Where There's Smoke, There's Another Michael Beasley Rumor
by wjsy on Mar 1, 2012 12:32 PM EST
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PrintNow that it's March 1st, we're going to be playing whack-a-mole with these rumors over the next two weeks. Sam Amico is the driving force behind the rumor that would send Michael Beasley to the Celtics for Jermaine O'Neal and his expiring contract. He claims:
Minnesota is dangling Beasley to see what else they can get, but I'd be surprised if this wasn't the deal they eventually made by the (March 15) trading deadline. The Celtics, of course, would love it.
"Love it?" I'm skeptical. First of all, why would Minnesota consider this? I understand that Beasley has had his off court issues and on the court, the ball seems to stop in Adelman's motion offense when it touches his hands, but he's still 23. Minnesota has the option to pick up another year on his contract, too. Why not wait out the season and just cut him in the summer?
I have to respectfully disagree with my CelticsBlog colleague.
For Boston, I understand the gamble. Jermaine O'Neal's wrist injury must be worse than they're reporting, but if he can give us anything down the stretch, I say we keep him. I'm a big fan of loyalty and Jermaine has worked so hard to get himself back on the court and to cut him loose now is just bad karma.
I get the allure of Beasley; he was a second overall pick in 2008 and he's the type of player that you want to surround Rajon Rondo with. However, he's the kind of knucklehead that Danny has acquired every trading season since 2008. I'd rather not roll the dice on another Nate Robinson or Stephon Marbury. Also, Beasley's qualifying offer for next season is $8+ million. I'd rather save that cash and spend it on Jeff Green.
And for what it's worth, the Lakers rejected an offer to get him already. The idea of what's not good enough for the Lakers is good enough for the Celtics makes me sick to my stomach.
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Beasley has a QO, not a TO for next year.
He’s also 23, not 24.
And allegedly, the lakers rejected the offer for money reasons but there were reports that they’ve been trying to acquire him for awhile. It had nothing to do with the fact that “he’s not good enough to be a Laker”
You just got Rondo'd
by RJ87 on Mar 1, 2012 12:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions
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Thanks. I changed his age and the team option. But a qualifying offer might be worse. That just means that the price tag could actually be higher.
For the Lakers, there’s no such thing as a money reason. They’ll go over the luxury tax freely and willingly.
My biggest concern is the character issue. I love Doc and I think he can whip almost anybody into shape, but he shouldn’t be walking up hill all the time. For the first time in five years, Danny hasn’t saddled him with any big personalities that he has to try and make fit.
Jim Buss taking the reigns from the Lakers + the CBA penalties for luxury tax teams really kicking in this offseason means they probably are trying to watch what they spend
I’d take Beasley in a heartbeat – esp if all we’re giving up is JO. Loyalty is fine, but keeping the corpse of JO doesn’t help us now or in the future.
You just got Rondo'd
by RJ87 on Mar 1, 2012 12:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Lakers
I know what they’re situation is. They have the lowest production from their small forward position in the league and they’re looking to fill that trade exception. In both cases, the Celtics and Lakers would be giving up relatively nothing when it comes to acquiring O’Neal. All I’m saying is, the Lakers can publicly say that it was a financial decision, but behind closed doors, I’m sure they have the same reservations that I have. Beasley isn’t a character guy.
Possibly true.
It also could be somewhere inbetween.
Like, they don’t care about the money, but when it comes to spending the money for a questionable character, it’s not worth it.
So it’s not just the money, but what you’re getting for that money. In other words, “We like Beasley’s talent, but he’s not worth almost 13mil.”
educate me
Why is Beasley’s expiring contract less desirable than JO’s expiring contract? Or is JO actually of value to Minnesota?
My guess is we'd prob have to cough up a pick as well
More than likely, the top-10 protected Clippers pick we have from the Perk deal. I have no problem doing that as Beasley has more talent than any player we’re likely to get in that range (prob somewhere in the 20’s)
You just got Rondo'd
by RJ87 on Mar 1, 2012 12:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Playing time
Minnesota wants to give Berrick Williams more playing time and Beasley is taking his time.
by qwerty112010 on Mar 1, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
He's also reportedly been a bit of a locker room problem.
