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what happened, what will happen

so every one is giving there opinions, views, and thoughts..so here is mine. Marquis Daniels, what happened to you? sorry quis but i think you are now on the DNP-CD list unless there is another injury to a wing player. and sadly for you, that puts you in the 'could be traded list also.

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here is a list of things i see happening or think should happen. A. Rondo finishes the season in boston. --Ainge tried to move him for chris paul, and would probably do the same if it ment boston gets back - westbrook, rose, williams or paul in return. and those teams are not giving up those players. --it wouldnt make sense to move him for anyone off that list cause rondo and pierce are the only chips they have moving forward, and if the celtics want to land a howard or who ever in the next few years, they need 3 things.. 1. a coach players want to play for. 2. a gm/ownership team that will bring in the players needed to win. 3. some one to play with that can either score or get them the ball. and the celtics have all three of those options if rondo/pierce/doc/danny are here. B. Wilcox earns the starters role.. --he is the celtics version of anderson varejao (a cheap version, with out the hair or hustle) But he can do the same things varejao can. rebound, deffend bigs and run at a decent pace. once his body catches up to him. he should start playing more than JO and even bass at times. C. there will be 2 maybe 3 trades at or around the deadline. --but none involve the big 4. players like daniels & dooling, who at the begining of the season had big roles on the team. have either lost those roles due to injury or that another player has stepped up to do a good enough job for ainge to make a move. combined dooling & daniels make around 3 million. so every one can start trade offers now.. another trade possibilty is JO going somewhere. with johnson and wilcox seemingly ready JO almost isnt fully needed. so his expiring deal and hieght could interest a team trying to add depth..think okc last deadline. i'm sure indy wouldnt mind JO if it didnt cost them a key player in return, giving them depth and a safety net for hibbert if he gets in foul trouble. (used them cause they have cap space).. D. Ainge has a move that he is thinking of the future. --the problem with trading JO is the celtics lose depth and hieght. so this trade is only possible if they feel like they would need a lot of help to make it past miami or chicago and it would make sense to move JO for another second round pick. (thats about his value, but not why the celtics make the move) with an eye towards next year. they can then focus on signing one of the nba players playing in china, players like smith or a guy no one has ever heard or off. wilson chandler? giving the celtics the 'rights' to chandler, green, bradley, moore, johnson, rondo & pierce in this next offseason. and at this point if wilcox, bass, kg, johnson and stiemsma can hold the fourt at the 4 and 5. chandler could be usefull along with pietrus off the bench, backing up pierce and ray. letting moore and bradley back up rondo. and continuing to earn the spot. wether its playing D or hitting open jump shots. --ainge shocked every one when he traded perk last year, but he thought shaq and jo were ready and would be healthy to compete. if aing feels the same towards JO this year. he could do a deal like this with next few years in mind again, just like the perk trade. E. it doesnt make sense that the celtics would keep both first round picks. doc doesnt play rookies often enough, good or bad. i dont know, i'm not watching practices. but he doesnt play rookies. (my thoughts are doc makes them earn minutes, and develope, and i'm ok with it cause of his track record.. he helped mold rondo, perk,davis, powe. look how much (your beloved) leon has done since leaving doc and the celtics) -- so i can see danny moving 1 if not both on trade night. if he has a player in mind, terrance jones, kris joseph etc.. and he doesnt fall to the celtics danny will most likely move the pick ala the trade for ray allen in the 07 draft. getting a veteran player in return. wether its ray allen talent level, i dont know. but i think that is what danny has in mind. and finally people need to understand things. the two most important positions in basketball are PG & C. --kg has played more minutes at center this year than in years past here. played pf for the first part of this season then doc starting using him at center, coaching adjustment, and the teams D and Offense got better. a great talent at center can be more of an annoyance than a great sf. cause of his shot blocking and rebounding. and if the celtics have a 1% chance of getting that center. then they should try. and right now the most attractive pieces moving forward are there you first PG. and the money they will have to spend on the correct role players to surround this c/pg combo. dont compare orlando to boston.. orlando has never had the run style with howard. they have never had a talent at pg of a rondo. or at sf like pierce. to answer who they could get to surround howard/rondo/pierce. here is my list of cheap players that cand fit.. A. Morrow, SG/SF only paid 4 million. and with howard in boston it would most likely spell the end of williams in NJ/brooklyn. meaning they would probably be ok with unloading morrow for a draft pick. C. Lee, under-rated player. SG, can deffend and shoot. will most likely will be cheap. still young. has playoff time under his belt (in orlando).. could leave enough money to go after another player or resign a HOF caliber shooter.. and lee could play along side bradley & moore pretty easily in my mind. R. Butler, very good shooting SF. probably wouldn't cost much either. but with green, chandler (see my D explanation), pierce already on the roster butler could be used as the ace shooter when need at the end of games, the way house was used. V. Radmonovic, PF.. doesnt play D a lot but with howard behind him. it could help out radmon and fit into a robert horry mold with shaq. hit open shoots play D as best you can. R. Turiaf, PF/C ..i have never been a huge fan of his but he along with resigning wilcox could be issues for other teams bench players. run the floor, rebound for the shooters, get second chance points.. i left out PG help cause rondo, bradley & moore seem to have locked up that spot..unless one is move. put those players along side pierce, rondo, howard and you can create miss matches. and open lanes when running the court. "well that won't work" = its helped ray out the past 3 years..how many open 3 pointers has he had cause he is the trailer when rondo runs the break? "who guards lebron or kobe?" =no one has learned how to completely shut down lebron, kobe, wade so to bring up who guards kobe or the other elite players seems odd to me. its like saying the jazz shouldnt have brought in jeff hornacek cause he cant guard MJ. well no one can, so lets build a team using the pieces miami doesnt have. make bosh or anthony guard howard down low all night and not allow wade to rome cause the 3 point shooter he leaves will hit the open shot.. "Well teams will use the pg to double team howard" = wow, good call, i hope rondo and doc have enough basketball iq to help that situation out.. like cut to the basket. final question, name the best centers in the league than say who controls the matchups between them? howard, bynum, jordan, hibbert.... howard is the dominant center, maybe bynum but howards numbers vs bynum are a bit lop sided towards howard. so miami doesnt have any of those names, chicago doesnt either. so for anyone wondering why boston would want howard on the team, thats why. miami and chicago would not have an answer for howard. and miami cant guard rondo with out putting there star guard on him. which tires wade out.

