Chris Wilcox & JaJuan Johnson Should Get More Minutes
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It is widely recognized that we currently lack scoring presence in the low post. Also, that we struggle to rebound.
We probably don't have a thorough ongoing answer to these problems right now. But, we may have part of an answer.
I'd like to see more minutes for both Wilcox and JJ. Those guys bring athleticism and the ability to play vertically, virtues that we largely lack otherwise.
But how to get those minutes? Some brief thoughts:
- Wilcox should play the bulk of the minutes at the center. Oh, JO will start as long as he can, but he can't give you many minutes. And while he is strong and solid, he gives you nothing athletic or offensively. I'd play Wilcox a lot and lean towards him down the stretch, where he can make a difference inside as he did against NY.
- I love Bass. But, Bass does not provide vertical scoring. I'd increasingly work JJ in to balance the attack, depending on the situation. In some situations, especially if Bass isn't hitting the J, Johnson could provide what we need.
- I'd also like to see JJ at the 4 teamed with KG. That might be a pretty interesting combination!
The other thing to consider is JJ's future. Kudos to Danny for drafting TWO guys virtually ready to play in one draft! (Perhaps league GMs should rethink the tendency to dismiss 4 year college starters!) Every minute JJ plays now builds toward the future. I mean NEXT YEAR we're probably going to need a lot from JJ!
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Against some teams...
JJ will stuggle because he lacks bulk (and strength). But overall, I must say I am really excited by what I saw last game. Kid has a live body and he can obviously shoot the ball. I would defintely like to see him out there some more.
a line up like
Rondo/bradley/moore
Allen/pietrus/Dooling
pierce/JJJ/pavs/quis
KG/Bass/Wilcox
JO/Wilcox/Steamer
orsomething like that
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Doesn't seem quick enough to guard other small forwards
His natural position is the 4, just needs to bulk up.
Wilcox should be the starter in my opinion over JO, his last 2 weeks or so should’ve shown that.
by BudweiserCeltic on Feb 7, 2012 12:08 PM EST reply actions
I'd rather JO start
Only because he plays better D and it allows Wilcox to come off the bench to play some offense against a worn down number one center on a team or a second tier big
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by RotB_MattR on Feb 7, 2012 3:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wilcox
That was my feeling when they got him and the season finally started. I just don’t have that much confidence in JO.
Off the Bench
…JON might be better matched with what the other team throws out than starting, where he’s up against guys that have the edge in quickness and vertical.
"Celtics bring order and structure to a chaotic world"
Also this
JO and KG at the same time gives up too much athleticsim
"Celtics bring order and structure to a chaotic world"
yeah Id go with these guys. I can see that JJ may have troubles with d and Wilcox and KG have been inconsistent and Marquis may be able to get better and dooling has been injured and sasha has been pretty good…..but, Id do this:
c- JO 20, Wilcox 20, KG 8
f- KG 20, Bass 22, JJ 6
f- PP 33, Pietrus 13, Bass 2
G Ray 33 Pietrus 15
G Rondo 36 Bradley 12
Obviously I like Pietrus who is so good he really should be the primary back up for Ray and Paul. Rondo needs to not play in the 40’s. If nothing else, Bradley provides chaos in most games. You want instigators. And yes, Wilcox and JJ should get more minutes and somewhat less for JO which will help him play as much quality as he can give hopefully
Not bad, but I don't see the point of slotting Bass those 2 minutes at SF
I’d just as soon give those 2 minutes to Pietrus or even Pavs.
I’d also like to see JJ get at least 8 minutes whenever he appears in a game, just to make sure he gets a chance to really get into the flow. He can be a point-a-minute kinda guy if we use him right. But he can’t be expected to be efficient if he’s yanked on and off the court in short bursts.
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those Bass minutes were just to play with a bigger lineup like JO KG Bass Pietrus Rondo or some such thing
Id love to see a spread the floor one of KG JJ PP Pietrus Ray JUST AS AN EXPERIMENT for short times against a team that can’t press at all
agree
RA/RR/PP will have to play those minutes because they would run the plays for whatever squad is on the floor.
Looking at this squad, we have some great ‘around the basket’ finishers. Just wish we finished much better but I’m sure that will get better
I'm floating this idea around, even though I'm not really for it
Dooling to the Clips for Reggie Lewis. With Chauncy out and K-Mart in they’d probably bite, but should we? I say no, but theoretically what do you guys think?
by redbridge13 on Feb 7, 2012 12:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions
And Chauncey*
Can I get a do-over on that post?
by redbridge13 on Feb 7, 2012 2:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hard to get more minutes for both
I think you get more minutes for Wilcox by reducing the number of minutes that KG plays center, but you get more minutes for Johnson by shifting more of KG’s minutes from PF to C.
Bass & JJ -- Balance
I guess what I am proposing is balancing the Bass minutes more with JJ.
Again, this is not because Bass sucks. It’s because he offers more of what we already have on the O end: jump shots.
In spots, we need a change of pace to break the ice and get the O flowing again.
Now, maybe JJ can’t really do that much. I think he’s worth a try, but if he and Wilcox can;t shake things up on the offensive end, my conviction is that our defense will, once again, be nowhere near enough.
You have to keep scoring. And to do that, you need to score inside. Outside of JJ and Wilcox, who can do that?
bass
hes been big time this year im not in for cutting his minutes because all of our players are jump shooters. jj is a jump shooter say if your gonna cut minutes i’d prefer bass get his shots in. sure hes a had a few bad games but he was the man untill pp stepped up.