Ya know, just the usual.
So ya, remove a headache for the Coach, give more playing time to Williams. Those are the reasons. Anything they can bring in while doing that, is just gravy.
What locker room issue? He isn’t a locker room distraction by any means.
Actual criticisms include the fact that he’s a ball stopper, loves that so-so jumper, and is a one-dimensional albeit talented player. He’s never been a problem on court or off court. He got caught with marijuana, is there anything even remotely wrong with that?
Being in the NBA is stressful and handling that stress by smoking during the offseason or even during the season isn’t a bad thing.
It's not that Beasley wasn't good enough for the Lakers
I’ve heard it reported that they either didn’t want to add to their luxury tax payment, or didn’t want to give up a first-round pick Minny was asking for, or both.
by rocknrollforyoursoul on Mar 1, 2012 12:45 PM EST reply actions
Money isn't an issue for the Lakers.
And they don’t use their picks.
You're wrong.
Multiple outlets have already reported that that was the exact reason they didn’t do the deal.
They already have the highest payroll in the NBA, at about 88 million. If they took on Beasley into their Odom trade exception, they’d be paying dollar for dollar, or an extra 12.8 mil this year. That’s why they didn’t do it, they didn’t think Beasley was worth that big of a hit.
No, it was the money...
That’s being reported by numerous sources.
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money isn't an issue
money is the main reason why the lakers didn’t accept the trade for beasley
This is a NO BRAINER
JO is useless at this point and Beasley is young and talented. Zero risk. Kid can stroke it.
There's a risk.
With the team finally building chemistry, trading JO could have the same ripple effect that trading Perk did. Oh yeah, and it’s MICHAEL BEASLEY!
Are we building chemistry? With all the trade rumors swirling, I really wonder how comfortable guys are feeling.
I say, roll the dice with Beasley – maybe with a change of scenery and some vets around, he becomes a building block for the future. We’re at a crossroads right now as to the future direction of this team. This is the time to take a risk.
You just got Rondo'd
by RJ87 on Mar 1, 2012 1:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What chemistry?
Besides even with this chemistry do you really think this roster can succeed in the playoffs? I’m not talking about a championship but simply being good enough to even be second round fodder?
Kevin Garnett is a shell of himself, a productive shell but that knee injury accelerated his decline by a few years. Paul Pierce is no where close to being the player he was last year. Ray Allen is about as good as he was last year.
Contrary to popular belief, Rondo has improved. He’s more aggressive and looking to score which is what this team needs, the decrease in assists has more to do with a decline in the supporting cast, his defense is lazier and he gambles a lot more but it isn’t as excessive as people claim, and his rebounding is as usual pretty good.
Bass is a better offensive player and way more mature than Big Baby, but he’s definitely a worse team defender. We have no more depth at the pivot. Our backup guards haven’t produced much.
This team is, right now, playing horribly or underwhelming at best. You take that chance by dealing an afterthought for someone who could and should at least help a weakness (scoring).
And you know that ... how?
“this team does not have anything in terms of affection towards JO "
Seriously – can you back that up?
I’m not saying it is NOT true. But I don’t see any reason to believe that it IS true.
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so ... nothing?
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Which means exactly .... squat.
Whether they’d cry or not (something you have ZERO knowledge about) is pretty much irrelevant as to whether they have affection for him.
Personally, I’d trade JO in a heartbeat for the right deal.
I’m just not convinced Beasley for “JO +picks” or “JO + JJ” – which are the two deals I’m hearing people propose – are the right deal.
This team needs length that can provide minutes in the big-man rotation, not another one-dimensional scoring forward.
And giving up a pick or JJ is a pretty harsh hit on the future.