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to long for me to even read..

..i forgot how the new set-up just mashes everything together.. either way. good luck reading it.

by jdunn123 on Feb 7, 2012 7:13 PM EST reply actions  

Holy crap where did the paragraphs go?

I’m sure you have good points, but this is way too bunched up and there’s way too much for me (or really anyone) to read.

Can you give us a tl;dr version?

by muckduck on Feb 7, 2012 8:11 PM EST reply actions  

Dude

Have you ever heard of capital leters at the beggining of sentences? Paragraphs? Grammar?

I’m not even gonna try to read it.

I don't follow rules, I let the rules follow me.

by relja111 on Feb 7, 2012 9:06 PM EST reply actions  

part 1.

here is a list of things i see happening or think should happen.

A. Rondo finishes the season in boston.

—Ainge tried to move him for chris paul, and would probably do the same if it ment boston gets back -westbrook, rose, williams or paul in return. and those teams are not giving up those players. —it wouldnt make sense to move him for anyone off that list cause rondo and pierce are the only chips they have moving forward, and if the celtics want to land a howard or who ever in the next few years, they need 3 things..
1. a coach players want to play for.
2. a gm/ownership team that will bring in the players needed to win.
3. some one to play with that can either score or get them the ball.
and the celtics have all three of those options if rondo/pierce/ doc/danny are here.

B. Wilcox earns the starters role..
—he is the celtics version of anderson varejao (a cheap version, with out the hair or hustle) But he can do the same things varejao can. rebound, deffend bigs and run at a decent pace. once his body catches up to him. he should start playing more than JO and even bass at times.

C. there will be 2 maybe 3 trades at or around the deadline.

—but none involve the big 4. players like daniels & dooling, who at the begining of the season had big roles on the team. have either lost those roles due to injury or that another player has stepped up to do a good enough job for ainge to make a move. combined dooling & daniels make around 3 million. so every one can start trade offers now.. another trade possibilty is JO going somewhere. with johnson and wilcox seemingly ready JO almost isnt fully needed. so his expiring deal and hieght could interest a team trying to add depth..think okc last deadline. i’m sure indy wouldnt mind JO if it didnt cost them a key player in return, giving them depth and a safety net for hibbert if he gets in foul trouble. (used them cause they have cap space)..

