce on board. We have money to work with next season. Watching the Blazers and Nuggets this season made me think that you can be a contender with a big name player. Theres no assurance if we trade for DWill the nets aint winning and he wants out you guys think when we start rebuilding we are gonna be a contender? Might take a year or two and I dont see him as the guy having much patience.
by The green mamba on Feb 22, 2012 1:53 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I would say YES to this,
Deron could be this generation’s Dennis Johnson.
Is Deron better?
I doubt it. He is imo very good but not really great at anything. The main reason that he scores more than Rondo is that he has been groomed to be the go-to-guy (high usage rate). Rondo is only now growing into that role. Their TS% and eFG% are about the same (Rondo being more effective at the rim, Deron shooting better jumpers).
Deron turns the ball over more and has fewer assists, steals and rebounds. His defense is only so-so compared to Rondo’s.
by European NBA fan on Feb 22, 2012 6:26 AM EST reply actions
In doing that analysis, you've also got to look at the two rosters...
It’s tough getting assists when you’ve got no teammates that can consistently finish.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
Yeah - but it goes both ways
His scoring would probably go down with more efficient teammates.
by European NBA fan on Feb 22, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
Only thing id point out is you can’t compare assists. When D-will was with boozer, he had more. Right now D-will has no one to get those assists with. I’m not saying D-will is a better passer but his assists would surely go up as a Celtic.
by RR_The_Future on Feb 22, 2012 10:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Deron would make this team better than Rondo would.
The vote is yes.
Why a PG?
We need a center, period. And a good one. Why trading for a PG when we have no problems in the back court but a HUGE HOLE in the boards?
Because...
Then you have no point guard to run the offense other then bradly… Your production goes down to grab a few more boards… It’s like an even swap of sucking at one thing to now be a little better but suck more at something else.
by RR_The_Future on Feb 22, 2012 10:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Basically it boils down too. Do you want a pg that can defend or one who can shoot outside?
by The green mamba on Feb 22, 2012 11:32 AM EST via mobile reply actions
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