While I’d give up a little future for something that looks like a big boost for our present day chances, I just don’t see Beasley as that boost. And I just don’t like him enough as a long-term gain either. He’s arguably more athletic and a better scorer than either Green or JJ, but he’s not the defender that either Green is or JJ projects to be and in total value seems redundant with things we already have.
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I'd throw JO+the lesser of two 1st round picks this year.
In a heartbeat.
It’s likely to be the Clippers pick at this point, since they’ll probably end up with a better record.
So, yes I’d give up JO + a mid to late 20s first round for Beasley.
He’s got at least equal, if not far greater potential than anything you’re going to get with that pick anyway.
I'd rather trade that pick for length.
If there is not likely to be a big man at that range of the draft, then I’d rather package that pick with something else and go after length.
Between Pierce (who we have for two more years), Green & JJ, Beasely is redundant as a 3/4 with assets we already have control (or likely control) over.
Short term – we need length. Long term – we need length. Beasley is an interesting raw talent, but he’s not a fit for our needs so the only interest I would have in him is if I felt I could flip him for length.
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Green is a UFA.
And could end up costing even more than Beasley, who still is due a QO so you know the costs up front.
You don’t know what’s going to happen with Ray Allen, and Pierce could move to SG down the road if Allen doesn’t come back.
I might agree with you, I’d probably rather see Jeff Green fill that role that Beasley likely would. But that could be more expensive and there’s no guarantees you can get him.
I doubt Green will be able to command 8M+ coming off a lost season.
‘More likely he’ll have to take a ‘getting to know you again’ contract to build up his value.
It’s not unreasonable to hope that there is a loyalty factor now between him and the Celtics – after all, they basically saved his life.
If we get Beasley, I won’t consider it the end of the world. But I’m just saying that I don’t really see him as much of a great move in the direction we need to go.
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Maybe. But it still doesn't address what we really need.
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In a NY minute
C’s need firepower, and Beasley did avg 19 pts + with Minny and he has some length; KG could play more at center + there must be a serviceable center out there who can rebound.
I can’t tell if your faulty logic is an awkward attempt at a joke.
Just because Doc is willing to take J.O. out of the starting lineup doesn’t mean he has no affection for him. He’s said over and over how important he is for this team’s defense whenever he’s on the floor.
And where do you get that affection means that you just overlook a player’s faults and what the team needs? Affection doesn’t change the fact that J.O. hasn’t and really can’t be expected to contribute anywhere else but defense, which is why they should not start him.
Don’t speak or question a player’s injuries or the TEAM’S decision to sit him out when you clearly have no actual knowledge of the situation.
Agree and feel the Celtics do have tons of affection for JO based on their actions.
Why else would Danny have given an aging, inury prone player the full MLE for 2 seasons?
The Celtics desperately have needed an interior presence and keep hoping JO can fulfill that role on a consistent basis.
And Doc has called him the “training camp MVP” which is surely an affectionate term.
Quotes from the overrated Rajon Rondo -
I feel I’m the best at what I do, and that’s how I play it,"
"I’m the best, hands down. There’s no speculation. Not top three or top five, I’m the best."
"I’m not looking to be the best one year or to have people think you’re the best one year,’’ Rondo continued. "You’ve got to prove it every night. Every night somebody’s going to be gunning for that spot.’’
because ... Doc is conservative? Values JO more long term?
Would rather have JO ready for the Nets & Knicks?
Why on earth would a decision to rest him an extra day necessarily have anything to do with whether Doc holds ‘affection’ for him or not?
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Ya, it's not like Doc's never held a guy out just to be careful before.
Wait a minute…
He does that all the time!
Moving on now…
and it wasnt doc's choice last night.. JO had a boo-boo on his wrist so he couldnt go.
love that he keeps collecting those checks
Got a source?
Cause I’ve never read anywhere that JO said he couldn’t play. Everything I’ve heard was it was a mutual decision.
And again, that doesn't mean he refused to.
But was being honest about how his body felt, which is what every team wants from their players.
And both sides decided it wasn’t worth putting him out that at 70%.