D. Ainge has a move that he is thinking of the future.

—the problem with trading JO is the celtics lose depth and hieght. so this trade is only possible if they feel like they would need a lot of help to make it past miami or chicago and it would make sense to move JO for another second round pick. (thats about his value, but not why the celtics make the move) with an eye towards next year. they can then focus on signing one of the nba players playing in china, players like smith or a guy no one has ever heard or off. wilson chandler? giving the celtics the ‘rights’ to chandler, green, bradley, moore, johnson, rondo & pierce in this next offseason. and at this point if wilcox, bass, kg, johnson and stiemsma can hold the fourt at the 4 and 5. chandler could be usefull along with pietrus off the bench, backing up pierce and ray. letting moore and bradley back up rondo. and continuing to earn the spot. wether its playing D or hitting open jump shots. —ainge shocked every one when he traded perk last year, but he thought shaq and jo were ready and would be healthy to compete. if aing feels the same towards JO this year. he could do a deal like this with next few years in mind again, just like the perk trade.

E. it doesnt make sense that the celtics would keep both first round picks. doc doesnt play rookies often enough, good or bad. i dont know, i’m not watching practices. but he doesnt play rookies. (my thoughts are doc makes them earn minutes, and develope, and i’m ok with it cause of his track record.. he helped mold rondo, perk,davis, powe. look how much (your beloved) leon has done since leaving doc and the celtics)

—so i can see danny moving 1 if not both on trade night. if he has a player in mind, terrance jones, kris joseph etc.. and he doesnt fall to the celtics danny will most likely move the pick ala the trade for ray allen in the 07 draft. getting a veteran player in return. wether its ray allen talent level, i dont know. but i think that is what danny has in mind.

and finally people need to understand things. the two most important positions in basketball are PG & C.

—kg has played more minutes at center this year than in years past here. played pf for the first part of this season then doc starting using him at center, coaching adjustment, and the teams D and Offense got better. a great talent at center can be more of an annoyance than a great sf. cause of his shot blocking and rebounding. and if the celtics have a 1% chance of getting that center. then they should try. and right now the most attractive pieces moving forward are there you first PG. and the money they will have to spend on the correct role players to surround this c/pg combo. dont compare orlando to boston.. orlando has never had the run style with howard. they have never had a talent at pg of a rondo. or at sf like pierce. to answer who they could get to surround howard/rondo/ pierce. here is my list of cheap players that cand fit..

by jdunn123 on Feb 8, 2012 4:30 AM EST reply actions  

part 2

A. Morrow, SG/SF only paid 4 million. and with howard in boston it would most likely spell the end of williams in NJ/brooklyn. meaning they would probably be ok with unloading morrow for a draft pick.

C. Lee, under-rated player. SG, can deffend and shoot. will most likely will be cheap. still young. has playoff time under his belt (in orlando).. could leave enough money to go after another player or resign a HOF caliber shooter.. and lee could play along side bradley & moore pretty easily in my mind.

R. Butler, very good shooting SF. probably wouldn’t cost much either. but with green, chandler (see my D explanation), pierce already on the roster butler could be used as the ace shooter when need at the end of games, the way house was used.

V. Radmonovic, PF.. doesnt play D a lot but with howard behind him. it could help out radmon and fit into a robert horry mold with shaq. hit open shoots play D as best you can.

R. Turiaf, PF/C ..i have never been a huge fan of his but he along with resigning wilcox could be issues for other teams bench players. run the floor, rebound for the shooters, get second chance points..

i left out PG help cause rondo, bradley & moore seem to have locked up that spot..unless one is move.

put those players along side pierce, rondo, howard and you can create miss matches. and open lanes when running the court.

“well that won’t work” = its helped ray out the past 3 years..how many open 3 pointers has he had cause he is the trailer when rondo runs the break?

“who guards lebron or kobe?” =no one has learned how to completely shut down lebron, kobe, wade so to bring up who guards kobe or the other elite players seems odd to me. its like saying the jazz shouldnt have brought in jeff hornacek cause he cant guard MJ. well no one can, so lets build a team using the pieces miami doesnt have. make bosh or anthony guard howard down low all night and not allow wade to rome cause the 3 point shooter he leaves will hit the open shot..

“Well teams will use the pg to double team howard” = wow, good call, i hope rondo and doc have enough basketball iq to help that situation out.. like cut to the basket.

final question, name the best centers in the league than say who controls the matchups between them? howard, bynum, jordan, hibbert…. howard is the dominant center, maybe bynum but howards numbers vs bynum are a bit lop sided towards howard.

so miami doesnt have any of those names, chicago doesnt either. so for anyone wondering why boston would want howard on the team, thats why. miami and chicago would not have an answer for howard. and miami cant guard rondo with out putting there star guard on him. which tires wade out.

by jdunn123 on Feb 8, 2012 4:37 AM EST reply actions  

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