I don't get this at all...
We need more scoring, so you want to cut back on Bass’s minutes? He’s been one of the only consistent scorers on the team. JuJuan has played well in two straight appearances, but I see no evidence he’s a more effective scorer than the two people ahead of him (Bass & KG). If you want to go for scoring, play Etwan rather than AB, but as far as I’m concerned I’d rather the D, and don’t think we should fix it if it ain’t broke. That’s just me…
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Some people are mentally inflexible
And think that a certain percentage of scoring has to come from the low post. They have problems with anything that deviates greatly from their Platonic ideal form of what basketball should look like. They’ll accept it if the team is doing well, but panic when the team runs into problems.
In only 1.4 minutes on the floor?
That is impressive!
;-)
The point was scoring inside.
As I say, I love Bass in a general sense.
But he is a jump shooter. He struggles to score inside.
Now, I am not saying that JJ is the 21nd coming of Kevin McHale.
I am saying that he and Wilcox offer a kind of vertical athleticism that can change the pace of the game and score points in the paint.
How often do we see the C offense degenerate into an endless string of missed jumpers? Bass is a fine addition, but he does not change the plot. He will shoot J’s.
We settle for J’s because we don’t have a true low post scoring option. Neither JJ nor Wilcox are guys you just dump the ball into down low. But both can move and leap and hit the O glass. They are showing that they can change the pace and help us break through the frigid stretches when no one can hit a J. We need that pretty desperately.
The last 2 years, we failed to win rings largely because our J-oriented offense went south so often for long stretches of time. If we don’t find some alternative ways of scoring, we are going to come up short again.
JJ and Wilcox are the closest thing to athletic, inside scoring that we have. Let’s develop them.
but JJ isn't a banger either
Johnson isn’t a low post scorer, he’s a high-post, turnaround-jump-shot scorer. You’re only going to see him in the paint on pick and rolls or big defensive breakdowns. He doesn’t set up in the low post- he’d just get bounced out.
Bass can actually set up down low or back people down and then go to that hook shot.
You're right!
JJ is not a banger.
He is athletic and vertical. When he has played, he has shown that he can free up inside and score some easy hoops.
As I have noted several times in the thread, we do not have a true low post option. Neither JJ nor Wilcox is an Al Jefferson type.
But they ARE quick, athletic, and tall enough to mix things up inside. Sometimes, that means getting on the O glass. Doc said Wilcox was the difference against NY and I think he meant because of some key put backs. Other times, it’s just moving enough to get the ball inside and to be able to do something with it.
JJ had several dunks the other night. Well, who else does that in the 1/2 court? Occasionally, Paul. Rarely, KG. Bass can’t finish inside any better than Baby could. JO has no explosiveness any more. Stiemsma?
Remember my point— we DO NOT HAVE true low post options now.
The closest thing we do have, I think, is the athleticism and verticality of JJ and Wilcox. Solet’s use it for what it’s worth.
There aren't that many true low post options anymore
JJJ and Chris Wilcox no matter how much you develop them will not become low post options. JJJ is a shooting bigman that uses his quickness. Wilcox is undersized and scores because of hustle (putbacks, outrunning other bigs) and also quickness.
Please see my qualifying posts.
JJ and Wilcox are NOT true low post options. I have said that.
They are as close as we can get with our roster. And their athleticism can mix things up.
I have to disagree about Chris Wilcox.
Wilcox is not well known to a lot of fans here because he has played on such bad teams. But his one biggest strength actually IS his ability to score in close. That’s been what has kept him in the league all these years. He is a 70% finisher at the rim for his career.
We need to get the ball in his hands near the post more often. We’ve finally started to do that a little more these last few games.
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Would you trade for bynum?
We have a need at center and for some reason the lakers don’t seem to want Bynum so would you trade rondo bass and Bradley for Bynum and collison? We would send rondo and bradley to Indiana and they would send granger and we would send bass to LA and they send DC to us. Then we could send dooling steinsma and 2 second round pick to Charlotte for Augustine
DC/Augustine
Allen/Moore
Pierce
KG/Wilcox/JJ
Bynum/oneal
Another player that may be available and cheap is Marion the Lebron killer. The mavs need to clear cap space so they might give him away
by JuJuan some moore on Feb 7, 2012 6:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions
To me, JJJ's biggest strength on offense...
… right now (according to one feature) is that he’s so athletic he just runs up and down the floor like crazy and therefore A) runs his defender into the ground, and B) Creates opportunities to finish on a fast break. That right there seems to be a great benefit. Throw in a nice mid-range jumper, and I love it until he fills out and learns more post moves. He’s a project, sure, but I like the idea of giving him more minutes to create havoc on defense and again, run defenders to exhaustion.
I think that
Doc should continue to play his best players that give us the best chance to win. I would also like to see more JJ and Wilcox, but not at the expense of the better players and combinations that already exist.
It’s always interesting that most fans think they have better insight as to proper rotations than Doc.
"Chemistry is something that you don't just throw in a frying pan and mix it up with another something and throw something on top of that and then fry it up and put in a tortilla and put it in microwave, heat it up, give it to you and expect it to taste good. You know? If y'all don't know what I'm talking about then you can't cook and this doesn't concern you."
by KGHurtYourFeelings on Feb 8, 2012 12:53 PM EST reply actions

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