I’m still waiting for you to make a point here.
the guy is a waste of 6 million dollars... theres the point...
any time there is a bump or bruise he asks out.. he took off the entire season last year but wanted everybody to love him because he came back to play 9 GAMES!! the guy is a joke and has been a joke going back to his indy days
Agree to disagree.
Thanks for sharing, you’re opinion.
doc told mike gorman that even before the injury he was thinking about pulling JO out of the starting lineup in favor of Bass..
i wasnt talking anything about an extra days rest
Probably true.
But I think that has more to do with Bass, and the fact that KG has look really good at the 5 lately. Than it does with JO’s (in)ability.
I also think there’s real value to JO in the second unit, where his defensive presence is needed more while KG is no on the floor.
I totally agree with that.
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Loyalty to JO?
Come on man. The guy is currently in the process of stealing $12 Mill from the Celtics. They owe him nothing. I’d be right there with you if we were talking about trading Pierce. But JO? Let him steal some money from Minne for a few months.
yeah the main reason we couldnt offer Perk a real contract extention.
W/O JO Perk would still be on the team and we may already have 18. I am all for supporting the players but JO your time to go is now
Jeffrey M Melhorn
That's not true, not even a little bit.
Perk’s contract had nothing to do with JO.
CBA rules allows only a 22mil max contract extension on his current deal (125% of current deal.) Which Perk, rightfully, thought he was worth more than.
Perk would have hit free agency without the extension, at which point DA could have used bird rights to resign him, but then he gets into a bidding war with other teams, and if he doesn’t want to pay the top dollar, he risks losing him for nothing.
So, JO had nothing to do with that whatsoever, and that is a complete falsehood.
+1
Perk was never going to be here this season, whether Danny traded him last deadline or not. And that had nothing to do with JO’s contract and everything to do with cap room after this season.
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so the 12-14 million that JO signed for
had nothing to do with the fact that we had no room in the cap? I am not sure how that worked
Jeffrey M Melhorn
and we lost him for what agian
we still have the clippers pick so it still maybe worth it. All I am saying if JO isnt eating 6.3 million a season our cap number would have been diffrent. I am also not saying that we would have won. All I am saying is that when this team is properly constructed it can be quite good and even without 100% perk, last years team would have had a better shot. no gimmies just a better shot. If we didnt sign JO and waited until Perk was back in January to make sure he was ok could we have signed him to the full MLE? Maybe we couldnt, I really dont know. Just seems like a whole waste of money for one player and another leaving cause he couldnt get paid. Life is never the simple or easy though is it
Jeffrey M Melhorn
Please get over the Perkins trade. It isn’t what stopped the Celtics from winning their 18th banner.
the word may have
may mean something else where you come from. Unless you have a magic way back machine to change the past you really dont know either. You may have an idea, or even an inkling but sure not the truth of something that never happened. Since you know it never happened.
Jeffrey M Melhorn
that's being optimistic
DA should move quickly on Beas before LA changes their minds; JO + a #2 works; then play KG more at center, and sign a serviceable center who rebounds
One of the Worst Starting Centers in the NBA
Maybe the worst…Consistently gets overpowered by anyone with even a hint of athleticism plus he’s fragile. At one point he was good, but that was a long time ago.
I love the way Doc keeps trying to boost this guy up….but he should have retired when his Heat contract was up.
Beasley another "chip"
for DA to package down the road (draft night?)
getting something for JO would be one of his better moves
Pretty Simple...
Minny want a first round pick for Beasley. Celtics can offer a pick, but the only way the deal can be completed is if they send back a player with a matching salary. JO is the perfect fit. He has a matching salary and his contract comes off the books this year. For the twolves a trade with LA would be the better option because they can get a first rounder without having to take back salary because of the trade exception LA has. LA nixed it though because they do not want to take on anymore salary
Yep, which is why they'll wait right up until the trade deadline.
To see if LA changes there minds, then pull the trigger with Boston if not.
Not much to lose with this deal
We have no chance against Miami or Chicago as it is so what do we have to lose? KG is a better option against most opposing centers and JO is injured half the time anyway. It’s essentially an expiring contract for an expiring contract and at least we’d get a chance to see how Beasley fits in Boston with Rondo and our system without having to commit to a long term contract. He’s young, athletic and a natural scorer and he’s played for two immature and bad teams so far, I think it’s worth a shot to see how he’d do surrounded by veterans.
Trading the current incarnation of JO will be no big loss
JO’s value is surely open to debate. He does provide great interior defense, a willingness to take charges and plays hard.
He has also been horrific offensively for the most part which has hurt a Celtics team which has enough problems scoring as it is. His constant injuries have also hurt the team in trying to develop a consistent rotation.
The relative worth of JO can be debated for sure, however I don’t see anyone here arguing that giving him the full MLE for two seasons has turned out to be a beneficial move for the Celtics…
Quotes from the overrated Rajon Rondo -
I feel I’m the best at what I do, and that’s how I play it,"
"I’m the best, hands down. There’s no speculation. Not top three or top five, I’m the best."
"I’m not looking to be the best one year or to have people think you’re the best one year,’’ Rondo continued. "You’ve got to prove it every night. Every night somebody’s going to be gunning for that spot.’’
I am wondering what the situation is with Jeff Green?
Do the celts still own any rights with him or he is now a totally unrestricted free agent? I would guess the later but have iirc read someone saying otherwise. Its probably too much to assume, but if Green could be close to the player he was and intends to resign with the team, I’d prefer him over Beasley’s 8M QO
They withdrew his QO, and forfeited their rights to him.
So no, he’s a UFA next year.
this is a joke right?
there is no way in HELL this trade will happen. for starters, the twolves dont have any need for jermaine AT ALL, im a twolves fan, and we are all in love with pekovich, and darko is a servicable back up. we would definetly trade beasley, but not for a player like jermaine, we need a SG, not ANOTHER big, between Love, Pek, derrick williams, michael beasley and a few others were fine,
by statue_left on Mar 1, 2012 4:40 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I'm not understanding the counter-argument...
What’s the risk? The team is currently headed nowhere. Picking up a young, talented asset for JO’s corpse is a good move, regardless of whether we ultimately decide to let Beasley walk. We’re not required to extend him a qualifying offer, and we can always sign and trade him. That’s more future value than you’ll get from JO.
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+1
It amazes me how frequently you win over with your logic. It remains, after all these comments, the most persuasive argument. I’d do JO and the Clippers pick; not sure what else of value like JJJ.
by Big_Easy on Mar 1, 2012 7:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
My Logic
It’s simple. Michael Beasley’s value has never been proven. He’s now struck out in two cities and even with the vets and Doc at the helm in Boston, I doubt he can carve out a role with over half the season gone. The odds just got steeper on the gamble you’re talking about. You’re also counting out the effect that trading a vet would do in the locker room. JO might not be as beloved as Perk, but he’s a veteran who has worked really hard to come back to provide for this team. Trading out a vet like that could be very detrimental. You’re right. The Celtics would probably have to include a draft pick from this upcoming draft. It’s widely accepted that this is one of the deepest draft classes in years, so having two picks is very advantageous. The Clipper pick might not be that high (I actually speculate that they’re not going to play as well as they did in the first half of the season) but it could be packaged so that we can move into the lottery. In terms of Beasley’s QO, it’s $8+ million. Let’s say he did pan out; do you really see the Celtics paying Beasley $8+ million? I’d rather spend that on Jeff Green and/or a player without the baggage.
the counter argument is that he is a cancer.
by statue_left on Mar 1, 2012 8:37 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
It was not the money, the lakers did not want to give up the first round pick. I’d bet that if any player not named Bynum, Bryant or Gasol was being traded for Beasley they would do it.they need both those picks to fill the holes they have at pg and the serious lack of depth on their bench.
by christopher.landers1 on Mar 2, 2012 12:05 AM EST reply actions
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